Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[League Circles]

I just looked at the history of #4 in this era. You have about a 20-30% of drafting a player at 4 who is better than Jrue Holiday.

That is such an arbitrary thing, limiting yourself to the #4 slot only. You're better off looking at if there are 4 players in the lottery better than Jrue Holiday. That's almost yes every time, and sometimes by a lot, and again worth the gamble.

I dont get how you could think that trading our pick for an injury prone, mediocre PG who has 4 years left on his deal and gets paid $26M+ each year is a good idea. It's not, and you probably have realized that but want to keep arguing about it.

Oh I don't doubt that a player will be available at 4 who will become better than Holiday. I just think most teams will fail to identify the player, including the Bulls. That's why #4 isn't arbitrary. It bakes in the difficulty identifying the player.

Jrue is hardly more injury prone than an average player, and again, has 3 years, not 4 left on his deal.

Holiday is a good starter, which is 2-3 tiers above "mediocre PG".

I'll be damned if there are "almost always" 4 players better than Holiday in the top 14 picks of historical drafts. Please make lists of drafts and show me this to be the case.

[cjbulls]

I just looked at the history of #4 in this era. You have about a 20-30% of drafting a player at 4 who is better than Jrue Holiday.

That is such an arbitrary thing, limiting yourself to the #4 slot only. You're better off looking at if there are 4 players in the lottery better than Jrue Holiday. That's almost yes every time, and sometimes by a lot, and again worth the gamble.

I dont get how you could think that trading our pick for an injury prone, mediocre PG who has 4 years left on his deal and gets paid $26M+ each year is a good idea. It's not, and you probably have realized that but want to keep arguing about it.

Oh I don't doubt that a player will be available at 4 who will become better than Holiday. I just think most teams will fail to identify the player, including the Bulls. That's why #4 isn't arbitrary. It bakes in the difficulty identifying the player.

Jrue is hardly more injury prone than an average player, and again, has 3 years, not 4 left on his deal.

Holiday is a good starter, which is 2-3 tiers above "mediocre PG".

I'll be damned if there are "almost always" 4 players better than Holiday in the top 14 picks of historical drafts. Please make lists of drafts and show me this to be the case.

Fair point, but you're downplaying the 3/78 Jrue is owed vs the 4 (or 5)/25 the rookie will be paid.

[AKfanatic]

Oops wrong thread....

[sco]

My question is can we use Dunn and (not the 37 pick) second round to dump Felicio? Extra cap space is gonna be big for us.

[League Circles]

My question is can we use Dunn and (not the 37 pick) second round to dump Felicio? Extra cap space is gonna be big for us.

IMO, probably not. I'm not sure what the cap space outlook for all the teams is this summer, but I have a hard time seeing a team choose to spend effectively like $13 million in cap space for one year of Kris Dunn. I do think he has value, but not like that.

[sco]

My question is can we use Dunn and (not the 37 pick) second round to dump Felicio? Extra cap space is gonna be big for us.

IMO, probably not. I'm not sure what the cap space outlook for all the teams is this summer, but I have a hard time seeing a team choose to spend effectively like $13 million in cap space for one year of Kris Dunn. I do think he has value, but not like that.

You are probably right, I will remain optimistic though.

[Nikola]

If Ja is off the board and Barrett is available...

Barrett and Hutch or Val to Atl for 5 and 7.

Take White/Garland and Hunter.

[musiqsoulchild]

My question is can we use Dunn and (not the 37 pick) second round to dump Felicio? Extra cap space is gonna be big for us.

IMO, probably not. I'm not sure what the cap space outlook for all the teams is this summer, but I have a hard time seeing a team choose to spend effectively like $13 million in cap space for one year of Kris Dunn. I do think he has value, but not like that.

I agree with you.

Thats why, ideally, I'd like to combine the Felicio + Dunn for a very good PG on a bloated contract. That will eat up our cap space, but thats kind of the point.

[Nikola]

My question is can we use Dunn and (not the 37 pick) second round to dump Felicio? Extra cap space is gonna be big for us.

IMO, probably not. I'm not sure what the cap space outlook for all the teams is this summer, but I have a hard time seeing a team choose to spend effectively like $13 million in cap space for one year of Kris Dunn. I do think he has value, but not like that.

I agree with you.

