Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition

[HomoSapien]

As of now, little trade market exists for LaVine, who has fully recovered from his foot surgery in March and is having a normal offseason. And it’s clear that attaching an asset just for the sake of moving him wouldn’t be consistent with the new direction management has chosen.

“We expect Zach being fully healthy. And he is healthy. I think he can help this group next year. He’s been professional,” Karnišovas said. “Again, he’s healthy. We expect him to be with us at the start of training camp.”

Management is convinced LaVine’s injury issues contributed to his slow start to last season at a time the entire time struggled out of the gate. Perhaps overly optimistically, management is counting on LaVine to return to a young core and style of play for Donovan and not limit the growth of new core pieces like Coby White, Williams and Giddey.

Management also expects Ball to be at training camp and see where his recovery goes from there.

This isn’t to say LaVine won’t be traded. It’s to say the Bulls won’t make a bad trade just to move him.

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-news/bulls-management-talks-demar-derozan-zach-lavine-direction-of-franchise/576823/

We have to rehabilitate Zach LaVine's value. If we aren't able to get a first-round pick for him, then it's an organizational failure. This is a guy who is capable of averaging 27ppg on fantastic shooting. Bulls also need to be paying someone to write fluff piece after fluff piece about how professional Zach is, how much of a great teammate he is, how much of a hard worker he is, how determined he is to prove doubters wrong (all this is pretty much true btw). Right now, the only story the Bulls have sold to the world is that they can't wait to get rid of him. It's absolutely the wrong message.

They need to be doing the same with Vuc, btw. He has not been mentioned once this off-season by AKME. Start talking this dude up. "We love him. We love what he brings. He's a consummate teammate. Very savvy and underrated offensively. We expect a big year from him." Sell the BS!

[PistolP]

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They have some salaries that can match in Powell, Tucker, Mann, Westbrook and Hyland.

[kulaz3000]

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They have some salaries that can match in Powell, Tucker, Mann, Westbrook and Hyland.

In that case, we better bring in a third team, because none of those players I'd want on the team. Not that they are bad, but they play positions we already have young talent at. PJ Tucker perhaps as a big man veteran to give us some leadership? And if there is a trade in the works with the Clippers we better be getting a first round pick in return also, because that 2030 or 2031 first round pick would be mighty sweet. Unlikely to happen though, they are pretty screwed as a franchise, considering their best player is never available to play.

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls can't take back 4 or 5 players they'd have to cut 3 o4 4 loose, they've got at least 12 right now. And I don't think PJ Tucker is the PF they want to bring in nor does OLD PJ really see the Bulls as a great destination.

But

It's Joe Cowley saying watch the Clippers less than 48 hours after he posted the story about how there's no trade market for Zach or Vuc. Short term memory loss with Joe?

[MrSparkle]

As of now, little trade market exists for LaVine, who has fully recovered from his foot surgery in March and is having a normal offseason. And it’s clear that attaching an asset just for the sake of moving him wouldn’t be consistent with the new direction management has chosen.

“We expect Zach being fully healthy. And he is healthy. I think he can help this group next year. He’s been professional,” Karnišovas said. “Again, he’s healthy. We expect him to be with us at the start of training camp.”

Management is convinced LaVine’s injury issues contributed to his slow start to last season at a time the entire time struggled out of the gate. Perhaps overly optimistically, management is counting on LaVine to return to a young core and style of play for Donovan and not limit the growth of new core pieces like Coby White, Williams and Giddey.

Management also expects Ball to be at training camp and see where his recovery goes from there.

This isn’t to say LaVine won’t be traded. It’s to say the Bulls won’t make a bad trade just to move him.

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-news/bulls-management-talks-demar-derozan-zach-lavine-direction-of-franchise/576823/

We have to rehabilitate Zach LaVine's value. If we aren't able to get a first-round pick for him, then it's an organizational failure. This is a guy who is capable of averaging 27ppg on fantastic shooting. Bulls also need to be paying someone to write fluff piece after fluff piece about how professional Zach is, how much of a great teammate he is, how much of a hard worker he is, how determined he is to prove doubters wrong (all this is pretty much true btw). Right now, the only story the Bulls have sold to the world is that they can't wait to get rid of him. It's absolutely the wrong message.

They need to be doing the same with Vuc, btw. He has not been mentioned once this off-season by AKME. Start talking this dude up. "We love him. We love what he brings. He's a consummate teammate. Very savvy and underrated offensively. We expect a big year from him." Sell the BS!

As much as I want to rehab Zach's value, there's that risk he just re-injures himself and needs actual rehab, again. A decision beyond my pay grade. All I know is you're running equal risks with either route. If you can work out a deal that's on par with the Caruso or Demar "settlements," those are "get out of jail cards." Meaning, salary relief. Clippers can make it happen, but with KPJ and Harden, Zach is not a good fit. Still, I could see them just desperate for some scoring depth with PG gone.

