OT- The Last Dance documentary

[The 6ft Hurdle]

Would Grant leave if the Bulls were champions?

For what I've read here, he left because of money... But would someone leave if the middle of a super dynasty?

And funny what if... What if Jordan didn't retire... could those 94 Bulls be the 72 win team? I doubt it but that's the year we got Longley, Kukoc and Kerr. And the best years of Pippen and Grant. Still... Armstrong in the point guard seems a level down from Ron Harper and we would have less rebounding and more scoring on the PF position.

Years ago I heard Grant say in an interview that if he knew Jordan was going to come back he never would have left. Who knows if that'd actually be the case, but like you said, very few people leave dynasty-level teams.

Mental fatigue aside, I think there'd be a good chance that 93-94 Bulls + Jordan would win 70 games. I mean, without Jordan they won 55 games and I think you can make a case that MJ is worth an additional 15 wins. That team was the perfect blend of the old dynasty guys but was rejuvenated a bit with guys like Kerr, Wennington, and Longley. Harper's definitely better defensively than BJ, but prime BJ Armstrong is a better overall player than 96 Harper. The depth on that team with Jordan would just be insane:

C. Cartwright/Longley/Perdue
PF.Grant/S.Williams/Wennington/Blount
SF.Pippen/Kukoc/Buechler
SG.Jordan/Myers?
PG.Armstrong/Kerr/Paxson

That team just seems so dangerous.

If that were a straight NBA 2K simulation built on pure number crunching then yes. But the documentary just highlighted how completely burnt out MJ was. We went from 62 to 67 to 57 wins. Sustaining such focus for such a long time against other humans doing their absolute best to knock you down to size gets tiring.

If anything it seems like the 93-94 team felt freer without MJ **** everyone around and they supremely overachieved. I remember seeing bits of the '94 all-star game seeing BJ Armstrong and thinking that fans were so desperate to see a shooting guard from Chicago. BJ wasn't really doing anything different than what he'd done for '93 team other than getting a few more shots. If MJ was still there there would've been no way he'd make the allstar team.

[dice]

Would Grant leave if the Bulls were champions?

For what I've read here, he left because of money... But would someone leave if the middle of a super dynasty?

And funny what if... What if Jordan didn't retire... could those 94 Bulls be the 72 win team? I doubt it but that's the year we got Longley, Kukoc and Kerr. And the best years of Pippen and Grant. Still... Armstrong in the point guard seems a level down from Ron Harper and we would have less rebounding and more scoring on the PF position.

Years ago I heard Grant say in an interview that if he knew Jordan was going to come back he never would have left. Who knows if that'd actually be the case, but like you said, very few people leave dynasty-level teams.

Mental fatigue aside, I think there'd be a good chance that 93-94 Bulls + Jordan would win 70 games. I mean, without Jordan they won 55 games and I think you can make a case that MJ is worth an additional 15 wins. That team was the perfect blend of the old dynasty guys but was rejuvenated a bit with guys like Kerr, Wennington, and Longley. Harper's definitely better defensively than BJ, but prime BJ Armstrong is a better overall player than 96 Harper. The depth on that team with Jordan would just be insane:

C. Cartwright/Longley/Perdue
PF.Grant/S.Williams/Wennington/Blount
SF.Pippen/Kukoc/Buechler
SG.Jordan/Myers?
PG.Armstrong/Kerr/Paxson

That team just seems so dangerous.

If that were a straight NBA 2K simulation built on pure number crunching then yes. But the documentary just highlighted how completely burnt out MJ was. We went from 62 to 67 to 57 wins. Sustaining such focus for such a long time against other humans doing their absolute best to knock you down to size gets tiring.

If anything it seems like the 93-94 team felt freer without MJ **** everyone around and they supremely overachieved. I remember seeing bits of the '94 all-star game seeing BJ Armstrong and thinking that fans were so desperate to see a shooting guard from Chicago. BJ wasn't really doing anything different than what he'd done for '93 team other than getting a few more shots. If MJ was still there there would've been no way he'd make the allstar team.

the significant changes in '93-94 were that scottie and horace improved and there were minor upgrades from trent tucker to steve kerr and rodney mccray to kukoc. kukoc wasn't very good his rookie year, but he was better than freaking mccray

trent tucker, by the way, was responsible for the rule that you need 0.3 seconds to get off a shot:

Watch on YouTube

i remember that game

[prolific passer]

Years ago I heard Grant say in an interview that if he knew Jordan was going to come back he never would have left. Who knows if that'd actually be the case, but like you said, very few people leave dynasty-level teams.

Mental fatigue aside, I think there'd be a good chance that 93-94 Bulls + Jordan would win 70 games. I mean, without Jordan they won 55 games and I think you can make a case that MJ is worth an additional 15 wins. That team was the perfect blend of the old dynasty guys but was rejuvenated a bit with guys like Kerr, Wennington, and Longley. Harper's definitely better defensively than BJ, but prime BJ Armstrong is a better overall player than 96 Harper. The depth on that team with Jordan would just be insane:

C. Cartwright/Longley/Perdue
PF.Grant/S.Williams/Wennington/Blount
SF.Pippen/Kukoc/Buechler
SG.Jordan/Myers?
PG.Armstrong/Kerr/Paxson

That team just seems so dangerous.

If that were a straight NBA 2K simulation built on pure number crunching then yes. But the documentary just highlighted how completely burnt out MJ was. We went from 62 to 67 to 57 wins. Sustaining such focus for such a long time against other humans doing their absolute best to knock you down to size gets tiring.

