2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[coldfish]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2020-lamelo-ball-taken-by-timberwolves-at-no-1-after-they-win-nba-draft-lottery/

There are a lot of mock drafts floating around with Edwards falling a little. IMO, if there is even a chance the Bulls could get him, they really should. He is raw and has some attitude questions but he is pretty much the only guy who really jumps out on tape to me. Really long arms, physical, athletic, good shooting form. He would be a multi year project but has the highest upside in the draft, IMO.

I'm not worried at all about positions. By the time Edwards would be truly ready, most of the roster is going to be turned over.

[drosereturn]

Lamelo's shooting is an open question. In any case I think he's a better shooter than Lonzo. Which doesn't necessarily make him good but not completely laughable.

I'd take someone who is a little more turnover prone, but isn't a total liability on the offensive end. Teams won't need to guard Ball, whereas with Hayes you need to at the very least respect his shot.

I take Hayes.

Ball is far from a liability on the offensive end. He's a legit scorer. The question is if he can catch & shoot well enough to keep the floor spread. With our miniscule sample size the answer is maybe. I want to see how he does in workouts.

Btw I'm not pushing for Ball. My draft board for the Bulls goes Toppin, Ball, Avdija, Hayes in that order. I'm open to discussing them all since we have so little to go on this year.

Ball is a 3pt shot away from a star. And Lonzo already fixed his shot shooting 37% for the yr.
He probably shoots around 30% in 3s on 1 make per game and 70% ft which is not terrible.
Hayes has nowhere the physicality, playmaking Ball has. And its not like his defense and shooting is miles better.

[PlayerUp]

He isn't really a sleeper pick. He's mocked in the mid lottery in many mocks. People know his skillset will fit well as a good complimentary piece in the NBA. AK has picked a FSU guard before in the past as well and they turned out to be a pretty nice complimentary piece.

I believe he got top 5 potential that is why I call him a sleeper pick.

He has top 5 upside but wont be picked that high. Which is why trading down and somehow getting hands on Hali and Vassell would be the best scenario bc Deni, Hayes are going to be taken first.

If a team is wanting to move up that would be ideal.

Pelicans traded the #4 for the #8 and #17 last year. Problem in this draft though is not many teams have an extra pick to move up. Alternatively a future 1st that is Top 4 protected would be okay as well.

[The Box Office]

If Haliburton actually has a 6'11" - 7' wingspan I really think this board should be more excited about him.

He has a very reasonable path to be a plus player physically at the NBA level. All he has to do is bulk up a bit, and he's there. I think that separates him from someone like Deni or Hayes who seem average.

He's been absolutely dominant in transition in college which to me bodes well for the spread-it-out style of play that most NBA teams are trying to achieve. He'd immediately be by far our best passer and he should be a nice defender as well. His spot up shooting is already there (FT% strong too).

I understand his shooting off the dribble is not there, but this guy would be no doubt #1 overall pick if he could shoot off the dribble.

Yes. You and me are in the minority about Tyrese Haliburton. I made in depth post about him in another thread. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1987725&start=60

He's our guy at number 4. His advanced metrics are really good. He's efficient as hell. He's currently the 2nd best prospect (people will disagree, but I don't give a crap).

He's probably the true number one pick. A kid who might be able to get John Stockton numbers. I can tell that LaMelo and Killian Hayes doesn't have the IQ and skills to do what Haliburton does.

And yes, if he score off the dribble and drew a lot of fouls then he's the number one pick, no question.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I almost forgot the collegiate 3 point line was moved back this year so those numbers should translate even more.

Does it match nba now?

Nah.

The NBA 3 pt. line is 23 ft. 9 inch at the arch.

NCAA seemed to move their arch from 20 ft. 9 inches to 22 ft 1 ⅓ inch this last season.

I always thought everything should mirror the professional league these kids are striving for.

[nomorezorro]

If Ball is there at # 4 it would be best case scenario for us , I have no problem selecting him or trading him to NY for # 8 and a future 1st.

lol, my immediate thought after seeing deni-gsw buzz was also "ooh if melo falls to #4 we can rip off the knicks in a trade"

if you can do that and feel confident that one of hayes/vassell/haliburton will be on the board at #8, that's a pretty nice draft imo

[SfBull]

None of these guys looks exciting. Am I missing anything? Seems like a bad year to finally get good luck in the lottery.

You may be missing AK/Eversley's abilities for finding sleepers or making some bold pick looking for BPA.They seem to be less conservative than GarPax.

AK has yet to make any roster moves yet how does he seem less conservative ? AK never had a big job like this so this is pretty much his first draft where he is making the decision. Also Gar/Pax were terrible at everything except drafting, they found some good talent over the years.

I admit I'm more optimistic about AK/ME than GarPax but they seem to have more knowledge about international players ( especially Eversley) so it's reasonable to suppose they can make bolder decisions finding sleepers in this weak draft.We know that this kind of draft can reveal great players especially late first rounders.
They can make the difference for us in this draft which makes me more optimistic than past seasons.

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[Grodoboldo]

If Ball is there at # 4 it would be best case scenario for us , I have no problem selecting him or trading him to NY for # 8 and a future 1st.

lol, my immediate thought after seeing deni-gsw buzz was also "ooh if melo falls to #4 we can rip off the knicks in a trade"

if you can do that and feel confident that one of hayes/vassell/haliburton will be on the board at #8, that's a pretty nice draft imo

I don't think the Hawks or Cavs would pick Hayes. Maybe the Pistons.
Hali and Vassell would fit in any of them. We'd have to hope at least one of them likes Okoro, Okongwu or Toppin more.

[TheHrvReport]

I’m really starting to come around on Hayes. He’s getting comparisons to DLo and Malcolm Brogdon, and Bulls need a primary facilitator. Also wouldn’t be mad at getting Avdija although he has a lower ceiling than Hayes imo. I see Avdija as a Turkoglu/Saric type player long term

[Ugly Duckling]

All I know is if we do get Ball, Lavar better not say he's better than MJ

[Bullflip]

The Bulls need to get Nesmith. Never told anyone on this board, but my mom sometimes has these premonitions (I wouldn't call her psychic, but she sometimes have these feelings). Believe me, I know you think it's some mumbo jumbo, I did too. But she's been more right than most. I decided last night, what the heck, since the Bulls draft is a crapshoot. What if I just draw up a list of players for the first round and see if there are any people that stood out to her. She doesn't know anything about basketball, but she picked the following:

LaMelo Ball
Aaron Nesmith
Jalen Smith

I know I will get laughed at, but I'm just throwing these names out there in case anyone knows someone in the Bulls to get some extra looks on those 3.

[chefo]

If Haliburton actually has a 6'11" - 7' wingspan I really think this board should be more excited about him.

He has a very reasonable path to be a plus player physically at the NBA level. All he has to do is bulk up a bit, and he's there. I think that separates him from someone like Deni or Hayes who seem average.

He's been absolutely dominant in transition in college which to me bodes well for the spread-it-out style of play that most NBA teams are trying to achieve. He'd immediately be by far our best passer and he should be a nice defender as well. His spot up shooting is already there (FT% strong too).

I understand his shooting off the dribble is not there, but this guy would be no doubt #1 overall pick if he could shoot off the dribble.

Yes. You and me are in the minority about Tyrese Haliburton. I made in depth post about him in another thread. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1987725&start=60

He's our guy at number 4. His advanced metrics are really good. He's efficient as hell. He's currently the 2nd best prospect (people will disagree, but I don't give a crap).

He's probably the true number one pick. A kid who might be able to get John Stockton numbers. I can tell that LaMelo and Killian Hayes doesn't have the IQ and skills to do what Haliburton does.

And yes, if he score off the dribble and drew a lot of fouls then he's the number one pick, no question.

Haliburton just screams George Hill to me, if he works out--which is both a good and a bad thing, considering the Bulls are picking 4th. He's long, not particularly fast or quick, but is smart and knows what he's supposed to be doing on the floor. His shooting form is a bit a problem because his release is slow and he gets no elevation on his 3s, but I'm assuming a quicker trigger can be taught.

Biggest issue I see from him, and why I think he'll peak at a good player at best, is that even in college he couldn't drive by people and had to finish on top of them when near the basket. Right now, he's just neither that quick, nor that shifty--but unless you're a great athlete, I don't think finishing over people in the NBA is a given. If anything, I like him more off-ball where that is not that big of an issue--but do the Bulls need a 6'5, skinny SG? And is that worth a 4th pick?

To add, he'll need 20 pounds of muscle like yesterday not to get absolutely nailed / sent to the hospital on screens in the NBA.

But, if he fixes his shooting form, and puts on some weight, he'll probably have a long career in the NBA--kind of like George Hill.

[TheSuzerain]

If Haliburton actually has a 6'11" - 7' wingspan I really think this board should be more excited about him.

He has a very reasonable path to be a plus player physically at the NBA level. All he has to do is bulk up a bit, and he's there. I think that separates him from someone like Deni or Hayes who seem average.

He's been absolutely dominant in transition in college which to me bodes well for the spread-it-out style of play that most NBA teams are trying to achieve. He'd immediately be by far our best passer and he should be a nice defender as well. His spot up shooting is already there (FT% strong too).

I understand his shooting off the dribble is not there, but this guy would be no doubt #1 overall pick if he could shoot off the dribble.

Yes. You and me are in the minority about Tyrese Haliburton. I made in depth post about him in another thread. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1987725&start=60

He's our guy at number 4. His advanced metrics are really good. He's efficient as hell. He's currently the 2nd best prospect (people will disagree, but I don't give a crap).

He's probably the true number one pick. A kid who might be able to get John Stockton numbers. I can tell that LaMelo and Killian Hayes doesn't have the IQ and skills to do what Haliburton does.

And yes, if he score off the dribble and drew a lot of fouls then he's the number one pick, no question.

Haliburton just screams George Hill to me, if he works out--which is both a good and a bad thing, considering the Bulls are picking 4th. He's long, not particularly fast or quick, but is smart and knows what he's supposed to be doing on the floor. His shooting form is a bit a problem because his release is slow and he gets no elevation on his 3s, but I'm assuming a quicker trigger can be taught.

Biggest issue I see from him, and why I think he'll peak at a good player at best, is that even in college he couldn't drive by people and had to finish on top of them when near the basket. Right now, he's just neither that quick, nor that shifty--but unless you're a great athlete, I don't think finishing over people in the NBA is a given. If anything, I like him more off-ball where that is not that big of an issue--but do the Bulls need a 6'5, skinny SG? And is that worth a 4th pick?

To add, he'll need 20 pounds of muscle like yesterday not to get absolutely nailed / sent to the hospital on screens in the NBA.

But, if he fixes his shooting form, and puts on some weight, he'll probably have a long career in the NBA--kind of like George Hill.

George Hill is 6th in Win Shares and 5th in WS/48 in his draft.

If Haliburton is George Hill + better vision/passing then sign me all the way up.

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[Ugly Duckling]

Edwards looks like he could be special. If we can trade up to get him, I'd do it. Lauri and 4?

Ball is a little annoying and I don't really want to hear/see Lavar on the regular, but looking at it from a purely basketball perspective, offensively he's like Lonzo with a shot, which makes him pretty deadly on that end. We could use a legit PG. It's been a minute.

Wiseman has potential but I think it's risky picking him 3rd. This seems like a weak draft so maybe it's worth it, but he could bust.

I'm high on Obi-wan despite his defensive woes. He kind of reminds me of John Collins. Him and Zach on the break would be unstoppable.

Haliburton looks to be a starting caliber PG, although he's a low ceiling, high floor pick. Pass.

Okonwgu is a defensive specialist, so I wouldn't pick him in the top 10.

Avdija is the weakest looking player I've ever seen in my life. Hard pass.

Nesmith plays within himself and his game is cerebral. I'd consider taking him at 4.

Tyrell Terry is like a mini Trey Young, which likely makes him a 3pt specialist off the bench (albeit an elite one).

[JohnnyTapwater]

The Bulls need to get Nesmith. Never told anyone on this board, but my mom sometimes has these premonitions (I wouldn't call her psychic, but she sometimes have these feelings). Believe me, I know you think it's some mumbo jumbo, I did too. But she's been more right than most. I decided last night, what the heck, since the Bulls draft is a crapshoot. What if I just draw up a list of players for the first round and see if there are any people that stood out to her. She doesn't know anything about basketball, but she picked the following:

LaMelo Ball
Aaron Nesmith
Jalen Smith

I know I will get laughed at, but I'm just throwing these names out there in case anyone knows someone in the Bulls to get some extra looks on those 3.

I believe you.

She identified a star, one of my personal favorites, and a sleeper.

Please keep sharing.

[KCFITTED]

If LaMelo falls to #3 I think the Bulls will have to move up to get him. What would that offer look like? #4, Thad, Sato for #3?

[cjbulls]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2020-lamelo-ball-taken-by-timberwolves-at-no-1-after-they-win-nba-draft-lottery/

There are a lot of mock drafts floating around with Edwards falling a little. IMO, if there is even a chance the Bulls could get him, they really should. He is raw and has some attitude questions but he is pretty much the only guy who really jumps out on tape to me. Really long arms, physical, athletic, good shooting form. He would be a multi year project but has the highest upside in the draft, IMO.

I'm not worried at all about positions. By the time Edwards would be truly ready, most of the roster is going to be turned over.

I have no strong opinion on Edwards right now, but how can you not be worried about positions?

You can’t have a bunch of young ball dominant scorers on one roster and expect them to develop. They’ll get in each other’s way and the other players will never get a respite from all the developing hero ball. At best, it’ll turn into a your turn-my turn scenario which is just bad basketball.

I’m all for BPA in this draft and don’t mind doubling up at a position (just as an example, Toppin when you have Lauri), but there is an exception for “ball dominant guards”. If they end up with Edwards they must move on from one of the other two or they’re asking for a scenario that kills the development of all 3, and Lauri, and WCJ and whoever else you want to throw in.