Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Reggie took one for Derrick.

He's been doing it Derrick's entire life.

Why do you act like you know so much about Derrick's personality and his family?

I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm genuinely curious.

Do you know him or his family directly or indirectly from someone else?

I don't sit at their home for Sunday dinner.

[hammel123]

Let's hope what comes out of this is some urgency. Make a move this summer, not some fictitious 2014 plan. Look at the best available player who can be had, even if it's expensive. In my mind, it's clearly Gordon, unless doctors veto the trade, Rose should contact his buddy and ask him to do his part to make this move happen. Gordon tried to recruit Rose to Illinois and now Rose should reciprocate. Unfortunately, we're stuck with Boozer for one more season, but with Gordon on board, the team can start building some continuity

[HomoSapien]

I mean, so what? It's LeBron James. That's like not calling Michael Jordan because you have Jeff Hornacek.

On top of that, even if you're not going to call LBJ, at least call Bosh and try and convince him why Chicago would be a good fit.

Your argument is a bit perplexing.

So for the FA period, you're saying "It's Lebron James!" and Deng is supposed to understand.

...yet now when Reggie is saying..."We're not as good as Lebron James!"...now that's supposed to hurt Deng's fragile, lived through civil war, psyche?

What is perplexing here to you? Derrick Rose is complaining about not having a talented team, yet he didn't actively help recruit talented players when the Chicago Bulls had its best chance at attaining them. Instead, he had his brothers publicly call out the team during a point in the season when absolutely nothing could be done about it. I don't mind him asking for a more talented team publicly at all. How he did it was handled incredibly poorly.

[pduh01]

Maybe Reggie Rose reads Real GM........he sure sounds like a poster if ya ask me.

Damn I was hoping no one is going to find out...

I'm confess I'm Reggie Rose!

[Wingy]

When's the right time?

How do we know they haven't already done it the "right" way behind closed doors?

I have a very hard time seeing Gar and Pax being visited by their superstar and basically the entire franchise at the moment, hear him state his problems and demands change, and completely ignore him buy not making a change whatsoever.

This is Derrick Rose, I just can't see a guy like him having his demands ignored.

Agreed. Timing is everything. Again, he could have said this when we gave up the bench mob which would have made sense, he could have said this in advance of the deadline, or he could have waited till the off-season.

....and yet none of you guys answer the 2nd question. You assume they didn't do all that...but there's absolutely no proof that they didn't either. Jerry can say, "yeah, yeah, GarPax is doin' their best...we're working on it...have faith"...repeat line ad nauseum without actually giving GarPax the leash to be able to do anything.

[GetBuLLish]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if things transpired like this:

For months (even stretching into the offseason), Rose and his camp were imploring the Bulls FO to upgrade the team. Time and time again, they saw (like many fans saw, sans the ones in my sig) the FO do the exact opposite. They continued to implore the FO to upgrade up until the deadline. Not only did they see the FO not do this, but every rumor they heard (like all of us heard) involved the Bulls cutting salary. At this point, Rose and Co. were pissed. Rose knows he's coming back but he's pissed that the organization isn't giving its all into winning. So he says to himself, I'm coming back but I want to let the FO know that I'm not happy with what they've done. Speaking privately to them clearly hasn't worked, so it's time to go public. So he tells Reggie to go for it.

That honestly seems like the likeliest explanation. And I have absolutely no problem with it. Maybe they could have gone about it differently or at a different time, but that's nit picking. And the situation wouldn't have presented itself if the FO didn't behave like a mid-market team.

[WinCity]

Very well put. Its alarming to see people turn against Derrick when all Reggie did was express a sentiment shared by many here i.e. JR behaves like he has a small market team.

I'll never understand the mentality of "consequences be damned, as long as someone says/does something that supports my personal view, it's all good!"

Simply put I dont see the grave consequences you do. The Bulls arent winning anything this year anyway. Rose can distance himself from Reggie and be spared the backlash, but the message is sent to the FO. Its a good thing IMO.

[League Circles]

If this is an issue for DERRICK Rose, wouldn't he and BJ have negotiated the early opt out that is par for the course in his deal?

This story basically runs like this:

1) Reggie says some ****

2) Derrick is not known to ever have believed these same things, and instead there are MANY public comments to indicate he likely doesn't feel this way

3) yet, because they're related and Derrick pays for Reggie's food and shelter, it's inconceivable that they disagree. Because we all agree with all of our family members all the time?

