NBA Trade Thread

[Lotty8989]

Wow lol this front office is very bad at improving this team

[TheStig]

Why Pistons just basically handed out Drummond for nothing?? But I kinda doubt Drummond will resign with Cavs anyway,could be just rental.

BecAuse he was walking for noting anyway. Cavs might sign him who else is going to pay him?

Pistons are tanking. Just not sure why a better team didn't take Drummond or the Hawks.

[Indomitable]

Well, obviously. My point is he's a good player and we should want him on this team. He's considerably better and a ton more durable than Carter. Either way, it's over with. It's just disappointing to see this front office sitting on their hands once again when they have so many holes.

being frustrated with the current state of the team doesn't mean you should want them to do bad moves just for the sake of making a move. that's how you make a bad situation worse. want an example? just look at what the knicks are doing...

My interest and explanation for wanting Drummond is well-documented. You can look it up if you want to understand it, but I strongly disagree that acquiring the best rebounder in the entire NBA would be a bad move.

It is. He is a stat man period. He does rotate and does not effect the gsme. Plus he wants 30 million a year. No thankyou.

[Lotty8989]

It's getting tough being a bulls fan smh

[FriedRise]

It's hilarious how they're doubling down on Boylen and injuries. To them, to make a trade is to admit that they did a poor job constructing this roster (and extending Boylen). But by standing pat, they get to extend their lifeline because as long as the team isn't competing, there is no pressure on them to be creative and make moves. The fewer moves you make, the fewer mistakes that can be blamed on you when things don't work out.

I can already hear it.

"If it weren't for all the injuries, we would've made the playoffs. That was our goal at the beginning of the season, but it was made challenging when Otto went down, and then later when we lost Wendell, Gafford, Lauri, and Dunn. There's nothing else we could've done."

"We made a big jump defensively with such a young core. We believe in Jim. He did a great job staying course with his gameplan. The players just have to learn and play harder."

"Remember, if Derrick hadn't gotten hurt, we would've gotten a couple championships. We wouldn't be in the position we are now."

[TheStig]

I really like Morris to the Clips. That team just becomes sooooo hard to beat with him at the 4.

[Mirotek]

Can we get firegarpax trending again?

[HomoSapien]

Other than something like Valentine trade, if there are no Bulls trades, hopefully, it's a good sign. I am hoping that GarPax are not allowed to make any more major decisions as they are on the way out before the draft.

The Knicks have found a new GM or President similar to Rob Pelinka. They will go down the path of agent contacts. Hopefully, the Bulls get a smart, young GM.

Outside of the Porter and the Brad Miller/Salmons trade the Bulls have rarely made moves at the deadline. I wouldn't read too much into them not making a move. They've just never been aggressive on the trade front.

I think Thad Young is the barometer. I am sure he is wanted by many contenders and he fits the 2021 free agency cap(from what I understand, he is not guaranteed fully or something like that). If you are the Bulls, you want to trade him for a pick with WCJ, Dunn coming back in a few weeks. I think they want to trade Young but are they allowed to do that is the question, IMO.

It doesn't seem like Young was that sought after. The only team linked to him was the Clippers and they were able to trade for a better player.

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[Chi town]

Knicks get a first for signing Morris into their cap space.

Meanwhile we get high character Thad who has been sulking, can’t unload him, and still have to pay him 14M next season.

[SfBull]

I haven't posted on this board for YEARS. I joined during the "3C's" era lol. I do read it daily because it's the best intelligent Bulls conversation you can find on the net. I'll always rely on this board for everything Bulls. This post has brought me outta retirement because it hits the nail right on the head. I use to be a front office supporter and believed in their vision. The sad part is, because of them, we are further away from a championship now than we have ever been since the Jordan years. There is no clear plan. Zach is our only "piece", our coach is laughably bad and also has a bad reputation around the league. The Bulls have a negative rep across the media landscape. And that matters. Perception matters. Our perception is horiffic now.

