LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

[chadrucf]

The question is whether Aldridge and a small amount of cap space is better than Deng and Boozer.

In fact, could someone run the calculations for our cap situation with Aldridge versus letting Deng and Boozer expire naturally? Let's say it's just Deng/Cha Pick/Mirotic for the sake of argument.

[dice]

LA is nowhere near a ,marginal upgrade over boozer or taj

have you been paying attention this entire thread? the only argument for LMA is offense, right (boozer destroys him on the boards, taj outrebounds him AND is a much better defender)?

past 3 seasons per 36:

LMA: 20.4P, 54.5% TS
booz: 18.7P, 53.2% TS

just because LMA plays on a sucky team and takes a lot of shots doesn't mean he's a good scorer. give booz those shots and minutes and you're looking at similar scoring totals. why does booz not have to take all those shots? because we've got taj gibson! switch out boozer for LMA and he'll face the same situation as boozer did coming to the bulls: less minutes, less shots, lower numbers

[MAQ]

You can't in one breath agree that he will improve his FG% with Rose and then in the next say point guards didn't have any effect on his FG%.

Because we were specifically talking about the jump shots. Boozer missed looks early in the year that he would have missed regardless of who passed him the ball.

Rose is going to help improve everyone's offense. He's not going to be able to put the ball in the hoop for them from 18 feet though.

He absolutely is. Better play-making and passing makes contested jumpers lightly contested jumpers. And it makes lightly contested jumpers wide open shots.

And what you said is why I said it won't make a difference...Because Boozer missed a lot of wide open jumpers to start the season. They weren't contested...lightly or heavily...They were wide open misses.

[LawSon18]

Mirotic is never playing here guys.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

LA is nowhere near a ,marginal upgrade over boozer or taj

have you been paying attention this entire thread? the only argument for LMA is offense, right (boozer destroys him on the boards, taj outrebounds him AND is a much better defender)?

past 3 seasons per 36:

LMA: 20.4P, 54.5% TS
booz: 18.7P, 53.2% TS

just because LMA plays on a sucky team and takes a lot of shots doesn't mean he's a good scorer. give booz those shots and minutes and you're looking at similar scoring totals. why does booz not have to take all those shots? because we've got taj gibson! switch out boozer for LMA and he'll face the same situation as boozer did coming to the bulls: less minutes, less shots, lower numbers

But Taj is gone in an LMA deal, and Boozer is probably amnestied or traded. LMA would get at least 35mpg, I'd imagine.

[chadrucf]

And what you said is why I said it won't make a difference...Because Boozer missed a lot of wide open jumpers to start the season. They weren't contested...lightly or heavily...They were wide open misses.

You specifically said it WOULD make a difference with Rose. Are you now saying Rose won't improve Boozer's shooting at all? I think that's insane.

[MAQ]

And what you said is why I said it won't make a difference...Because Boozer missed a lot of wide open jumpers to start the season. They weren't contested...lightly or heavily...They were wide open misses.

You specifically said it WOULD make a difference with Rose. Are you now saying Rose won't improve Boozer's shooting at all? I think that's insane.

Rose is going to get Boozer more open looks. More opportunities to make shots at a high percentage. The open looks that Hinrich and Nate got Boozer will still be there regardless. At the start of last season Boozer missed a lot of those open looks.

The post I quoted specifically said Boozer struggled with making jumpers because he didn't have a PG to get him the ball. And I'm saying when the PG's DID get him the ball, he still missed a lot of open looks to start the season. It didn't have a damn thing to do with the PG's. Will Rose help? Yes, because Rose will generate even more open looks for him. But those missed shots were not the fault of the non-PG's Boozer had.

That's a lie...A really weak excuse.

[pylb]

LMA is more efficient on a worse team. That makes him a much better player.
I think anyone who wants Aldridge also thinks Boozer would get traded, and maybe Taj too.

[chadrucf]

Boozer was assisted on 78% of his shots >16 ft. Are you saying the quality of the passes is completely irrelevant to his shooting effectiveness?

[dice]

Let me explain. In my mind, Taj, Mirotic, CHA pick, and 1 or 2 future picks go for LMA.
Deng goes for Tyreke Evans in a S&T.
We amnesty Boozer.
We have Rose/Evans/Butler/Aldridge/Noah, and cap space,

that's not an upgrade to you?

that's a whole lot of wishful thinking and, in my opinion, no immediate upgrade to our roster while hurting us long-term

1) we're not gonna amnesty boozer. not this year, anyway
2) no telling what you're get from tyreke evans. not even sure how obtainable he is or what his contract situation is

anyway, you're changing the trade i was responding to, which included both taj and deng for LMA

[bullsnewdynasty]

If Portland is "dumb" for not taking Taj, Mirotic, 2014 Pick, and CHA pick. That's what some people feel on this board.

That's exactly how I feel Chicago would be to give those up. Dumb.

That deal is a steal for the Bulls.

[TIKIbull]

And what you said is why I said it won't make a difference...Because Boozer missed a lot of wide open jumpers to start the season. They weren't contested...lightly or heavily...They were wide open misses.