By public accounts, one could wonder if Reggie's ENTIRE adult life hasn't been based on trying to control and influence his 14 year younger superstar brother, because Derrick was clearly gonna be a star, and Reggie had little else going on. Can't say I'd blame him or that his heart wasn't in the right place, but let's be real. There is really zero evidence that Derrick is in agreement with Reggie on anything. He's had a million chances to defer to Reggie publicly, and has never done so. But he has deferred to BJ, Gar, Pax and Thibbs publicly. Reggie is just an old man who protected Derrick from gangs so they could all get rich. And now his payback is that he gets to "manage" Derrick, and Reggie wants his 15 minutes of fame.

[CalilLove89]

Reggie Rose is about to be traded for Maurice

This is Maurice.

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[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I mean, so what? It's LeBron James. That's like not calling Michael Jordan because you have Jeff Hornacek.

On top of that, even if you're not going to call LBJ, at least call Bosh and try and convince him why Chicago would be a good fit.

Your argument is a bit perplexing.

So for the FA period, you're saying "It's Lebron James!" and Deng is supposed to understand.

...yet now when Reggie is saying..."We're not as good as Lebron James!"...now that's supposed to hurt Deng's fragile, lived through civil war, psyche?

What is perplexing here to you? Derrick Rose is complaining about not having a talented team, yet he didn't actively help recruit talented players when the Chicago Bulls had its best chance at attaining them. Instead, he had his brothers publicly call out the team during a point in the season when absolutely nothing could be done about it. I don't mind him asking for a more talented team publicly at all. How he did it was handled incredibly poorly.

Why do you keep saying this about 2010 & you never answered my post when it was addressed?

I will repeat it again, Homes.

What was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.

[WinCity]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if things transpired like this:

For months (even stretching into the offseason), Rose and his camp were imploring the Bulls FO to upgrade the team. Time and time again, they saw (like many fans saw, sans the ones in my sig) the FO do the exact opposite. They continued to implore the FO to upgrade up until the deadline. Not only did they see the FO not do this, but every rumor they heard (like all of us heard) involved the Bulls cutting salary. At this point, Rose and Co. were pissed. Rose knows he's coming back but he's pissed that the organization isn't giving its all into winning. So he says to himself, I'm coming back but I want to let the FO know that I'm not happy with what they've done. Speaking privately to them clearly hasn't worked, so it's time to go public. So he tells Reggie to go for it.

That honestly seems like the likeliest explanation. And I have absolutely no problem with it. Maybe they could have gone about it differently or at a different time, but that's nit picking. And the situation wouldn't have presented itself if the FO didn't behave like a mid-market team.

Agreed 100%. It had to be said. JR has had this coming for a long time.

[Wingy]

I mean, so what? It's LeBron James. That's like not calling Michael Jordan because you have Jeff Hornacek.

On top of that, even if you're not going to call LBJ, at least call Bosh and try and convince him why Chicago would be a good fit.

Your argument is a bit perplexing.

So for the FA period, you're saying "It's Lebron James!" and Deng is supposed to understand.

...yet now when Reggie is saying..."We're not as good as Lebron James!"...now that's supposed to hurt Deng's fragile, lived through civil war, psyche?

What is perplexing here to you? Derrick Rose is complaining about not having a talented team, yet he didn't actively help recruit talented players when the Chicago Bulls had its best chance at attaining them. Instead, he had his brothers publicly call out the team during a point in the season when absolutely nothing could be done about it. I don't mind him asking for a more talented team publicly at all. How he did it was handled incredibly poorly.

We're not talking Rose...we're talking about your opinion of the team's psyche and how it's influenced by Derrick Rose. You say on one hand that 2 years ago they should've been fine being looked down upon in comparison to Lebron. Today, that's no longer ok for some reason.

[HomoSapien]

....and yet none of you guys answer the 2nd question. You assume they didn't do all that...but there's absolutely no proof that they didn't either. Jerry can say, "yeah, yeah, GarPax is doin' their best...we're working on it...have faith"...repeat line ad nauseum without actually giving GarPax the leash to be able to do anything.

No. I'm saying he could have publicly made those comments at those times and it would have been fine. Doing it hours after the trade deadline (when the Bulls weren't even rumored to be actively seeking a trade anyways) right before you're about to return is stupid.

