Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition

[waffle]

agreed that the only likely course right now is he plays, plays well, and some other team needs him (injuries?). In that scenario we might even get SOMETHING for him.

He's a classic 3rd option on a good team. Don't let him handle the ball, don't let him think he's the alpha. Make it clear to him what his role is. In that scenario I could see him being useful to a good team

[CROBulls]

Lack of market for Zach is not just about Zach.

Read on Twitter

David Griffin: So I would have told you coming into the offseason that his value was incredibly high.

David Griffin later on: When you don't have to pay them, you want all of them

Griffin later (not precisely talking about Ingram, but potentially implied): There are a lot of guys [under this new CBA] mechanically incapable of being traded.

Zach and Ingram are gonna be sacrificial lambs of new CBA. Ingram specifically because Zach got his deal before new CBA, he is just untradable now under new one. And I think Bulls are gonna be stuck with him longer than one year. But Ingram is one who is not gonna get what he wants [4/200M]. And Pels cannot even find trade partner because that would imply Ingram getting his deal.

I guess time for players who are not superstars or even high peak all-stars can forget 45-50M range salaries under new CBA. They simply wont happen.

[pipfan]

Somehow I will be able to not worry about Ingram "only" making 35 million/year

And I like the fit of Lavine to the clips. Any way Det would take Powell for Hardaway jr?

[CROBulls]

Somehow I will be able to not worry about Ingram "only" making 35 million/year

And I like the fit of Lavine to the clips. Any way Det would take Powell for Hardaway jr?

Well you dont have nothing to worry. And good for Pels too. But if there are no more bad contracts in NBA, Lavine is here to stay not for next year, but for next 3 years. And at that point you might be willing to resign him when his contract expire.

[MrSparkle]

I feel like the last few CBAs have all either unexpectedly screwed the Bulls, either by lack of foresight or by circumstance.

Rose Rule max (increased salary for rookie star). Which he deserved to get the most money, but of course it had to align with Derrick, and it had to follow with a knee surgery. Not to mention it’d be the first of 3 long/big contracts Bulls would sign with multiple knee surgeries within the first 16 months.

The Zach deal signed a year before this current cba; was supposed to be a value max with the cap going way up.

Vuc deal is on the Bulls. By last summer, they should’ve understood the risks of overpaying mediocrity. This Pat deal is not good either (or at best, medium-reward high-risk).

[Indomitable]

I feel like the last few CBAs have all either unexpectedly screwed the Bulls, either by lack of foresight or by circumstance.

Rose Rule max (increased salary for rookie star). Which he deserved to get the most money, but of course it had to align with Derrick, and it had to follow with a knee surgery. Not to mention it’d be the first of 3 long/big contracts Bulls would sign with multiple knee surgeries within the first 16 months.

The Zach deal signed a year before this current cba; was supposed to be a value max with the cap going way up.

Vuc deal is on the Bulls. By last summer, they should’ve understood the risks of overpaying mediocrity. This Pat deal is not good either (or at best, medium-reward high-risk).

Forgot the creation of the Max contracts. The Bulls actually had the most money available in 2000 but the new CBA started the max contract.

We could not just outbid people.

That free agency had Tracy McGrady, Tim Duncan, Eddie Jones,Grant Hill

Instead we end up with Brad Miller and Ron Mercer.

That Bulls team as actually had Elton Brand, Arrest.

I think getting McGrady would have changed things.

[Chi town]

KC continually talked about Kings for DDR and it happened. Now Cowley with Clipps for Zach.

I expect after Zach shows some good play he will be moved in a 3 team deal where Bulls move spare parts for 2nds and expirings or shorter deals. If we get one 1st for a prospect I’d be thrilled.

Zach will help winning and he will take away opps from Coby Ayo and Pat which I’m fine with for 30 games to make them earn it.

[Chi town]

I think Spurs are the team to watch with Zach. If he comes out hooping and Spurs look ready to win and make the playoffs this year I think Zach fits perfect next to Castle and Wemby Vassell.