You specifically said it WOULD make a difference with Rose. Are you now saying Rose won't improve Boozer's shooting at all? I think that's insane.

Rose is going to get Boozer more open looks. More opportunities to make shots at a high percentage. The open looks that Hinrich and Nate got Boozer will still be there regardless. At the start of last season Boozer missed a lot of those open looks.

The post I quoted specifically said Boozer struggled with making jumpers because he didn't have a PG to get him the ball. And I'm saying when the PG's DID get him the ball, he still missed a lot of open looks to start the season. It didn't have a damn thing to do with the PG's. Will Rose help? Yes, because Rose will generate even more open looks for him. But those missed shots were not the fault of the non-PG's Boozer had.

That's a lie...A really weak excuse.

Not only does Boozer miss wide open shots. He gives up wide open shots.

[chadrucf]

And what you said is why I said it won't make a difference...Because Boozer missed a lot of wide open jumpers to start the season. They weren't contested...lightly or heavily...They were wide open misses.

You specifically said it WOULD make a difference with Rose. Are you now saying Rose won't improve Boozer's shooting at all? I think that's insane.

Rose is going to get Boozer more open looks. The open looks that Hinrich and Nate got Boozer will still be there...And Boozer will probably still miss them.

Everyone misses shots. The fact is, Rose will increase Boozer's shooting percentages. You are all over the place here. What are you even trying to say?

[dice]

LMA is more efficient on a worse team. That makes him a much better player

his efficiency was lower on the good blazer teams he played on

[dice]

LA is nowhere near a ,marginal upgrade over boozer or taj

have you been paying attention this entire thread? the only argument for LMA is offense, right (boozer destroys him on the boards, taj outrebounds him AND is a much better defender)?

past 3 seasons per 36:

LMA: 20.4P, 54.5% TS
booz: 18.7P, 53.2% TS

just because LMA plays on a sucky team and takes a lot of shots doesn't mean he's a good scorer. give booz those shots and minutes and you're looking at similar scoring totals. why does booz not have to take all those shots? because we've got taj gibson! switch out boozer for LMA and he'll face the same situation as boozer did coming to the bulls: less minutes, less shots, lower numbers

But Taj is gone in an LMA deal, and Boozer is probably amnestied or traded. LMA would get at least 35mpg, I'd imagine.

right. but i'm saying boozer could be putting up close to those same numbers if he was given the minutes. if that's the case, why not trade taj for something we actually NEED and give boozer his minutes rather than trade taj for a slightly better version of boozer?

[MAQ]

What are you even trying to say?

This year Boozer shot poorly but I would guess having no real point guards with any passing ability factored in there.

I'm trying to say that this is bull. It's blatantly false. Boozer's poor shooting to star the year had little to do with the PG's. He just shot poorly.

[pylb]

LMA is more efficient on a worse team. That makes him a much better player

his efficiency was lower on the good blazer teams he played on

When he was younger.

Is it more likely that he has improved as a player, or that he plays better when relied upon to do more ?

The only position where we could get more than a slight upgrade is SG. Because Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah are all very good players.

[patryk7754]

LA is nowhere near a ,marginal upgrade over boozer or taj

have you been paying attention this entire thread? the only argument for LMA is offense, right (boozer destroys him on the boards, taj outrebounds him AND is a much better defender)?

past 3 seasons per 36:

LMA: 20.4P, 54.5% TS
booz: 18.7P, 53.2% TS

just because LMA plays on a sucky team and takes a lot of shots doesn't mean he's a good scorer. give booz those shots and minutes and you're looking at similar scoring totals. why does booz not have to take all those shots? because we've got taj gibson! switch out boozer for LMA and he'll face the same situation as boozer did coming to the bulls: less minutes, less shots, lower numbers

LMA averages a higher shooting % on more shoots. So even if his shoots do go down it's only logical to assume his FG% will go up especially with Rose on the court.

[bullsnewdynasty]

have you been paying attention this entire thread? the only argument for LMA is offense, right (boozer destroys him on the boards, taj outrebounds him AND is a much better defender)?

past 3 seasons per 36:

LMA: 20.4P, 54.5% TS
booz: 18.7P, 53.2% TS

just because LMA plays on a sucky team and takes a lot of shots doesn't mean he's a good scorer. give booz those shots and minutes and you're looking at similar scoring totals. why does booz not have to take all those shots? because we've got taj gibson! switch out boozer for LMA and he'll face the same situation as boozer did coming to the bulls: less minutes, less shots, lower numbers

Why are you placing such a premium on regular season stats?

Boozer is way more assisted than Aldridge and disappears in the playoffs when defenses rotate quicker. And he doesn't have the length to score well against taller defenders.

It's less about comparing what the two can do against the Bobcats and more about how their play translates to the playoffs.

[The Kane]

Noah is easily a more valuable player than Aldridge. Its Lamarcus Aldridge! Hes a borderline all-star not Amare in his prime.

Lol you're saying this as if Noah is a perennial All-Star.