LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

[Tenchi Ryu]

If Portland is "dumb" for not taking Taj, Mirotic, 2014 Pick, and CHA pick. That's what some people feel on this board.

That's exactly how I feel Chicago would be to give those up. Dumb.

That deal is a steal for the Bulls.

I honestly wonder if people here even care about Portland getting at least somewhat equal value in return.

[patryk7754]

have you been paying attention this entire thread? the only argument for LMA is offense, right (boozer destroys him on the boards, taj outrebounds him AND is a much better defender)?

past 3 seasons per 36:

LMA: 20.4P, 54.5% TS
booz: 18.7P, 53.2% TS

just because LMA plays on a sucky team and takes a lot of shots doesn't mean he's a good scorer. give booz those shots and minutes and you're looking at similar scoring totals. why does booz not have to take all those shots? because we've got taj gibson! switch out boozer for LMA and he'll face the same situation as boozer did coming to the bulls: less minutes, less shots, lower numbers

Why are you placing such a premium on regular season stats?

Boozer is way more assisted than Aldridge and disappears in the playoffs when defenses rotate quicker. And he doesn't have the length to score well against taller defenders.

Even though I'd like to agree with you I think this is an irrelevant argument when comparing the two because LMA doesn't have much of a playoff resume

[chadrucf]

What are you even trying to say?

This year Boozer shot poorly but I would guess having no real point guards with any passing ability factored in there.

I'm trying to say that this is bull. It's blatantly false. Boozer's poor shooting to star the year had little to do with the PG's. He just shot poorly.

And I say you are too extreme. Hinrich is a wash. All they said was that PG passing ability was a factor. Not even a huge factor, just a factor.

Playing with Rose instead of Robinson would have made his percentages better. Boozer wouldn't all of a sudden make every shot, but he would have been better.

[Jimmy Forums]

Let me explain. In my mind, Taj, Mirotic, CHA pick, and 1 or 2 future picks go for LMA.
Deng goes for Tyreke Evans in a S&T.
We amnesty Boozer.
We have Rose/Evans/Butler/Aldridge/Noah, and cap space,

that's not an upgrade to you?

that's a whole lot of wishful thinking and, in my opinion, no immediate upgrade to our roster while hurting us long-term

1) we're not gonna amnesty boozer. not this year, anyway
2) no telling what you're get from tyreke evans. not even sure how obtainable he is or what his contract situation is

anyway, you're changing the trade i was responding to, which included both taj and deng for LMA

Okay, I'm sorry, but I just want to be clear; regardless of how wishful you think I'm being, if we ended with a lineup of Rose/Tyreke/Butler/Aldridge/Noah and cap space, that would not satisfy you in our pursuit of a title?

[chadrucf]

That would satisfy me, but I don't think that's more than marginally better now and worse in the future.

[TylerB]

LA is nowhere near a ,marginal upgrade over boozer or taj

have you been paying attention this entire thread? the only argument for LMA is offense, right (boozer destroys him on the boards, taj outrebounds him AND is a much better defender)?

past 3 seasons per 36:

LMA: 20.4P, 54.5% TS
booz: 18.7P, 53.2% TS

just because LMA plays on a sucky team and takes a lot of shots doesn't mean he's a good scorer. give booz those shots and minutes and you're looking at similar scoring totals. why does booz not have to take all those shots? because we've got taj gibson! switch out boozer for LMA and he'll face the same situation as boozer did coming to the bulls: less minutes, less shots, lower numbers

Thank you for understanding basketball and actually knowing something about these two players.

Like I said, HE IS LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE not Amare in his prime. He might be better than Boozer now but its not by very much and he is definitely a much worse defensive rebounder.

And whoever is saying Hinrich did a great job this year...He did a great job, for being kirk Hinrich. Compared to an average NBA point guard he isn't a great passer and distributor. As a starting point guard he is a poor passer and distributor and the statistics back that up. In fact he averages the same amount of assists per minute as Nate Robinson and has a lower assist percentage.

And Noah is so much more valuable than Aldridge it hurts. Noah is the defensive backbone of an elite defensive team. He is a great rebounder and a great passer. Aldridge is an outstanding shooter as an NBA player and a good athlete for his size. But thats where it ends. He doesn't really do anything else well and he isn't a great leader, great effort guy, and he doesn't make guys around him better. Those are three more checks for Joakim Noah. Maybe if you think 20 foot jumpers win championships you would prefer Aldridge but I sure don't and neither do the people running the organization.

[Leto]

^ Boozer's playoff stats were almost identical to his regular season numbers. he had a couple poor gaes vs. Miami. That's not surprising. They're a disciplined defensive team who's primary focus was to stop Boozer. Know why? Because he kills them otherwise.

edit ad: See, Booz is so terrible Miami geared their entire defense around stopping...Boozer.

[The Kane]

^ Boozer's playoff stats were almost identical to his regular season numbers. he had a couple poor gaes vs. Miami. That's not surprising. They're a disciplined defensive team who's primary focus was to stop Boozer. Know why? Because he kills them otherwise.

edit ad: See, Booz is so terrible Miami geared their entire defense around stopping...Boozer.

Aldridge has been the #1 option for the Blazers for the last 3 seasons. He still has managed to put up 25/8 against the heat in the Big 3 Era, as the guy the Heat's defense is centered around stopping. I can't imagine what he'd put up against them on a team where he was the #2 option.

[bullsnewdynasty]

^ Boozer's playoff stats were almost identical to his regular season numbers. he had a couple poor gaes vs. Miami. That's not surprising. They're a disciplined defensive team who's primary focus was to stop Boozer. Know why? Because he kills them otherwise.

edit ad: See, Booz is so terrible Miami geared their entire defense around stopping...Boozer.

Lol please, Boozer has had 1 good playoff series as a Bull, being guarded by Reggie Evans. Every other series (5 out of 6) he has been piss poor.

[chadrucf]

^ Boozer's playoff stats were almost identical to his regular season numbers. he had a couple poor gaes vs. Miami. That's not surprising. They're a disciplined defensive team who's primary focus was to stop Boozer. Know why? Because he kills them otherwise.

edit ad: See, Booz is so terrible Miami geared their entire defense around stopping...Boozer.

Aldridge has been the #1 option for the Blazers for the last 3 seasons. He still has managed to put up 25/8 against the heat in the Big 3 Era, as the guy the Heat's defense is centered around stopping. I can't imagine what he'd put up against them on a team where he was the #2 option.

How were the Heat playing Aldridge? Did they gear up to stop him or shut down his teammates while letting him score? If I'm playing the Blazers, I guard the secondary players close and not worry about aldridge putting up 25

[Leto]

Hey, I don't mind trading Boozer for Aldridge. Just stop pretending Boozer is some scrub because you have a Boozer hate-on.

[red222]

If Portland is "dumb" for not taking Taj, Mirotic, 2014 Pick, and CHA pick. That's what some people feel on this board.

That's exactly how I feel Chicago would be to give those up. Dumb.

That deal is a steal for the Bulls.

I honestly wonder if people here even care about Portland getting at least somewhat equal value in return.

In this league you rarely get equal value in a trade for a guy that wants out? So why should we offer equal value to Portland?

[Leto]

If you want equal value for Aldridge its Boozer plus picks--like it or not. Personally, I'd give up Booz, Mirotic OR CHA pick, Bulls 2014 1st. Take it or leave it.

[TylerB]

An the Boozer struggles against Miami stuff is ridiculous. Hes been better than Noah in those 10 games and Rose was pitiful in 2011. Everyone on the team played bad against Miami both series yet Boozer somehow gets singled out. In the regular season this past year Boozer averaged 20 and 15 against Miami for what its worth.

Honestly Noah's play more than anything is what sunk the team in 2011 but it was obvious he wasn't recovered.

And atleast Boozer has shown some flashes in the playoffs, he does have good games. Lamarcus Aldridge has played in 3 playoff series and was pathetic in all of them. His rebounding per 36 in the playoffs is 6.3 which is almost impossible for a 6'11 PF. Hes SOFT. But he he did shoot a bunch of 20 foot jumpers so he averaged 20 ppg, what a beast!

[Red Larrivee]

If you want equal value for Aldridge its Boozer plus picks--like it or not. Personally, I'd give up Booz, Mirotic OR CHA pick, Bulls 2014 1st. Take it or leave it.

Boozer plus picks is not equal value for Aldridge.

I get it, nobody wants to give up Noah. But that doesn't mean we need to pretend that Deng + picks or Boozer plus picks is enough for a prime 20PPG, 20PER+ big man.

What would you be saying if Knicks fans were like "Amare + picks for Noah"

[Jimmy Forums]

If you want equal value for Aldridge its Boozer plus picks--like it or not. Personally, I'd give up Booz, Mirotic OR CHA pick, Bulls 2014 1st. Take it or leave it.

Noooo this is how you know there's no valid comparison between the two. Anything centered around Boozer is not even close.

[Leto]

If you want equal value for Aldridge its Boozer plus picks--like it or not. Personally, I'd give up Booz, Mirotic OR CHA pick, Bulls 2014 1st. Take it or leave it.

Boozer plus picks is not equal value for Aldridge.

I get it, nobody wants to give up Noah. But that doesn't mean we need to pretend that Deng + picks or Boozer plus picks is enough for a prime 20PPG, 20PER+ big man.

What would you be saying if Knicks fans were like "Amare + picks for Noah"

Says you. I disagree, obviously.

Amare did not put up 16/10 with a 17 PER this season. Boozer did and led us to a playoff birth.

[Jimmy Forums]

Until we can incorporate Sacramento and DeMarcus Cousins, Taj AND Mirotic and picks is going to as good as we should do, and it's not a bad package at all.

If I were the GM, I'd have Cousins and Taj on their roster tomorrow. Tell me that's not a good return.

[Leto]

If you want equal value for Aldridge its Boozer plus picks--like it or not. Personally, I'd give up Booz, Mirotic OR CHA pick, Bulls 2014 1st. Take it or leave it.

Noooo this is how you know there's no valid comparison between the two. Anything centered around Boozer is not even close.

That's not even an argument. Its simply a statement that you say is true..because you say so. I disagree. I do not have to go far to see what Boozer is capable of doing and its not far off from Aldridge--like it or not.

[Red Larrivee]

Says you. I disagree, obviously.

Amare did not put up 16/10 with a 17 PER this season. Boozer did and led us to a playoff birth.

Boozer was apart of a team attack that helped lead the Bulls to a playoff birth.

Boozer does not have positive value as a trade asset. Neither does Amar'e. If Knicks fans were like "Amar'e/picks for Noah" everyone here would laugh it off.

Boozer + picks is just as laughable for Aldridge.