Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[musiqsoulchild]

Fred has changed rotations, minutes, roles, usage, type of shot to take --- for several players.

That doesnt happen if "No one is listening".

He has control over all of that except, shot type, and I disagree they are listening to that.

It's not like Niko can say, "I refuse to leave the starting lineup."

NBA players are notorious for using the media to talk about how they feel like their role is not suited to them.

We have our own examples of Taj and BG. Last season we even had Rose who said he's keep shooting 3's. Or questioning why Snell wasnt playing more.

This happens like EVERY week in the NBA - players being disenchanted with the changes to their roles.

[musiqsoulchild]

Hoiberg is ready to demand more.

Seems like Jimmy got his mission accomplished, no matter how much of a Bull in a china shop method he used.

You actually believe what Fred said?

That he said it gives a concession to Jimmy, now people will watch and see if he backs it up.

The team is already with Fred. The FO is with Fred.

Jimmy got the message LOUD and CLEAR.

He can lead all he wants - not with his mouth however.

[FriedRise]

Great stuff from Butler and Hoiberg. Sounds like they and the team worked it out.

Hopefully it leads to us punching the Nets in the mouth tonight and never looking back.

[Rerisen]

You actually believe what Fred said?

That he said it gives a concession to Jimmy, now people will watch and see if he backs it up.

The team is already with Fred. The FO is with Fred.

Jimmy got the message LOUD and CLEAR.

He can lead all he wants - not with his mouth however.

If this is being with Fred, I think we got the wrong guy.

We are pace for less wins than last year.

[Ice Man]

I think Jimmy has actually gotten off pretty easy on this to be honest. If Rose had said this, good Lord. RealGM's servers may still be shut down.

If Rose had said this when he was an All Star, he would have had plenty of defenders. Guys who deliver on the court are cut a lot more slack with their screw-ups than guys who do not.

[Ice Man]

At any rate, Jimmy and Fred had their talk. I assume they will be be adults and will work through this, unless I see evidence to the contrary. So for me, this story is over.

[Rerisen]

I think Jimmy has actually gotten off pretty easy on this to be honest.

Of course he did, he's now the best player on the team with a max contract.

He has power now that must be tread carefully with. If E'twaun Moore tried this, he'd probably be suspended, benched for 2 months, or even sent packing.

Like I said the other day, Jimmy exercised a lot of his capital here. Not sure it was the best place to spend it, but we'll see if there is a reaction on floor.

[MC3]

Great stuff from Butler and Hoiberg. Sounds like they and the team worked it out.

Hopefully it leads to us punching the Nets in the mouth tonight and never looking back.

I dont really believe it. But I believe from now on Jimmy will keep his mouth shut in public. That's why I got from this "news". Message is keep things in the house and respect your coach. Fred is not going anywhere so he better deal with him internally for good.

[NZB2323]

Am I the only one who doesn't care that Jimmy used profanity? He's a grown ass man, and occasionally frustrated people are going to have outbursts. No work environment is all sunshine and rainbows.

[burlydee]

Great stuff from Butler and Hoiberg. Sounds like they and the team worked it out.

Hopefully it leads to us punching the Nets in the mouth tonight and never looking back.

I dont really believe it. But I believe from now on Jimmy will keep his mouth shut in public. That's why I got from this "news". Message is keep things in the house and respect your coach. Fred is not going anywhere so he better deal with him internally.

Yeah you don't bury the hatchet with the way Butler shat all over Hoiberg in one meeting. The best thing we can hope is that they handle it internally going forward.

[burlydee]

Am I the only one who doesn't care that Jimmy used profanity? He's a grown ass man, and occasionally frustrated people are going to have outbursts. No work environment is all sunshine and rainbows.

Do you curse your bosses out?

[Rerisen]

Vincent Goodwill showing some positive signs of being a reporter with his own mind in this town.

http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/jimmy-butler-finds-his-voice-time-hoiberg-do-same

Bulls: As Jimmy Butler finds his voice, time for Fred Hoiberg to do the same

Jimmy Butler’s postgame comments about Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg will be met with some shock and likely some criticism for how it came out.

But it indicates Butler is ready to take on a different role for the franchise, one that could be necessary in the coming years.