[WindyCityBorn]

Lack of market for Zach is not just about Zach.

Read on Twitter

David Griffin: So I would have told you coming into the offseason that his value was incredibly high.

David Griffin later on: When you don't have to pay them, you want all of them

Griffin later (not precisely talking about Ingram, but potentially implied): There are a lot of guys [under this new CBA] mechanically incapable of being traded.

Zach and Ingram are gonna be sacrificial lambs of new CBA. Ingram specifically because Zach got his deal before new CBA, he is just untradable now under new one. And I think Bulls are gonna be stuck with him longer than one year. But Ingram is one who is not gonna get what he wants [4/200M]. And Pels cannot even find trade partner because that would imply Ingram getting his deal.

I guess time for players who are not superstars or even high peak all-stars can forget 45-50M range salaries under new CBA. They simply wont happen.

Knicks just overpaid Anube or however it’s spelled so I’m not sure about that.

[WindyCityBorn]

I feel like the last few CBAs have all either unexpectedly screwed the Bulls, either by lack of foresight or by circumstance.

Rose Rule max (increased salary for rookie star). Which he deserved to get the most money, but of course it had to align with Derrick, and it had to follow with a knee surgery. Not to mention it’d be the first of 3 long/big contracts Bulls would sign with multiple knee surgeries within the first 16 months.

The Zach deal signed a year before this current cba; was supposed to be a value max with the cap going way up.

Vuc deal is on the Bulls. By last summer, they should’ve understood the risks of overpaying mediocrity. This Pat deal is not good either (or at best, medium-reward high-risk).

Pat is not his risk contract. It’s MLE money in a few years and he has a skill set all teams value.

[WindyCityBorn]

KC continually talked about Kings for DDR and it happened. Now Cowley with Clipps for Zach.

I expect after Zach shows some good play he will be moved in a 3 team deal where Bulls move spare parts for 2nds and expirings or shorter deals. If we get one 1st for a prospect I’d be thrilled.

Zach will help winning and he will take away opps from Coby Ayo and Pat which I’m fine with for 30 games to make them earn it.

If he plays well we should get more than that.

[kristov]

The problem is the max increase in the salary cap per year at 10% . If they applied the new TV money then you'd be looking at 200 million dollar salary cap per team next season.

[MrSparkle]

I feel like the last few CBAs have all either unexpectedly screwed the Bulls, either by lack of foresight or by circumstance.

Rose Rule max (increased salary for rookie star). Which he deserved to get the most money, but of course it had to align with Derrick, and it had to follow with a knee surgery. Not to mention it’d be the first of 3 long/big contracts Bulls would sign with multiple knee surgeries within the first 16 months.

The Zach deal signed a year before this current cba; was supposed to be a value max with the cap going way up.

Vuc deal is on the Bulls. By last summer, they should’ve understood the risks of overpaying mediocrity. This Pat deal is not good either (or at best, medium-reward high-risk).

Pat is not his risk contract. It’s MLE money in a few years and he has a skill set all teams value.

Maybe. Or maybe he keeps missing 50% of each season with a 10.0 PER and 9.9 ppg.

[dougthonus]

I feel like the last few CBAs have all either unexpectedly screwed the Bulls, either by lack of foresight or by circumstance.

Rose Rule max (increased salary for rookie star). Which he deserved to get the most money, but of course it had to align with Derrick, and it had to follow with a knee surgery. Not to mention it’d be the first of 3 long/big contracts Bulls would sign with multiple knee surgeries within the first 16 months.

The Zach deal signed a year before this current cba; was supposed to be a value max with the cap going way up.

Vuc deal is on the Bulls. By last summer, they should’ve understood the risks of overpaying mediocrity. This Pat deal is not good either (or at best, medium-reward high-risk).

There is a long history of the Bulls getting screwed by new CBAs:
1999 - The max contract screwed them out of their plan to pursue Tim Duncan and Tracy McGrady and get them both

2005 - The one and done rule was instituted, had it not been instituted, the Bulls would have drafted Kevin Durant in 2006 with the #2 overall pick after Greg Oden went #1.

