Coronavirus

[League Circles]

Not to downplay the testing problem, but I think it's a secondary problem right now. What's crucial is that everyone uses best practices and that healthcare workers have all the equipment and tests they need. Getting tested really only results in a directive to quarantine, which you should be doing with or without a test or symptoms.

[AKfanatic]

Not to downplay the testing problem, but I think it's a secondary problem right now. What's crucial is that everyone uses best practices and that healthcare workers have all the equipment and tests they need. Getting tested really only results in a directive to quarantine, which you should be doing with or without a test or symptoms.

Testing doesn’t just result in quarantine.

Testing allows professionals to track and trace. If there’s a sudden hotspot of an outbreak in an area that previously had none - which they’d never know without testing - the outbreak can be traced to those that are likely carrying and slowed with forced quarantines of someone that is spreading the virus.

Testing is important for reasons that go far beyond just tracking numbers.

[rosenthall]

Not to downplay the testing problem, but I think it's a secondary problem right now. What's crucial is that everyone uses best practices and that healthcare workers have all the equipment and tests they need. Getting tested really only results in a directive to quarantine, which you should be doing with or without a test or symptoms.

I agree about testing being overrated right now, but think in about 1 month or so it's importance will begin to rise again.

For the time being, I think of the response to the pandemic as happening in at least these three stages:

stage 1: Containment. This is when small numbers of people are getting it, and bureaucracies have a legitimate chance of quarantining it via contact tracing and testing. I think once you get more than 500-1000 cases this becomes very hard to do. Once you get more than 5000 cases it's basically impossible to do. During this period testing is extremely important. That period has passed, and we missed that opportunity in a big way.

stage 2: Run for the hills. At around 5000-10000, and lack of necessary containment measures from the previous step, I don't think there's a way to test your way out of anything. Way too many people have it, and societal norms haven't sufficiently acclimated to the realities of containing a virus. I think we agree here........at this point everyone just needs to go home, and we need to direct resources towards systemic bulwarks so they don't crumble. People need to stay at home and wash their hands more than they need to get tested.

This is basically where we're at now, and I imagine we'll stay here for the next 4-8 weeks.

stage 3: Re-acclimation. At some point the sickness of the economy will begin to overwhelm the sickness of the population and people will have to get out of the present situation for one reason or another. At this point, to avoid lots of nasty stuff happening, we'll basically have to have a million + tests a day ready and on tap, so people can gracefully take themselves in and out of the workplace so we can keep the boat afloat without too many people dying.

To get ready for stage 3, we'll basically need to keep making all the tests we can right now anyway, so I don't think alternative scenarios for test manufacturing look that different than they do now, but it's not the most critical thing for everyday Joe's right this moment.

[rosenthall]

It looks like we are getting take home tests for coronavirus soon:

https://www.everlywell.com/blog/news-and-info/our-commitment-to-fighting-covid-19/

and here:

https://www.nurx.com/coronavirus-testing/

I don't really need to take these at the moment, but maybe worth a mention to others who are showing symptoms.

[coldfish]

Mass testing ends this.

IMO, if we were to get to the point where you can do influenza quick turnaround tests, you could test people and get results almost immediately. Then you could go out and overwhelm the disease by testing anyone who is at concern and then testing anyone who came in contact with those who tested positive.

There are something like 200,000 labs in the US. It would be entirely possible for us to run millions of tests per day.

Beyond just knowing who has it, you could get early notice when you get symptoms and start mitigation treatment early. That would likely radically reduce the death rate. Right now, doctors are only starting treatment when someone is advanced.

[dice]

It looks like we are getting take home tests for coronavirus soon:

https://www.everlywell.com/blog/news-and-info/our-commitment-to-fighting-covid-19/

and here:

https://www.nurx.com/coronavirus-testing/

I don't really need to take these at the moment, but maybe worth a mention to others who are showing symptoms.

FDA warning that home testing kits are unauthorized and potentially fraudulent.

$135 for the everlywell test kit (they claim they will make no profit). others are a bit more expensive

[DuckIII]

P.S. I googled the author and the first thing I found is that he is a contributing writer for Breitbart, to the extent that association matters to others as it does to me.

Educate me? I've not heard of Breitbart heh.

I just know I felt really agitated reading that article, and then calmed down a bit when I saw the responses below, was relieved at least as it seems many people can judge poor arguments/data when they see it.