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Butler is a great player, and great players at every level of sport want to be coached. They know they don’t know everything, and there are times when the effort or concentration isn’t up to par.

Great players don’t mind being held to that standard, even through gritted teeth and rolled eyes, because of what’s waiting on the back end of that foul language.

This doesn’t look like a max player who’s now feeling himself deciding to make it known he’s the new sheriff in town, as some will make it appear to be.

Fans have longed for a player of his caliber to show the emotional investment to the results in the way they do with their pocketbook and their voices on various mediums.

Being upset that it comes from Butler dilutes that thought, or believing this hasn’t been simmering for quite some time. One can probably surmise Butler has been holding this frustration in for quite awhile, and that he’s so invested in the franchise he could no longer find it tolerable.

Butler has entered the strata where he’s put in the work to make his voice heard, and shouldn’t apologize for it, no matter what he says Monday before the Bulls’ next game against the Brooklyn Nets.

For all the personnel changes that will likely take place over the next couple of years, Butler will be the constant, a rock of consistency whose thoughts will matter at all levels of hierarchy.

What Butler has done, besides ruffle a few feathers above and below him, is take the next step in what a franchise player should do. Butler is pointing out problems as he sees it, even as the team is winning at a decent clip.

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A message has been sent from the Bulls’ best player, who’s finding his voice whether you like it or not, and will continue to voice his observations because he’s earned it.

Now it’s on Hoiberg to use a voice he already has, because he’s earned it with his title and backing from the front office.

And 15 eyes in the locker room are on him, as well as everywhere else

[NeckOfOladipo]

So, looks as if the FO has come out guns blazin'. Giving Jimmy the Thibs treatment.

It really is quite amazing how fast he can dig up information when someone opposite the FO needs to be gassed down.

But when there is trouble internally in their realm, suddenly he becomes a know nothing, quiet as a mouse.

Next up, Sam Smith takes sideswipes at Butler in his "Ask Sam" column.

Anyway, this team's house looks to be a mess, and I think all Jimmy did was probably lift up the rug a little and let some light in.

The team is not functioning together, but let's assume the info in the report is true. You're okay with it?

[NecessaryEvil]

Then, how come the ball wasn't in his hands to close that first OT? They gave it to Rose and got out of the way.

Did you not make it to the 4th overtime?

I'm talking about the first OT, when they ISO'd rose and everyone else got out of the way.

[burlydee]

Vincent Goodwill showing some positive signs of being a reporter with his own mind in this town.

http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/jimmy-butler-finds-his-voice-time-hoiberg-do-same

Bulls: As Jimmy Butler finds his voice, time for Fred Hoiberg to do the same

Jimmy Butler’s postgame comments about Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg will be met with some shock and likely some criticism for how it came out.

But it indicates Butler is ready to take on a different role for the franchise, one that could be necessary in the coming years.

...
Butler is a great player, and great players at every level of sport want to be coached. They know they don’t know everything, and there are times when the effort or concentration isn’t up to par.

Great players don’t mind being held to that standard, even through gritted teeth and rolled eyes, because of what’s waiting on the back end of that foul language.

This doesn’t look like a max player who’s now feeling himself deciding to make it known he’s the new sheriff in town, as some will make it appear to be.

Fans have longed for a player of his caliber to show the emotional investment to the results in the way they do with their pocketbook and their voices on various mediums.

Being upset that it comes from Butler dilutes that thought, or believing this hasn’t been simmering for quite some time. One can probably surmise Butler has been holding this frustration in for quite awhile, and that he’s so invested in the franchise he could no longer find it tolerable.

Butler has entered the strata where he’s put in the work to make his voice heard, and shouldn’t apologize for it, no matter what he says Monday before the Bulls’ next game against the Brooklyn Nets.

For all the personnel changes that will likely take place over the next couple of years, Butler will be the constant, a rock of consistency whose thoughts will matter at all levels of hierarchy.

[RELATED: Bulls run out of gas in New York, fall to Knicks]

What Butler has done, besides ruffle a few feathers above and below him, is take the next step in what a franchise player should do. Butler is pointing out problems as he sees it, even as the team is winning at a decent clip.