If anything it seems like the 93-94 team felt freer without MJ **** everyone around and they supremely overachieved. I remember seeing bits of the '94 all-star game seeing BJ Armstrong and thinking that fans were so desperate to see a shooting guard from Chicago. BJ wasn't really doing anything different than what he'd done for '93 team other than getting a few more shots. If MJ was still there there would've been no way he'd make the allstar team.

the significant changes in '93-94 were that scottie and horace improved and there were minor upgrades from trent tucker to steve kerr and rodney mccray to kukoc. kukoc wasn't very good his rookie year, but he was better than freaking mccray

trent tucker, by the way, was responsible for the rule that you need 0.3 seconds to get off a shot:

Watch on YouTube

i remember that game

I know Kukoc wasn't good defensively his rookie season but he did give the bulls double digit points off the bench and knocked down the game winners.

[HomoSapien]

Speaking of Kukoc, the NBA just released a Kukoc highlight reel. There's not too many good Kukoc mixes on YouTube so I'm glad they finally did this. This guy is so criminally underrated.

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[johnnyvann840]

Speaking of Kukoc, the NBA just released a Kukoc highlight reel. There's not too many good Kukoc mixes on YouTube so I'm glad they finally did this. This guy is so criminally underrated.

Watch on YouTube

Thanks for posting this. He would have thrived in today's game. Not many 7 footers can move, handle and pass like Toni and with the way the game is called today and the spacing and less physicality of the game now, Toni would have just shined even more now than he did then. Almost like a 7 foot Luka. He would have been so great in PnR game with so many of today's stars.

[prolific passer]

Kukoc could have been a good #2 guy for the bulls rebuild if they had a legit #1 at the time.

[MrSparkle]

Speaking of Kukoc, the NBA just released a Kukoc highlight reel. There's not too many good Kukoc mixes on YouTube so I'm glad they finally did this. This guy is so criminally underrated.

Watch on YouTube

Thanks for posting this. He would have thrived in today's game. Not many 7 footers can move, handle and pass like Toni and with the way the game is called today and the spacing and less physicality of the game now, Toni would have just shined even more now than he did then. Almost like a 7 foot Luka. He would have been so great in PnR game with so many of today's stars.

Crazy thing is the Bulls haven't drafted a player remotely close to Toni since Toni... in an era where Toni would've thrived.

Not one tweener PF/SF point-forward with a 3P shot, handles or a passing game. Pretty crazy!

I know they don't grow on trees, but B-tier players with such skills have been available (Gallinari, Diaw, etc.).

Deng was kind of within that concept, except he had sloppier handles than a Sloppy Joe sandwich. JJ never really figured out his potential.

[dice]

#1 thing that this documentary has restored to my memory: rik smits having shaved his head

[MrSparkle]

#1 thing that this documentary has restored to my memory: rik smits having shaved his head

And Mullin. Was not a good look for them.

But man , that Pacers team was as good a depth chart as it gets with no MVP type #1. I think they would’ve beaten Utah if MJ wasn’t around.

[Big Pippen]

#1 thing that this documentary has restored to my memory: rik smits having shaved his head

And Mullin. Was not a good look for them.

But man , that Pacers team was as good a depth chart as it gets with no MVP type #1. I think they would’ve beaten Utah if MJ wasn’t around.

Ha. White guys should be excluded from NBA teams shaving their heads for the playoffs. Smits lost all his power, without his mullet.

Not only were those Pacers teams as good as you can be without a star, but they all complimented themselves so well. Smits could score in the post and pick and pop, the Davis forwards were as physical and tough a combo as the league had, Reggie could score all day, Best was quick, Rose had youth and swagger... just some really fun teams. Its too bad they had one of my least favorite players of all time (Marc Jackson). But even Reggie was fun to hate and root against.

[JordansBulls]

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[dice]

#1 thing that this documentary has restored to my memory: rik smits having shaved his head

And Mullin. Was not a good look for them.

But man , that Pacers team was as good a depth chart as it gets with no MVP type #1. I think they would’ve beaten Utah if MJ wasn’t around.

Ha. White guys should be excluded from NBA teams shaving their heads for the playoffs. Smits lost all his power, without his mullet.

Not only were those Pacers teams as good as you can be without a star, but they all complimented themselves so well. Smits could score in the post and pick and pop, the Davis forwards were as physical and tough a combo as the league had, Reggie could score all day, Best was quick, Rose had youth and swagger... just some really fun teams. Its too bad they had one of my least favorite players of all time (Marc Jackson). But even Reggie was fun to hate and root against.

i couldn't hate a guy that knicks fans hated

[dice]

apparently...some stuff got cut out about horace's relationship w/ MJ:

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[dice]

for those who haven't seen it...or those in need of a little levity:

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[ATRAIN53]

SNL should rerun that MJ episode this Saturday

I love that skit with Franken.
His whole monologue from SNL here-

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/michael-jordan-monologue/n10090
This has the douche commercial that still cracks me up today....

"Mr Jordan have you ever had that Not So Fresh Feeling".....

I listened to this last week-
Spade talking about MJ's SNL hosting-

https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2020-05-12-david-spade-recalls-michael-jordan-hosting-saturday-night-live-in-1991/

I can't even watch the Phil Hartman one with the Globetrotters
The more time passes the more I miss Hartman. He was awesome.

[FriedRise]

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[RSP83]

Speaking of Kukoc, the NBA just released a Kukoc highlight reel. There's not too many good Kukoc mixes on YouTube so I'm glad they finally did this. This guy is so criminally underrated.

Watch on YouTube

Toni was an essential part of that second three-peat team. He accepted his role and was perfect for that team as the low key no. 3 player (although there was really no clear no. 3 player on that team). If somebody from the future watched reruns of Bulls 96-98 games, they probably heard of MJ and Pippen, but who is this Kukoc guy? Toni was a really good player.

[erlim]

Listen, I know I am preaching to the choir here, but I just needed to say, Channing Frye is an absolute idiot-clown-bum.