Breitbart is an alt-right cesspool which spreads conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism and xenophobia. It’s for white nationalist extremists who exist in the paranoid margins.

[bullsnewdynasty]

There’s 6 reported deaths so far in Illinois.

To shut down the entire state seems pretty insane considering that a lot more than 6 people get shot in Chicago every month. Yet there’s no executive action/response to that problem.

At what point do we need to seriously think about what we’re doing? People losing their jobs and businesses seems much more damaging to me.

[dice]

P.S. I googled the author and the first thing I found is that he is a contributing writer for Breitbart, to the extent that association matters to others as it does to me.

Educate me? I've not heard of Breitbart heh.

I just know I felt really agitated reading that article, and then calmed down a bit when I saw the responses below, was relieved at least as it seems many people can judge poor arguments/data when they see it.

Breitbart is an alt-right cesspool which spreads conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism and xenophobia. It’s for white nationalist extremists who exist in the paranoid margins.

whose co-founder was senior counselor to president trump (who has attempted to downplay coronavirus at every turn):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon

[TheGOATRises007]

There’s 6 reported deaths so far in Illinois.

To shut down the entire state seems pretty insane considering that a lot more than 6 people get shot in Chicago every month. Yet there’s no executive action/response to that problem.

At what point do we need to seriously think about what we’re doing? People losing their jobs and businesses seems much more damaging to me.

People losing jobs and businesses is unfortunate.

However, you can't equate the death count of a virus to people getting shot.

The virus is spreading and may infect others. That's the reason for the shutdown. We might as well contain it best we can if we(citizens) all do our part and self isolate as much as possible.

People getting shot isn't spreading.

I don't think this virus is going to end civilization as that's silly, but we need to take precautions while we can.

It will subside once the peak is hit and our bodies build up immunity + meds/vacines being found.

[League Circles]

There’s 6 reported deaths so far in Illinois.

To shut down the entire state seems pretty insane considering that a lot more than 6 people get shot in Chicago every month. Yet there’s no executive action/response to that problem.

At what point do we need to seriously think about what we’re doing? People losing their jobs and businesses seems much more damaging to me.

There are lots of political responses to the murders. Hopefully the covid responses work better than the murder responses.

Ultimately it's all about being safe so the many sick people can't get critical care at hospitals instead of dying in waiting rooms while they pass it on to others and forever cripple our civilization.

[DuckIII]

There’s 6 reported deaths so far in Illinois.

To shut down the entire state seems pretty insane considering that a lot more than 6 people get shot in Chicago every month. Yet there’s no executive action/response to that problem.

At what point do we need to seriously think about what we’re doing? People losing their jobs and businesses seems much more damaging to me.

Are you still trying to peddle your paranoid media conspiracy theory that this is all being manufactured to defeat Trump?

You wrote this 9 days ago:

Sure, let's question numbers from the CDC. I'm sure the media panic has nothing to do with the election and trying to drive the stock market down, namely getting the president out of office.

They're playing all of you for fools.

Because even Trump dropped that line of balderdash. The reason what is happening is happening is partly because early on key decision makers were employing your dangerous view and now they are doing everything they can to limit the damage already done by their reckless naysaying and lies.

Let me ask you this: why do you think Pritzker, Cuomo, Newsom, etc. are taking these steps? Is it still to make Trump look bad? If so, why did Trump declare a national emergency? Why is his guy Fauci going on the news everyday to explain to us the science about how bad and dangerous this is? About how it’s going to get much worse? Is he in on it too?

[TheEndIsNigh]

I live on an island of 12,000 people. 6 confirmed cases here now. This could swiftly turn into a disaster.

[bulls_troy]

For US people who decided to tune in to Australia's AFL for your sporting fix, sorry to say, the AFL season has also been suspended until further notice

[dice]

There’s 6 reported deaths so far in Illinois.

To shut down the entire state seems pretty insane considering that a lot more than 6 people get shot in Chicago every month. Yet there’s no executive action/response to that problem.

At what point do we need to seriously think about what we’re doing? People losing their jobs and businesses seems much more damaging to me.

Are you still trying to peddle your paranoid media conspiracy theory that this is all being manufactured to defeat Trump?

You wrote this 9 days ago:

Sure, let's question numbers from the CDC. I'm sure the media panic has nothing to do with the election and trying to drive the stock market down, namely getting the president out of office.

They're playing all of you for fools.

