Official: Jimmy Butler, #16 to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, #7 - merged/Justin Patton injured

[Shill]

Are we really **** on Butler? When did a team he led underachieve? The guy was given **** teammates.

Yet people trust the same front office to magically build around him with his free agency upcoming?


I don't particularly trust them for a rebuild, but I think this move *could* get us closer to regime change verus more 40-win seasons.

[Jcool0]

It's not "quantity of players" that wins you games. You need players who can actually play and help you win. The Timberwolves did better when LaVine and Dunn were on the bench.

They won 31 games last year. So it didn't matter who was playing.

So what you're saying is a team who sucked, sucked even harder when these players we acquired were playing... which means they really suck.

Especially because the team statistically managed to play respectably in KAT, Wiggins, and Dieng's minutes.

You sure love the word suck...

[chrispatrick]

It's not "quantity of players" that wins you games. You need players who can actually play and help you win. The Timberwolves did better when LaVine and Dunn were on the bench.

Otto Porter is great as your 4th best player. Otto Porter is horrible if you're paying him $100m and hoping he becomes one of your best players.

So you are already deciding how good guys that have not even been drafted yet will be by the time their rookie deals are up?

Porter is an RFA after next season. His statement is accurate.

[D_GoLow]

I fondly remember Kris Dunn being compared to DWade during last year's draft by Jalen

[rosenthall]

When I read that the Bulls traded Jimmy for 2 blue chip prospects on cost controlled contracts and a high lottery pick in a loaded draft my thought was "Oh great! The Bulls decided to pull the trigger and got a reasonable return. I bet RealGM must be relieved!"

And then I read this board..........

Guys......this was the right move to make, and I'm not surprised that this is the best offer that was available.

Some thoughts to ponder:

1). Dunn probably had much higher value among the Execs doing the talking than the commentariat on these boards.

2). LaVine arguably had one of the 20 highest trade values of any player in the league before his injury. Big minute, statistically prolific 21 year olds on rookie contracts are worth a lot in the NBA.

3). We picked a f******* lane!

My only real regret is that I'm a little iffy on Markkanen as a prospect. He has some bust potential.

But we finally have a roster that's entirely aligned towards one, cohesive goal.

[SeniorWalker]

The problem with this board right now is that anyone thought Butler was going to fetch anything close to the #3. It was apparent months ago that wasn't happening. His market value was much lower than you think and for reasons that should be obvious; If this board can easily rationalize why Butler should be traded now since his value dropped last year, and before his value completely tanks next summer with 1 yr remaining on his deal....what do you think people who are paid millions of dollars are doing sitting in their various offices around the league?

It wasn't a homerun for the Bulls but I think it was fine and probably the best they could do given Butler's diminishing market value. The Bulls also have the bonus of probably getting another high lottery pick next year, the potential finality of putting Hoiberg through the fire with young moldable players who fit his agenda, and savings. Exactly one year from now the Bulls would have with Butler the same situation as Paul George now: a star with a tanked trade value. And they were not paying Butler 200 Mil to stay here in 2019, nor should they have ever considered it. His departure was inevitable and this was the best they could get. Not great, but not bad. This really was the last chance for a proper rebuild and they actually did it. Kudos to them, honestly...and I'm not saying this as a fan of theirs.

[HomoSapien]

It's not "quantity of players" that wins you games. You need players who can actually play and help you win. The Timberwolves did better when LaVine and Dunn were on the bench.

Otto Porter is great as your 4th best player. Otto Porter is horrible if you're paying him $100m and hoping he becomes one of your best players.

So you are already deciding how good guys that have not even been drafted yet will be by the time their rookie deals are up?

Your post is weird and I don't know how to respond.

[WindyCityBorn]

I'm glad you are finding some happiness tonight with your superior memory of Butler's career. I'm happy with the overall direction the organization is taking and you are not so YOU lose overall as a Bulls fan.. Have a good night!

What a terrible way to respond when being proven completely and utterly wrong.

They were being smug and condescending to me and another member so yeah I'm dropping my trump card/hammer. Nothing they changes this fact. Argument over.

[HomoSapien]

Are we really **** on Butler? When did a team he led underachieve? The guy was given **** teammates.

Yet people trust the same front office to magically build around him with his free agency upcoming?


I don't particularly trust them for a rebuild, but I think this move *could* get us closer to regime change verus more 40-win seasons.

I don't think anyone trusts them to build anything. My post was simply about **** on Butler. There's no argument that can be made that he underachieved in any way.

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[chrispatrick]

The problem with this board right now is that anyone thought Butler was going to fetch anything close to the #3. It was apparent months ago that wasn't happening. His market value was much lower than you think and for reasons that should be obvious; If this board can easily rationalize why Butler should be traded now since his value dropped last year, and before his value completely tanks next summer with 1 yr remaining on his deal....what do you think people who are paid millions of dollars are doing sitting in their various offices around the league?

It wasn't a homerun for the Bulls but I think it was fine and probably the best they could do given Butler's diminishing market value. The Bulls also have the bonus of probably getting another high lottery pick next year, the potential finality of putting Hoiberg through the fire with young moldable players who fit his agenda, and savings. Exactly one year from now the Bulls would have with Butler the same situation as Paul George now: a star with a tanked trade value. And they were not paying Butler 200 Mil to stay here in 2019, nor should they have ever considered it. His departure was inevitable and this was the best they could get. Not great, but not bad. This really was the last chance for a proper rebuild and they actually did it. Kudos to them, honestly...and I'm not saying this as a fan of theirs.

You have to be disappointed in the haul. Trading Butler for an expiring contract wouldn't have given you value far off from what we got given that a.) Dunn most likely can't play b.) LaVine is a poor on court/off court player coming off major injury who is due for a big contract based more on "potential" than helping a team wind c.) Markannen should be a good role player, but appears to have a low likelihood of being a true building block of consequence.

[FriedRise]

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#rekt

[Jcool0]

Otto Porter is great as your 4th best player. Otto Porter is horrible if you're paying him $100m and hoping he becomes one of your best players.

So you are already deciding how good guys that have not even been drafted yet will be by the time their rookie deals are up?

Your post is weird and I don't know how to respond.

Clearly he was talking about Michael Porter not sure how you missed that.

[WindyCityBorn]

Otto Porter is great as your 4th best player. Otto Porter is horrible if you're paying him $100m and hoping he becomes one of your best players.

So you are already deciding how good guys that have not even been drafted yet will be by the time their rookie deals are up?

Your post is weird and I don't know how to respond.

I thought Otto Porter was some guy in high school, not the guy on the Wizards. I didn't realize we talking about the Bulls overpaying a free agent.

[Paxson43]

When I read that the Bulls traded Jimmy for 2 blue chip prospects on cost controlled contracts and a high lottery pick in a loaded draft my thought was "Oh great! The Bulls decided to pull the trigger and got a reasonable return. I bet RealGM must be relieved!"

And then I read this board..........

Guys......this was the right move to make, and I'm not surprised that this is the best offer that was available.

Some thoughts to ponder:

1). Dunn probably had much higher value among the Execs doing the talking than the commentariat on these boards.

2). LaVine arguably had one of the 20 highest trade values of any player in the league before his injury. Big minute, statistically prolific 21 year olds on rookie contracts are worth a lot in the NBA.

3). We picked a f******* lane!

My only real regret is that I'm a little iffy on Markkanen as a prospect. He has some bust potential.

But we finally have a roster that's entirely aligned towards one, cohesive goal.

You and I are in the minority. Regardless, we weren't winning anything with Butler and this gives Fred a legitimate shot to coach young, impressionable talent the way he wants. Best part of it all? If/when we suck for the next couple years, we will have high picks coming in while the young talent continues to develop.

[TheSuzerain]

Good trade. Jimmy couldn't even get 1 win against Bos without Rondo. Not a superstar. We have a 0% chance to beat GS the next two years. Then we have to pay him $200 million?

Finally the Bulls are proactive like we should've been with Deng and others and people are mad? SMH.

Thibs is horrible with rookies, give Dunn a chance before writing him off. Lavine is pretty good and Lauri could be great.

So happy we're not running out the same group as last year.

What rookies was Thibs horrible with?

[MC3]

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#rekt

I dont remember one guy around the league who likes Gar Forman.

[MisterRoy]

Looks like Jimmy's trainer is pissed. I imagine his is, too.

[The Senator]

Good trade. Jimmy couldn't even get 1 win against Bos without Rondo. Not a superstar. We have a 0% chance to beat GS the next two years. Then we have to pay him $200 million?

Finally the Bulls are proactive like we should've been with Deng and others and people are mad? SMH.

Thibs is horrible with rookies, give Dunn a chance before writing him off. Lavine is pretty good and Lauri could be great.

So happy we're not running out the same group as last year.

Jimmy had zero supporting cast. Asking him to will the team past the Celtics is too much.

I don't trust GarPax to build a contender, especially though a full rebuild process. At least with a star like Butler, they have a chance to attract free agents.

Do you really think that Hoiberg can unlock Dunn's potential? I don't. I liked LaVine, but he's damaged goods. Could still recover, but it's not a sure thing, and the Bulls have always been awful with injuries. Lauri seems more like he could be a bench warmer, from what I see, and I could be misreading it, the guy has massive holes in his game, and likely ends up having more of a Steve Novak-esque career than Dirk or Porzingis.

[GimmeDat]

Wow, Travelle going in! Good. Fire GarPax.