Zach for PJ, Powell, Westbrook, Brown, Coffey & cash compensation works salary wise. You can buy out Russ and PJ, or actually try to move them for a TPE. The only teams eligible for PJ's $11.5M are Memphis ($12.6M from the Steven Adams dump) and Washington (Gafford $12.4M). Many teams have $4M for Russ, or you can try to swap for some Denver contract. Or just buy them out, since we don't have roster spots any way. At this point, these guys are more-so waiver wire pickups. But you could sooner hold these pieces and sell high then hoping Zach gets some miracle return (multiple FRPs? A lotto pick? I dunno- I don't see it).

[WindyCityBorn]

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They have some salaries that can match in Powell, Tucker, Mann, Westbrook and Hyland.

And no players we want.

[WindyCityBorn]

The Bulls can't take back 4 or 5 players they'd have to cut 3 o4 4 loose, they've got at least 12 right now. And I don't think PJ Tucker is the PF they want to bring in nor does OLD PJ really see the Bulls as a great destination.

But

It's Joe Cowley saying watch the Clippers less than 48 hours after he posted the story about how there's no trade market for Zach or Vuc. Short term memory loss with Joe?

Any one posting Zach trade ideas now is just farming for clicks.

[WindyCityBorn]

As of now, little trade market exists for LaVine, who has fully recovered from his foot surgery in March and is having a normal offseason. And it’s clear that attaching an asset just for the sake of moving him wouldn’t be consistent with the new direction management has chosen.

“We expect Zach being fully healthy. And he is healthy. I think he can help this group next year. He’s been professional,” Karnišovas said. “Again, he’s healthy. We expect him to be with us at the start of training camp.”

Management is convinced LaVine’s injury issues contributed to his slow start to last season at a time the entire time struggled out of the gate. Perhaps overly optimistically, management is counting on LaVine to return to a young core and style of play for Donovan and not limit the growth of new core pieces like Coby White, Williams and Giddey.

Management also expects Ball to be at training camp and see where his recovery goes from there.

This isn’t to say LaVine won’t be traded. It’s to say the Bulls won’t make a bad trade just to move him.

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-news/bulls-management-talks-demar-derozan-zach-lavine-direction-of-franchise/576823/

We have to rehabilitate Zach LaVine's value. If we aren't able to get a first-round pick for him, then it's an organizational failure. This is a guy who is capable of averaging 27ppg on fantastic shooting. Bulls also need to be paying someone to write fluff piece after fluff piece about how professional Zach is, how much of a great teammate he is, how much of a hard worker he is, how determined he is to prove doubters wrong (all this is pretty much true btw). Right now, the only story the Bulls have sold to the world is that they can't wait to get rid of him. It's absolutely the wrong message.

They need to be doing the same with Vuc, btw. He has not been mentioned once this off-season by AKME. Start talking this dude up. "We love him. We love what he brings. He's a consummate teammate. Very savvy and underrated offensively. We expect a big year from him." Sell the BS!

As much as I want to rehab Zach's value, there's that risk he just re-injures himself and needs actual rehab, again. A decision beyond my pay grade. All I know is you're running equal risks with either route. If you can work out a deal that's on par with the Caruso or Demar "settlements," those are "get out of jail cards." Meaning, salary relief. Clippers can make it happen, but with KPJ and Harden, Zach is not a good fit. Still, I could see them just desperate for some scoring depth with PG gone.

Zach for PJ, Powell, Westbrook, Brown, Coffey & cash compensation works salary wise. You can buy out Russ and PJ, or actually try to move them for a TPE. The only teams eligible for PJ's $11.5M are Memphis ($12.6M from the Steven Adams dump) and Washington (Gafford $12.4M). Many teams have $4M for Russ, or you can try to swap for some Denver contract. Or just buy them out, since we don't have roster spots any way. At this point, these guys are more-so waiver wire pickups. But you could sooner hold these pieces and sell high then hoping Zach gets some miracle return (multiple FRPs? A lotto pick? I dunno- I don't see it).

This has about zero chance of happening. If he gets injured again that’s life.

[Muzbar]

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They have some salaries that can match in Powell, Tucker, Mann, Westbrook and Hyland.

And no players we want.

According to...?

[WindyCityBorn]

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They have some salaries that can match in Powell, Tucker, Mann, Westbrook and Hyland.

And no players we want.

According to...?

I don’t want any of those players. Just redundancy to what we have already. I guess Tucker is something different, but he’s old and a win now player.

OKC already has everything I would want from the Clippers.

[Muzbar]

And no players we want.

According to...?

I don’t want any of those players. Just redundancy to what we have already. I guess Tucker is something different, but he’s old and a win now player.

So no players you want. Not what the Bulls do or don't want.

Norm Powell would be a good get for Zach, half the price, excellent shooter, you could definitely move him at a later a lit easier.