Thats why, ideally, I'd like to combine the Felicio + Dunn for a very good PG on a bloated contract. That will eat up our cap space, but thats kind of the point.

Holiday, Conley, maybe McCollum as a PG if Portland makes a first round exit. If the Bulls went this route things would turn around immediately. There is enough young talent to want to turn in around.

[musiqsoulchild]

IMO, probably not. I'm not sure what the cap space outlook for all the teams is this summer, but I have a hard time seeing a team choose to spend effectively like $13 million in cap space for one year of Kris Dunn. I do think he has value, but not like that.

I agree with you.

Thats why, ideally, I'd like to combine the Felicio + Dunn for a very good PG on a bloated contract. That will eat up our cap space, but thats kind of the point.

Holiday, Conley, maybe McCollum as a PG if Portland makes a first round exit. If the Bulls went this route things would turn around immediately. There is enough young talent to want to turn in around.

This is EXACTLY what I have been clamoring for. We are wasting a year if we still have Dunn starting next season at PG.

[League Circles]

I really doubt that we can get Connelly or holiday for essentially paying Kristen 13 million dollars next year. Those point guards are actually very good despite their high price tags. It's possible but I doubt it. I think we're going to have to trade our draft pick to get one of them. Which I would consider.

[TheSuzerain]

Why was the Lonzo Ball thread locked?

[sco]

My question is can we use Dunn and (not the 37 pick) second round to dump Felicio? Extra cap space is gonna be big for us.

IMO, probably not. I'm not sure what the cap space outlook for all the teams is this summer, but I have a hard time seeing a team choose to spend effectively like $13 million in cap space for one year of Kris Dunn. I do think he has value, but not like that.

Ok - plan B. Dunn plus 37th pick for a pick in the early 20's?

[League Circles]

My question is can we use Dunn and (not the 37 pick) second round to dump Felicio? Extra cap space is gonna be big for us.

IMO, probably not. I'm not sure what the cap space outlook for all the teams is this summer, but I have a hard time seeing a team choose to spend effectively like $13 million in cap space for one year of Kris Dunn. I do think he has value, but not like that.

Ok - plan B. Dunn plus 37th pick for a pick in the early 20's?

For myself I wouldn't even consider that. I'd need a late lottery pick, a real player returned in trade, or be able to dump the salaries of Felicio, Valentine, Blakeney and maybe Hutchison to give up Dunn. I wouldn't say I'm high on Dunn, but I've always been very low on draft picks.

[StunnerKO]

Wanted this man for 5 freaking years Bulls need to get on it

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[Davell]

In no way, shape, or form, is Kris Dunn bringing back anything resembling a lotto pick. I don't even think you can get Felicio moved, if he's all that's being sent to cancel it out.

Plenty of guys can come in and do what he's done. He's a backup PG for any playoff team or team nearing that window.

If we want to move him, to draft a guy and to sign a vet...... I'd expect a couple of 2nds or maybe a move up from the Memphis pick to the tail end of the 1st or top end of the 2nd.

He's just not got value of any true sense.

[sco]

In no way, shape, or form, is Kris Dunn bringing back anything resembling a lotto pick. I don't even think you can get Felicio moved, if he's all that's being sent to cancel it out.

Plenty of guys can come in and do what he's done. He's a backup PG for any playoff team or team nearing that window.

If we want to move him, to draft a guy and to sign a vet...... I'd expect a couple of 2nds or maybe a move up from the Memphis pick to the tail end of the 1st or top end of the 2nd.

He's just not got value of any true sense.

SPOT ON!

Teams that may see SOME value in him, depending on Draft / FA movement:
MIA
WAS
MEM
MIL

[sco]

Wanted this man for 5 freaking years Bulls need to get on it

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Agree, but isn't he a FA?

[StunnerKO]

Wanted this man for 5 freaking years Bulls need to get on it

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Agree, but isn't he a FA?

Yea he’ll be one this offseason

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Simple trade that I think makes a lot of sense.

Bulls trade Dunn

Phx trades 32nd pick

For the Bulls, it clears some salary for free agency, allowing them to make a really strong offer to someone like Brogdon, and they’ll now have the 32nd pick and the 37th pick, combine the two and maybe trade up to the late 20s. Or trade both for the $$$ for Rein$dorf, idk.