Because even Trump dropped that line of balderdash. The reason what is happening is happening is partly because early on key decision makers were employing your dangerous view and now they are doing everything they can to limit the damage already done by their reckless naysaying and lies.

Let me ask you this: why do you think Pritzker, Cuomo, Newsom, etc. are taking these steps? Is it still to make Trump look bad? If so, why did Trump declare a national emergency? Why is his guy Fauci going on the news everyday to explain to us the science about how bad and dangerous this is? About how it’s going to get much worse? Is he in on it too?

it's going to be interesting to see how the different states manage this and whether trump is forced to issue a national order for people to stay home

-arizona, arkansas, idaho, mississippi, nebraska, montana, n dakota, s dakota, wyoming, utah, georgia, tennessee, texas and oklahoma have not shut down any businesses, including bars and restaurants

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/oklahoma-governor-criticized-after-family-night-out-amid-coronavirus-national-emergency/5OT7JMLYTRGB5L2ANFM2FBQTVI/

-florida and new mexico restaurants (and bars serving food) can run at half capacity w/ 6 feet between patrons

-kansas somehow elected a democratic governor (possibly due to backlash over their disasterous experiments w/ severe tax cuts), who made the state the first to cancel school for the remainder of the year

as an aside, grocery store workers should be getting hazard pay

[AKfanatic]

There’s 6 reported deaths so far in Illinois.

To shut down the entire state seems pretty insane considering that a lot more than 6 people get shot in Chicago every month. Yet there’s no executive action/response to that problem.

At what point do we need to seriously think about what we’re doing? People losing their jobs and businesses seems much more damaging to me.

Are you still trying to peddle your paranoid media conspiracy theory that this is all being manufactured to defeat Trump?

You wrote this 9 days ago:

Sure, let's question numbers from the CDC. I'm sure the media panic has nothing to do with the election and trying to drive the stock market down, namely getting the president out of office.

They're playing all of you for fools.

Because even Trump dropped that line of balderdash. The reason what is happening is happening is partly because early on key decision makers were employing your dangerous view and now they are doing everything they can to limit the damage already done by their reckless naysaying and lies.

Let me ask you this: why do you think Pritzker, Cuomo, Newsom, etc. are taking these steps? Is it still to make Trump look bad? If so, why did Trump declare a national emergency? Why is his guy Fauci going on the news everyday to explain to us the science about how bad and dangerous this is? About how it’s going to get much worse? Is he in on it too?

it's going to be interesting to see how the different states manage this and whether trump is forced to issue a national order for people to stay home

-arizona, arkansas, idaho, mississippi, nebraska, montana, n dakota, s dakota, wyoming, utah, georgia, tennessee, texas and oklahoma have not shut down any businesses, including bars and restaurants

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/oklahoma-governor-criticized-after-family-night-out-amid-coronavirus-national-emergency/5OT7JMLYTRGB5L2ANFM2FBQTVI/

-florida and new mexico restaurants (and bars serving food) can run at half capacity w/ 6 feet between patrons

-kansas somehow elected a democratic governor (possibly due to backlash over their disasterous experiments w/ severe tax cuts), who made the state the first to cancel school for the remainder of the year

as an aside, grocery store workers should be getting hazard pay

The most predictable thing that Trump will do in all this is attack and attempt to shift blame on leaders of places like NY if and when things turn really bad.

It’ll sadly work for the specific fairly unbalanced, notsobrietbart group that he will be playing to.

Many local leaders have handled things about as well as one could ask them to. sadly, the leadership at the top is more interested in (as always) in moving the narrative to his being the victim of “liberal” media attacks than he is of handling the health and economic crisis facing the country.

[HomoSapien]

My wife and I just found out she’s pregnant...

[bulls_troy]

My wife and I just found out she’s pregnant...

Congratulations!

On a side note, as this is in the coronavirus thread, have I missed something?

[MalagaBulls]

My wife and I just found out she’s pregnant...

Congrats Homo!! On a side note:

Welp, it's official in Spain. The lockdown has been extended until 12 April at the earliest. 3 more weeks. 1st week for us was uneventful. Just following the rules.

[bulls_troy]

Further restrictions just announced by Australian PM Scott Morrison. All licensed pubs and clubs, among other things, SHUT as of midday tomorrow (Monday). Cafe's and restaurants are take away only. Gyms, sporting venues, places of worship, etc, there must be only 1 person per 4 square meters. Schools remain open

This is just part of stage 1