2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[chitowndish]

I like both Vassell and Haliburton but if we get a SF without a PG I feel like everyone will still look like crap but we wont be bad enough to get a pick next year which seems like a much better draft. if we can get a capable PG we raise the value of everyone on this team and can maybe trade one of them into a pick next year. I'd still go for Vassell and Haliburton if I can or if we can get a good vet PG I'd be really happy with Vassell but if I can only get one I go for the PG because that improves the value of a lot of guys on the team.

[holv03]

Devin Vassell is a sleeper pick. I believe this kid could actually become a very good player at the next level. He is 6'7 and he has a 6'10 wingspan. A good shooter, good defense and he is very athletic.

He isn't really a sleeper pick. He's mocked in the mid lottery in many mocks. People know his skillset will fit well as a good complimentary piece in the NBA. AK has picked a FSU guard before in the past as well and they turned out to be a pretty nice complimentary piece.

I believe he got top 5 potential that is why I call him a sleeper pick.

[logical_art]

None of these guys looks exciting. Am I missing anything? Seems like a bad year to finally get good luck in the lottery.

[PaKii94]

I like both Vassell and Haliburton but if we get a SF without a PG I feel like everyone will still look like crap but we wont be bad enough to get a pick next year which seems like a much better draft. if we can get a capable PG we raise the value of everyone on this team and can maybe trade one of them into a pick next year. I'd still go for Vassell and Haliburton if I can or if we can get a good vet PG I'd be really happy with Vassell but if I can only get one I go for the PG because that improves the value of a lot of guys on the team.

I don't think Hali's ball handling/offensive game is good enough to be a primary ball handler the majority of the time (which is what this team needs). I see him as an excellent secondary playmaker but that again will be wasted on this team

[SfBull]

None of these guys looks exciting. Am I missing anything? Seems like a bad year to finally get good luck in the lottery.

You may be missing AK/Eversley's abilities for finding sleepers or making some bold pick looking for BPA.They seem to be less conservative than GarPax.

[chitowndish]

I don't think Hali's ball handling/offensive game is good enough to be a primary ball handler the majority of the time (which is what this team needs). I see him as an excellent secondary playmaker but that again will be wasted on this team

I see him as a primary playmaker and ball handler but secondary offensive threat (but one that could score whenever left open) which I think is perfectly fine for a PG and perfect for this team because we have plenty of offensive weapons with (on average) low BBIQ. I agree that in a vaccum Vassell is probably the more valuable player but I think Hali fits this team perfect and raises the value of a lot of guys and just think next draft and trading some of our guys either into that draft or consolidating is more important than getting the best possible guy in this draft. Again if we can get a good PG I'm good with Vassell but if not I'd say getting a talented SF and rolling with our existing PG's would not move the needle because those PG's still don't know how to get people the ball which would now just become guys that don't know how to get Vassell the ball.

[BullsFTW]

Makes sense. I was kind of scared of the Warriors at #2 because I figured if Wiseman isn't the truth they'd sniff it out. As long as one of Obi, Lamelo or Deni is there at 4 we should be okay.

If that’s the case, Edwards will be the first pick and I think Charlotte will draft Wiseman. It’s either Hayes or Ball for the Bulls, but I’d rather have Hayes.

Between those two I'd take Ball. They're pretty even on a lot of metrics but Hayes is a little turnover prone and Ball is an elite rebounder.

Ball’s shooting scares me, and Hayes has a better and smoother form.

[cjbulls]

None of these guys looks exciting. Am I missing anything? Seems like a bad year to finally get good luck in the lottery.

You are correct. This feels a lot like 2013 (Anthony Bennett draft). There ended up being some good hits, but a lot of misses.

[cjbulls]

I like both Vassell and Haliburton but if we get a SF without a PG I feel like everyone will still look like crap but we wont be bad enough to get a pick next year which seems like a much better draft. if we can get a capable PG we raise the value of everyone on this team and can maybe trade one of them into a pick next year. I'd still go for Vassell and Haliburton if I can or if we can get a good vet PG I'd be really happy with Vassell but if I can only get one I go for the PG because that improves the value of a lot of guys on the team.

I don't think Hali's ball handling/offensive game is good enough to be a primary ball handler the majority of the time (which is what this team needs). I see him as an excellent secondary playmaker but that again will be wasted on this team

So in the scenario where they find that player, who goes, Zach or Coby?

[Grodoboldo]

I like both Vassell and Haliburton but if we get a SF without a PG I feel like everyone will still look like crap but we wont be bad enough to get a pick next year which seems like a much better draft. if we can get a capable PG we raise the value of everyone on this team and can maybe trade one of them into a pick next year. I'd still go for Vassell and Haliburton if I can or if we can get a good vet PG I'd be really happy with Vassell but if I can only get one I go for the PG because that improves the value of a lot of guys on the team.

I don't think Hali's ball handling/offensive game is good enough to be a primary ball handler the majority of the time (which is what this team needs). I see him as an excellent secondary playmaker but that again will be wasted on this team

So in the scenario where they find that player, who goes, Zach or Coby?

I wouldn't worry about that just yet, we're so bad that adding talent is all that matters. Also, 96 minutes between the guards spots is enough for 3 players.

[Ugly Duckling]

I like what I'm seeing from Aaron Nesmith

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

If that’s the case, Edwards will be the first pick and I think Charlotte will draft Wiseman. It’s either Hayes or Ball for the Bulls, but I’d rather have Hayes.

Between those two I'd take Ball. They're pretty even on a lot of metrics but Hayes is a little turnover prone and Ball is an elite rebounder.

Ball’s shooting scares me, and Hayes has a better and smoother form.

Lamelo's shooting is an open question. In any case I think he's a better shooter than Lonzo. Which doesn't necessarily make him good but not completely laughable.

[kulaz3000]

Between those two I'd take Ball. They're pretty even on a lot of metrics but Hayes is a little turnover prone and Ball is an elite rebounder.

Ball’s shooting scares me, and Hayes has a better and smoother form.

Lamelo's shooting is an open question. In any case I think he's a better shooter than Lonzo. Which doesn't necessarily make him good but not completely laughable.

I'd take someone who is a little more turnover prone, but isn't a total liability on the offensive end. Teams won't need to guard Ball, whereas with Hayes you need to at the very least respect his shot.

I take Hayes.

[cjbulls]

I don't think Hali's ball handling/offensive game is good enough to be a primary ball handler the majority of the time (which is what this team needs). I see him as an excellent secondary playmaker but that again will be wasted on this team

So in the scenario where they find that player, who goes, Zach or Coby?

I wouldn't worry about that just yet, we're so bad that adding talent is all that matters. Also, 96 minutes between the guards spots is enough for 3 players.

Normally I'd agree, but Pakii specifically wanted someone who was the primary ball handler the majority of the time. You cannot use 96 minutes on 3 players who all want/need to be the primary ball handler the majority of the time.

The advantage of Haliburton is that he is not ball dominant so he can blend in well with the other two. Whereas a Ball type will create strain on the offense (and development of all three)

[Grodoboldo]

So in the scenario where they find that player, who goes, Zach or Coby?

I wouldn't worry about that just yet, we're so bad that adding talent is all that matters. Also, 96 minutes between the guards spots is enough for 3 players.

Normally I'd agree, but Pakii specifically wanted someone who was the primary ball handler the majority of the time. You cannot use 96 minutes on 3 players who all want/need to be the primary ball handler the majority of the time.

The advantage of Haliburton is that he is not ball dominant so he can blend in well with the other two. Whereas a Ball type will create strain on the offense (and development of all three)

I think Hali is a safer pick than Ball, I just see very little bust risk with him. Having said that, I think him learning to be a primary creator is almost as long of a shot as Ball becoming an efficient scorer. He's definitely among the guys that I wouldn't be mad if we chose.

[PaKii94]

So in the scenario where they find that player, who goes, Zach or Coby?

I wouldn't worry about that just yet, we're so bad that adding talent is all that matters. Also, 96 minutes between the guards spots is enough for 3 players.

Normally I'd agree, but Pakii specifically wanted someone who was the primary ball handler the majority of the time. You cannot use 96 minutes on 3 players who all want/need to be the primary ball handler the majority of the time.

The advantage of Haliburton is that he is not ball dominant so he can blend in well with the other two. Whereas a Ball type will create strain on the offense (and development of all three)

I'm not advocating at all for ball. I just like vassell first and Hali second. I think Coby can be a decent playmaker won't rule him out yet. I want the ball out of zach's hands unless he's finishing plays/scoring so we need ball dominance. Last year we had the blend in sato and you saw what happened (though the offensive system didn't help)

[Red8911]

None of these guys looks exciting. Am I missing anything? Seems like a bad year to finally get good luck in the lottery.

You may be missing AK/Eversley's abilities for finding sleepers or making some bold pick looking for BPA.They seem to be less conservative than GarPax.

AK has yet to make any roster moves yet how does he seem less conservative ? AK never had a big job like this so this is pretty much his first draft where he is making the decision. Also Gar/Pax were terrible at everything except drafting, they found some good talent over the years.

[wonderboy2]

I like Haliburton if he was around the 8-9 pick but not number 4. He’s Malcolm Brogdon lite. Malcolm has better handles and can shoot it off the dribble better and is way stronger. I mean I think he will be better than Sato right out the gate though. Haliburton is a guy that’s not agressive and is very passive. We have to many passive players in the bulls already. The bulls need more aggressive players.

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Ball’s shooting scares me, and Hayes has a better and smoother form.

Lamelo's shooting is an open question. In any case I think he's a better shooter than Lonzo. Which doesn't necessarily make him good but not completely laughable.

I'd take someone who is a little more turnover prone, but isn't a total liability on the offensive end. Teams won't need to guard Ball, whereas with Hayes you need to at the very least respect his shot.

I take Hayes.

Ball is far from a liability on the offensive end. He's a legit scorer. The question is if he can catch & shoot well enough to keep the floor spread. With our miniscule sample size the answer is maybe. I want to see how he does in workouts.

Btw I'm not pushing for Ball. My draft board for the Bulls goes Toppin, Ball, Avdija, Hayes in that order. I'm open to discussing them all since we have so little to go on this year.

[drosereturn]

Devin Vassell is a sleeper pick. I believe this kid could actually become a very good player at the next level. He is 6'7 and he has a 6'10 wingspan. A good shooter, good defense and he is very athletic.

He isn't really a sleeper pick. He's mocked in the mid lottery in many mocks. People know his skillset will fit well as a good complimentary piece in the NBA. AK has picked a FSU guard before in the past as well and they turned out to be a pretty nice complimentary piece.

I believe he got top 5 potential that is why I call him a sleeper pick.

He has top 5 upside but wont be picked that high. Which is why trading down and somehow getting hands on Hali and Vassell would be the best scenario bc Deni, Hayes are going to be taken first.