Tucker is an expiring and a good vet, could be a good mentor for the young guys plus he's a good defender.

[WindyCityBorn]

According to...?

I don’t want any of those players. Just redundancy to what we have already. I guess Tucker is something different, but he’s old and a win now player.

So no players you want. Not what the Bulls do or don't want.

Norm Powell would be a good get for Zach, half the price, excellent shooter, you could definitely move him at a later a lit easier.

Tucker is an expiring and a good vet, could be a good mentor for the young guys plus he's a good defender.

Yeah I don’t want either of them. Especially a vet that could help win games. And there is no proof this has any chance of happening. Just something thrown out to get clicks.

[CROBulls]

Clippers are terrible trade partners. Yes, they can match salary. But instead one player not worth of contract, we getting 3-4 garbage salary dump players. If Clippers want to get rid of all their trash for Lavine, I want multiple unprotected picks and swaps.

So not happening. From both sides. And now this story is concluded. On the next one.

[MrSparkle]

The Bulls can't take back 4 or 5 players they'd have to cut 3 o4 4 loose, they've got at least 12 right now. And I don't think PJ Tucker is the PF they want to bring in nor does OLD PJ really see the Bulls as a great destination.

But

It's Joe Cowley saying watch the Clippers less than 48 hours after he posted the story about how there's no trade market for Zach or Vuc. Short term memory loss with Joe?

I mean, there’s no reason they can’t cut players or move them for somebody else in a 3-way. The idea is simply to get most of Zach’s salary off next year’s books, which the Clippers could accomplish.

[CROBulls]

The Bulls can't take back 4 or 5 players they'd have to cut 3 o4 4 loose, they've got at least 12 right now. And I don't think PJ Tucker is the PF they want to bring in nor does OLD PJ really see the Bulls as a great destination.

But

It's Joe Cowley saying watch the Clippers less than 48 hours after he posted the story about how there's no trade market for Zach or Vuc. Short term memory loss with Joe?

I mean, there’s no reason they can’t cut players or move them for somebody else in a 3-way. The idea is simply to get most of Zach’s salary off next year’s books, which the Clippers could accomplish.

Why is this idea? Next year Lonzo Ball is off the books. It's one terrible contract on roster and Bulls improve capspace a bit. But overall idea of clearing salaries off the books is going with idea of adding players in free agency with the cap space. Next year free agency is terrible. There is only one guy worth of signing in FA and is unrestricted and he is gonna ask 50M.

So unless your idea is to move and get rid of Lavine at 45M, to sign Ingram at 50M. I dont know what to tell you.

[FriedRise]

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They have some salaries that can match in Powell, Tucker, Mann, Westbrook and Hyland.

Bones Hyland, eh?

Honestly makes sense.

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[Muzbar]

Clippers are terrible trade partners. Yes, they can match salary. But instead one player not worth of contract, we getting 3-4 garbage salary dump players. If Clippers want to get rid of all their trash for Lavine, I want multiple unprotected picks and swaps.

So not happening. From both sides. And now this story is concluded. On the next one.

How are they terrible trade partners? The players you'd get back from the Clippers would either be expiring or have 2 years left (unlike LaVine, who has 3 years left at hefty amounts).

It would likely have to be a 3 team trade though IMO.

No one is giving up unprotected (or even protected) picks for Zach LaVine.

[CROBulls]

Clippers are terrible trade partners. Yes, they can match salary. But instead one player not worth of contract, we getting 3-4 garbage salary dump players. If Clippers want to get rid of all their trash for Lavine, I want multiple unprotected picks and swaps.

So not happening. From both sides. And now this story is concluded. On the next one.

How are they terrible trade partners? The players you'd get back from the Clippers would either be expiring or have 2 years left (unlike LaVine, who has 3 years left at hefty amounts).

It would likely have to be a 3 team trade though IMO.

No one is giving up unprotected (or even protected) picks for Zach LaVine.

Good. So no deal. We not taking long term deals. Why is removing one trash contract with 3 or more trash contracts better? If they were expiring I would take them. But they are not. Zach lavine is not cancer of NBA world. He is All-Star calibre player in still prime years worth 35M playing at 45M.

That doesnt make him what whatever you think he is. We have different evaluations of players value and worth. And that's ok.

[PistolP]

A deal with the Clippers would basically be a salary dump. You’d have to buyout Tucker/Westbrook and keep Powell as a shooter off the bench. Obviously a talent downgrade. But would keep the youth movement going and clear another ~$25m off the books for 2025.

[CROBulls]

A deal with the Clippers would basically be a salary dump. You’d have to buyout Tucker/Westbrook and keep Powell as a shooter off the bench. Obviously a talent downgrade. But would keep the youth movement going and clear another ~$25m off the books for 2025.

Again for who? Free agency next year is dead. There is no path to build through free agency anymore. You just overpaying role players at some point. Unless Ingram at 50M is your prize?