Isn’t that essentially what management and ownership did with Thibodeau? The Bulls were winning, enough to be one of the top five teams in the league during his tenure but people didn’t like the “how.”

His grinding style, the way he wasn’t as diplomatic and couldn’t play nice with Gar Forman and John Paxson.

Butler isn’t so concerned with the record as he is the “how:" Some guys breaking off plays to do their own thing, disrupting the rhythm of what’s trying to be developed and what’s worse, seeing the actions go unchecked by the head coach.

“It's not even about being coached a certain way for five years," Butler said. "It's making everybody do their job. We weren't doing what we were supposed to be doing, what we wrote up on that board before the game, and nobody spoke up about it. I did probably not enough times, but I think that he has to hold everybody accountable. From the No. 1 player all the way down to however many guys we got.”

Isn’t that what you’d want from a franchise player, someone who embraces the responsibility of what’s going on and saying, “This isn’t good enough?"

Perhaps with Thibodeau’s looming presence over the years there wasn’t room for a voice to be developed in the locker room. But now Hoiberg doesn’t carry himself that way. It’s more understated, more subtle.

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A message has been sent from the Bulls’ best player, who’s finding his voice whether you like it or not, and will continue to voice his observations because he’s earned it.

Now it’s on Hoiberg to use a voice he already has, because he’s earned it with his title and backing from the front office.

And 15 eyes in the locker room are on him, as well as everywhere else

That isn't reporting. Its commentary. We will see how Jimmy outburst plays out. I would have think the main guy breaking off plays is him, however. He is the most iso heavy guy on the team. I love Jimmy but his little tantrum was uncalled for. I doubt it changes anything.

[NecessaryEvil]

It doesnt ...even if it did, thats not the topic.

the hell, am I talking to you? I want to know why HE thinks this is about Rose.

This whole thing is about the TEAM. So, yeah, it's indirectly about Rose and everyone with a Bulls uni on.

Huh?

I was agreeing with you that Jimmy's comments had nothing to do with Rose or "boiling down to Rose".

sry my bro. read that the wrong way.

[Indomitable]

you are so full of crap with this... these three are like the three amigos and the three hardest working guys on the floor always.

Dude Noah is definitely in Roses camp. Never got that feeling. Noah likes Snell more then Butler. Jimmy actually is not that well liked.

He gets knocked down and is in a tussle. No one comes.

I wondered about that the other day. How come no one really comes to the rescue when Butler is in an altercation. Now it makes sense when you add in Stacey's rant. They are probably used of seeing his wanna fight attitude in practice to the point they are being at a distance towards him. Both him and the team really need to iron things out.

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Jimmy needs to make the overtures. He is the one who not trying.

[Payt10]

Sounds like Hoiberg is going to find minutes for Bobby. My guess is that Jimmy is getting tired of Niko's laziness and wants to see the kid in his place.

[Rerisen]

The team is not functioning together, but let's assume the info in the report is true. You're okay with it?

Ideally, you don't want those things to happen, but I think they probably aren't that uncommon, from other guys beside just Jimmy too. The team didn't punish him for them, that we know of, so they can't have been seen as that disruptive.

He should simmer down a bit, and when this leadership transition plays out, one way or the other, he probably will.

But we are still in a transition phase right now I think. To see if Jimmy can become the team leader or if it will just lead to more turmoil.

[NZB2323]

Am I the only one who doesn't care that Jimmy used profanity? He's a grown ass man, and occasionally frustrated people are going to have outbursts. No work environment is all sunshine and rainbows.

Do you curse your bosses out?

No, I don't, but the circumstances are different. I'm in the military, while Butler is in the NBA. And the report never said he cursed them out, it said he used profanity, so it could have been in the form of an adjective. Like, "We need to play f---ing harder!" NBA players swear all the time, so it's part of the culture. There are plenty of work situations though where people rub each other the wrong way or have disagreements, and they still do excellent work.

Michael Jordan used to tell his teammates that if they didn't give their all in practice then he would kick their ass. I'm sure that he cursed out Phil Jackson when Jackson told Steve Kerr to play tough defense on Jordan and didn't call any fouls. These guys spend a lot of time together and when losses happen certain outbursts are inevitable. It's not the end of the world.