Most of all, our organization means nothing to young players. NO ONE WILL WANT TO COME HERE. We have so many things that are out of our control. Specifically the weather and location. Players don't want to play here because of those things. Might sound superficial but it's truth. Listening to Kyle Long (former Bear) on ESPN 1000 yesterday proved this. He said the hardest selling point is the weather. It's cold and it sucks. Summer is amazing but the rest just sucks. Players naturally don't want to be here. The Jordan Era is only something they read or heard about at this point. It doesn't resonate with them like it does for fans my age. I'm 38 by the way lol.

So what we have to do as an organization is overwhelm them with the rest. Have a owner who realizes that he has the best fans in the world and is willing to spend to have a contender. Not focus on running the Bulls as a business but a legendary sports franchise who's goal is to be the best and if ur not the best, look like ur achingly close to being the best. A 6 time championship franchise on the cusp of the next 3peat. The Bulls currently run themselves like they are in the OKC market. Good for business. Bad for championship aspirations and selling free agents. We have to have a front office that is young, exciting, and has a clear vision. Has someone the players OF THIS ERA can relate with. The legends like Pip and Horace can be there but we need youth in the front office. Someone they saw play preferably. Someone they respect. Have a coach that is the same. A players coach who is smart enough to run a system that fits his players and not force a system on them.

Once those things are in place, then we can retool the roster and have selling points. Right now we have exactly one selling point. Zach. And even he's debatable amongst people who watch the league.

Next weekend should be a crowning achievement for the city and for the team. Bulls in contention, with young stars and a front office with a vision. Imagine the good publicity we would get. Even if we were on the fringe of the playoffs, we could still have a different perception around the league. Right now we're the opposite. Rudderless with no captain, no first mate and a crew that is hurt or apathetic.

This is truly a grim time for us Bulls fans. If any one is interested, I'd love to share what my first few moves would be if I were running the org.

Do tell man. Short of firing the whole FO and resetting with a new coach and direction, I’m unsure what they can do to fix perception.

I think this is the worst Bulls situation since 2003 (when they lost Jay’s career to the bike accident - which was obviously a terrible situation on a different level, so disregarding that) - you have 3 core draft prospects who are two one-way bigs years from development and an undersized chucker with broke trade value (3 Cs), you have your Jalen Rose who thinks he should be an all-star due to his ppg (Zach), and you have your Donyell Marshall solid vet out of place (Thad). And injuries. Injuries all the time.

They even courtesy signed and retired Luol Deng ala Pippen. And you can liken Jimmy Butler to Ron Artest, who was a fire-cracker in a few locker-rooms but eventually found even greater success at the beach (Metta chip in LA).

Went from a great coach and great team, broke it up/didn’t trade high, hired an inept Iowa coach who kept losing (Floyd/Fred), switched gears to a stubborn defensive coach (Skiles/Boylen).

It’s eerie how parallel it is. It should be a screaming sign to fire Pax and move onto the next phase. I honestly preferred Krause’s drafting. He at least pursued the correct ‘prototypes.’

At work now so I can't post fully detailed thoughts but you need to start with a perception change.

I was shocked that I saw on Twitter that BJ Armstrong was being considered for the Knicks FO spot. He was my exact idea for President of Basketball Ops. for the Bulls. Former Bull. Ties to championship Era but also extremely connected to today's players since he's a current agent.

Also my pick for GM is Jay Williams. Hear me out. Has an extremely positive perception from current players. Can articulate his ideas well. Can "sell" players, media and fans on a vision. Very player friendly. Can attract this new era of young players due to time spent on ESPN. Former Bull. After extensively listening to is basketball ideas on TV, he seems to know what it takes to build a current winning team. Also very connected to the college game and players.

Coach is pie in the sky..... Juwan Howard. Extensive history as an assistant coach. Learned from Spo and Riley in Miami which is ideal. Player friendly but demands respect. Chicago native. Knows current NBA young players and college level young players. It may be a year or two early to grab him but after he has Michigan as a top 10 team shortly, it's gonna be too late because everyone will be after him. I'd throw tons of money to get him away from Michigan right now.