[Tenchi Ryu]

....and yet none of you guys answer the 2nd question. You assume they didn't do all that...but there's absolutely no proof that they didn't either. Jerry can say, "yeah, yeah, GarPax is doin' their best...we're working on it...have faith"...repeat line ad nauseum without actually giving GarPax the leash to be able to do anything.

No doubt that could have happened, but I just can't see even Jerry being THAT stupid. Someone like Josh Smith is someone who you give the "yea yea I hear you" lines. But Derrick Rose, a top 5 player when healthy who can carry a team? If our leaders are that stupid, we were doomed from the start.

[HomoSapien]

We're not talking Rose...we're talking about your opinion of the team's psyche and how it's influenced by Derrick Rose. You say on one hand that 2 years ago they should've been fine being looked down upon in comparison to Lebron. Today, that's no longer ok for some reason.

The difference is:

1.) It's not publicly calling Luol Deng out by saying you'd love to play with LeBron James, Wade, or Bosh.
2.) This is in the middle of season when with all things considered we have played well and are considered a contender with Rose returning.

[BrooklynBulls]

The assumption or deduction that Reggie Rose is speaking on behalf of Derrick is really poorly supported. Although I think it's quite possible Derrick feels that way privately. But I don't think Derrick wanted something like this made public because it doesn't make him look good, and it doesn't do much for anybody frankly.


I think this is Reggie sounding off on his own personal frustrations. I think Reggie's the one controlling Derrick. Not t'other way round. I think he's the one leaking "Derrick might not come back unless the team has something to play for" stuff. I think Rose himself has the same attitude he's had since the injury, and that is that he won't rush it, he won't jeopardize his career, but he is eager to play, and will play the moment he is truly comfortable and not a moment before it.

I don't see it as nearly the dramatic situation many paint it to be. Even Reggie "throwing the Bulls under the bus" isn't much of a toss. He mentions most of our starters as "great players" then says "well you need more to beat Miami." If that deflates this Bulls team, this Bulls team needs thicker skin.

[hammel123]

Not only did they see the FO not do this, but every rumor they heard (like all of us heard) involved the Bulls cutting salary. At this point, Rose and Co. were pissed. Rose knows he's coming back but he's pissed that the organization isn't giving its all into winning. So he says to himself, I'm coming back but I want to let the FO know that I'm not happy with what they've done. Speaking privately to them clearly hasn't worked, so it's time to go public. So he tells Reggie to go for it.

The fact that they didn't cut Hamilton probably supports your argument. It's completely useless to keep him on the roster and go into the tax, unless the FO didn't want to look vulnerable to the arguments you've just set out - most likely from the Rose camp - not fans, they don't care what fans think - they'd still show up to the games

[jStuNNa]

Prior to this season, the Bulls have had the best record in the NBA two years in a row. I'd call that the product of having a good roster so I'm not sure what Reggie is talking about. Pax and Gar have done pretty awesome in free agency and the draft -- given the hand they were dealt.

Maybe he needs to point a finger at Derrick since Rose refuses to recruit other players.

I'm not sure what's been going on in Rose's camp lately, but between giving the Chicago media the shaft, being a bit overly ambiguous in regard to his return, and now this, he's not looking good.

Reggie Rose needs to realize that this is a concern that needs to be raised quietly, behind closed doors, and that he only creates a negative atmosphere that surrounds himself, Rose, the organization and the team by publicly voicing his opinion -- especially when he's completely wrong and a bit out of his league.

[GetBuLLish]

I'll never understand the mentality of "consequences be damned, as long as someone says/does something that supports my personal view, it's all good!"

Simply put I dont see the grave consequences you do.

Exactly.

[Wingy]

....and yet none of you guys answer the 2nd question. You assume they didn't do all that...but there's absolutely no proof that they didn't either. Jerry can say, "yeah, yeah, GarPax is doin' their best...we're working on it...have faith"...repeat line ad nauseum without actually giving GarPax the leash to be able to do anything.

No doubt that could have happened, but I just can't see even Jerry being THAT stupid. Someone like Josh Smith is someone who you give the "yea yea I hear you" lines. But Derrick Rose, a top 5 player when healthy who can carry a team? If our leaders are that stupid, we were doomed from the start.

Really? You don't?

This is the same man that allowed his crumby GM to completely alienate Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson.