Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[greenl]

Some of it could be self-serving, to be honest. He was frustrated, no doubt about it and I agree with his frustration. But let's be honest here; not warming up with the team, cursing at coaches, disrupting film sessions and calling names to the media isn't good leadership. It comes off as selfish and that's not how you get guys to buy in.

Agree- except the warming up thing- who gives a rats behind where or how a guy warms up for a game? That seems like a petty complaint. Let's not overlook the fact that Jimmy is also not the first person to try the 'A-Hole' leadership style. Plenty of famous men have tried a similar style- Jordan (well before he won his first MVP), Steve Jobs, Trump, Zuckerburg, etc. Wouldn't want to work for any of those guys- but it's not without precedent.

[GetBuLLish]

It's so fascinating to me how easily people can be manipulated by the media. One article from KC and Jimmy has gone from team angel to team cancer.

[bennjuiced34]

Some of it could be self-serving, to be honest. He was frustrated, no doubt about it and I agree with his frustration. But let's be honest here; not warming up with the team, cursing at coaches, disrupting film sessions and calling names to the media isn't good leadership. It comes off as selfish and that's not how you get guys to buy in.

Agree- except the warming up thing- who gives a rats behind where or how a guy warms up for a game? That seems like a petty complaint. Let's not overlook the fact that Jimmy is also not the first person to try the 'A-Hole' leadership style. Plenty of famous men have tried a similar style- Jordan (well before he won his first MVP), Steve Jobs, Trump, Zuckerburg, etc. Wouldn't want to work for any of those guys- but it's not without precedent.

I think the warming up thing goes along with him not going to the team building in Napa. So it carries some weight. A-hole leaders may be effective short term, but it's not a good long term strategy. People get burnt out by that stuff and eventually, you have to learn how to positively motivate people as well. That's where he can really grow as a leader. Build people up, which Derrick actually does a really good job of (same with Jo).

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[Rerisen]

I don't want to hear about Thibs started slow in 2011 as a comparison either. Thibs had like 8 new faces on the roster.

This is the exact same roster as last year, that already knows how to play together. They aren't just smoothing out the kinks in the offense, they aren't even running the offense.

Fred writes something on the board before the game, then they go and ignore it.

This is depressing to hear much more so than Jimmy went to the media and spoke out of turn about the issue.

[bennjuiced34]

It's so fascinating to me how easily people can be manipulated by the media. One article from KC and Jimmy has gone from team angel to team cancer.

I don't think there's any manipulation. There's a pattern here where Jimmy has been a straight up **** to his teammates and coaches. No one is calling him a cancer, just reporting some of the things he's done recently.

I think Jimmy has actually gotten off pretty easy on this to be honest. If Rose had said this, good Lord. RealGM's servers may still be shut down.

[bennjuiced34]

It's so fascinating to me how easily people can be manipulated by the media. One article from KC and Jimmy has gone from team angel to team cancer.

I don't think there's any manipulation. There's a pattern here where Jimmy has been a straight up **** to his teammates and coaches. No one is calling him a cancer, just reporting some of the things he's done recently.

I think Jimmy has actually gotten off pretty easy on this to be honest. If Rose had said this, good Lord. RealGM's servers may still be shut down.

[League Circles]

I don't want to hear about Thibs started slow in 2011 as a comparison either. Thibs had like 8 new faces on the roster.

This is the exact same roster as last year, that already knows how to play together. They aren't just smoothing out the kinks in the offense, they aren't even running the offense.

Fred writes something on the board before the game, then they go and ignore it.

This is depressing to hear much more so than Jimmy went to the media and spoke out of turn about the issue.

They don't know how to play Fred's new offense together yet. All new coaches have an all new roster.

[musiqsoulchild]

Interesting quote from Butler today to the Media after Shootaround;

Butler said he's learning to be a leader. Said this is first team he's tried to be a leader on.

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Maybe these are just growing pains? I don't think Jimmy is a bad guy at all, in fact I think he's quite the opposite. I liked how he went straight to the reporters after Shootaround to address everything. At least he's not hiding from it.

This may end up being a positive if everyone gets on the same page.

I dont think Jimmy is a bad guy either.

I think he got bad advise on leadership. The coolest thing about leadership is that its given to you if you are a leader.

If you try to seize it thats not bad either. But if you try to be a leader at the COST OF YOUR FELLOW MEN (calling out their work ethic etc.) thats the WORST claim to leadership.

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Jimmy is the Captain now

[Rerisen]

They don't know how to play Fred's new offense together yet. All new coaches have an all new roster.

Executing it well is one thing, first you have to even try or want to. Don't even see that.

So far Jimmy and Pau have both complained about their usage, and Rose has said he doesn't listen to how anyone wants him to play. And that definitely shows in his whimsical performance.

That's your top 3 options, if you don't have them onboard, you have nothing. It won't work.

[BeatDaCavs420]

It's so fascinating to me how easily people can be manipulated by the media. One article from KC and Jimmy has gone from team angel to team cancer.

I think Jimmy has actually gotten off pretty easy on this to be honest. If Rose had said this, good Lord. RealGM's servers may still be shut down.

Duh Rose hasn't played a full season in IDK how long and his numbers don't deserve him to have any type of talk like this...So yes Rose would be foolish to make any type of comments like this

[musiqsoulchild]

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Nicely done Fred.

Always keep it kosher when discussing family to outsiders. Especially to outsiders who are getting paid to then take your words and print them for the world to see.

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Hoiberg is ready to demand more.

Seems like Jimmy got his mission accomplished, no matter how much of a Bull in a china shop method he used.

[bennjuiced34]

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Nicely done Fred.

Always keep it kosher when discussing family to outsiders. Especially to outsiders who are getting paid to then take your words and print them for the world to see.

Yeah that was a pretty mild presser. Don't give the media too much to chew on, but I would imagine there was much more discussed; both positive and negative, that we'll never hear about.

Fred is actually pretty good with the media. Keeps things balanced.

[Rerisen]

Fred is actually pretty good with the media. Keeps things balanced.

Jimmy: Bad cop

Fred: Good cop.

Hopefully it leads to a positive result.

[musiqsoulchild]

Thats not true at all.

Doug, Noah, Niko, Taj, Pau, Brooks, Kirk, Rose, Snell ---- all of these players have at some point in time in the 25 games thus far been asked to SIGNIFICANTLY change:

1) Their role ( Noah, Taj, Niko)
2) Their defensive assignment ( Noah, Pau, Taj)
3) The offense and how its run ( Rose, Noah, Pau)
4) The role on offense ( Doug and Snell have green light to shoot the 3. Rose doesnt.)

Some of these changes have been ADDITIONS to their 2014 season roles. Some have been DELETIONS from their 2014 role. And some have been MODIFICATIONS to their 2014 roles.

Thats all Hoiberg.

This isnt politics - Fred doesnt have to advertise that he is doing such and such with celebratory anectodes and coaching cliches. He is his own man - he will coach the way he knows how.He will communicate the way he knows how. He will lead the way he knows how.

What he knows is what he was hired for. What he knows is what made him a hot commodity in the NBA coaching market, before we were able to lock him up for 5 years.

What does any of that have to do with executing the coach's game plan? Nothing.

Fred has power to make the rotation, duh, it isn't getting better teammwork or buy in though than the last guy who got fired for it.

Team has better health than last year, more experienced young players, and supposedly a better system and usage of players and is on pace for less wins. Jimmy clearly sees that and that is why he is upset.

Fred has changed rotations, minutes, roles, usage, type of shot to take --- for several players.

That doesnt happen if "No one is listening".

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Fred has changed rotations, minutes, roles, usage, type of shot to take --- for several players.

That doesnt happen if "No one is listening".

He has control over all of that except, shot type, and I disagree they are listening to that.

It's not like Niko can say, "I refuse to leave the starting lineup."

[musiqsoulchild]

Hoiberg is ready to demand more.

Seems like Jimmy got his mission accomplished, no matter how much of a Bull in a china shop method he used.

You actually believe what Fred said?

Come on now.....

That was about as sanitized a press comment as there is. Straight from the assembly line of coaching cliches, boxed and packaged in glittery PC.

[Rerisen]

Hoiberg is ready to demand more.

Seems like Jimmy got his mission accomplished, no matter how much of a Bull in a china shop method he used.

You actually believe what Fred said?

That he said it gives a concession to Jimmy, now people will watch and see if he backs it up.

That's the power of a max contract player, like I told you yesterday.