Dream with me that this Friday, we hear the Bulls are making a complete overhaul of the org and this is the plan. Of course you can't announce Howard now but with the all star game coming here, we would be the absolute talk of the league with Armstrong and Williams now heading up this great organization. Instant perception change. Instant "cred" amongst the who's who of the league. The Bulls would be back and we haven't even touched the roster. The new braintrust would announce the entire roster and coaching staff would be evaluated for the remainder of the season with the exception of immediately firing Boylen and replacing him with Chris Fleming as interim head coach. I actually like him as a coaching prospect. And could potentially be a good fall back option to consider if Howard doesn't want to leave the wolverines just yet.

Who's with me?

I am.Moves like the Niners made hiring John Lynch from Fox and getting Shanahan.They spent just 2 years for turning a losing franchise in a Superbowl contender.

[Lotty8989]

I wish this team fail completely jus so we can get new management and ownership in that wants to win

[FriedRise]

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[HomoSapien]

From KC:

When are they going to start real conversations about changes in the front office? - Charles Weidenburner, via Facebook

Widespread speculation, including here, has the Bulls contemplating changes this offseason. As for the conversations, surely Jerry and Michael Reinsdorf exchange dialogue during the season. But there’s still strong belief in executive vice president John Paxson. If there are changes, I’d expect a different title for Gar Forman, a revamp of the scouting department and a new voice from outside the organization to run day-to-day duties but report to Paxson. But other than ownership’s belief in Paxson, this is speculation on my part.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/bulls-mailbag-who-getting-traded-zach-lavine-untouchable

[Red8911]

Outside of the Porter and the Brad Miller/Salmons trade the Bulls have rarely made moves at the deadline. I wouldn't read too much into them not making a move. They've just never been aggressive on the trade front.

I think Thad Young is the barometer. I am sure he is wanted by many contenders and he fits the 2021 free agency cap(from what I understand, he is not guaranteed fully or something like that). If you are the Bulls, you want to trade him for a pick with WCJ, Dunn coming back in a few weeks. I think they want to trade Young but are they allowed to do that is the question, IMO.

It doesn't seem like Young was that sought after. The only team linked to him was the Clippers and they were able to trade for a better player.

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Yeah Thad wasn’t that good last year and this season obviously he hasn’t helped much as he should. Still solid but I could see why no team is dying to acquire him.

[AKfanatic]

I really like Morris to the Clips. That team just becomes sooooo hard to beat with him at the 4.

Agreed. He’s a really good fit. Also gives the clips yet another really take no bullsh*t guy. He can defend and has the ability to get his own shot.

The Clips are going to be so so tough to beat in the playoffs if they can get a chemistry going going into the playoffs.

The Clips have a real old school feel to their team, and I absolutely love it.

[Lotty8989]

7th pick here we come

[TheStig]

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Who is this new head of basketball operations. Is it Pax in a sombrero? El Paxsona?

Talk about making $hit up......

[aguifs]

What a joke of a franchise!!!

[TheStig]

I really like Morris to the Clips. That team just becomes sooooo hard to beat with him at the 4.

Agreed. He’s a really good fit. Also gives the clips yet another really take no bullsh*t guy. He can defend and has the ability to get his own shot.

The Clips are going to be so so tough to beat in the playoffs if they can get a chemistry going going into the playoffs.

The Clips have a real old school feel to their team, and I absolutely love it.

All the media is Lakers this or that but the Clips have championship expirence in their closer, lots of length and multiple versatile guys.

They just need to pick up a C to beat up AD for 5-10 minutes a game in the WCF.

[sco]

I really like Morris to the Clips. That team just becomes sooooo hard to beat with him at the 4.

Agreed. He’s a really good fit. Also gives the clips yet another really take no bullsh*t guy. He can defend and has the ability to get his own shot.

The Clips are going to be so so tough to beat in the playoffs if they can get a chemistry going going into the playoffs.

The Clips have a real old school feel to their team, and I absolutely love it.

Hoping for Clips/Heat finals with Bucks being eliminated early and Clips winning.