2011 - Derrick Rose rule

2017 - Think we escaped any major damage in this one. The main damage here was the luxury tax tiers, which of course we would never fall victim to.

2023 - Nothing specific for the Bulls, the apron stuff may have hurt the Zach situation, but that's pretty minor relative to how it impacted teams actually trying to win titles.

That said, 99, 05, and 11, each had a rule that probably screwed over Chicago more than any other team in the NBA.

[Axl Rose]

I feel like the last few CBAs have all either unexpectedly screwed the Bulls, either by lack of foresight or by circumstance.

There is a long history of the Bulls getting screwed by new CBAs:
1999 - The max contract screwed them out of their plan to pursue Tim Duncan and Tracy McGrady and get them both

2005 - The one and done rule was instituted, had it not been instituted, the Bulls would have drafted Kevin Durant in 2006 with the #2 overall pick after Greg Oden went #1.

2011 - Derrick Rose rule

2017 - Think we escaped any major damage in this one. The main damage here was the luxury tax tiers, which of course we would never fall victim to.

2023 - Nothing specific for the Bulls, the apron stuff may have hurt the Zach situation, but that's pretty minor relative to how it impacted teams actually trying to win titles.

That said, 99, 05, and 11, each had a rule that probably screwed over Chicago more than any other team in the NBA.

While not a rule change I would add the shortened 2012 season as a very likely factor in Rose tearing his ACL. He kept rushing back and playing hurt that season due to the hectic schedule. He was dealing with a groin injury at the time.

In a regular season he would have had more breathing room to sit out for a month or so to heal up and maybe he doesn't tear his ACL on a move he did thousands of times before.

[MrSparkle]

I feel like the last few CBAs have all either unexpectedly screwed the Bulls, either by lack of foresight or by circumstance.

There is a long history of the Bulls getting screwed by new CBAs:
1999 - The max contract screwed them out of their plan to pursue Tim Duncan and Tracy McGrady and get them both

2005 - The one and done rule was instituted, had it not been instituted, the Bulls would have drafted Kevin Durant in 2006 with the #2 overall pick after Greg Oden went #1.

2011 - Derrick Rose rule

2017 - Think we escaped any major damage in this one. The main damage here was the luxury tax tiers, which of course we would never fall victim to.

2023 - Nothing specific for the Bulls, the apron stuff may have hurt the Zach situation, but that's pretty minor relative to how it impacted teams actually trying to win titles.

That said, 99, 05, and 11, each had a rule that probably screwed over Chicago more than any other team in the NBA.

While not a rule change I would add the shortened 2012 season as a very likely factor in Rose tearing his ACL. He kept rushing back and playing hurt that season due to the hectic schedule. He was dealing with a groin injury at the time.

In a regular season he would have had more breathing room to sit out for a month or so to heal up and maybe he doesn't tear his ACL on a move he did thousands of times before.

Yeah, well and the biggest picture- best Bulls team hands down since 1998, young and hungry, 76% win rate, had to enter a shortened lockout year. Lame all around.

[kodo]

While not a rule change I would add the shortened 2012 season as a very likely factor in Rose tearing his ACL. He kept rushing back and playing hurt that season due to the hectic schedule. He was dealing with a groin injury at the time.

In a regular season he would have had more breathing room to sit out for a month or so to heal up and maybe he doesn't tear his ACL on a move he did thousands of times before.

I remember reading a Rose interview then and he was talking about how couldn't move his toes but he was still going to play through it all, no matter how hurt he was.

[Red8911]

KC continually talked about Kings for DDR and it happened. Now Cowley with Clipps for Zach.

I expect after Zach shows some good play he will be moved in a 3 team deal where Bulls move spare parts for 2nds and expirings or shorter deals. If we get one 1st for a prospect I’d be thrilled.

Zach will help winning and he will take away opps from Coby Ayo and Pat which I’m fine with for 30 games to make them earn it.

Not really he KC was talking about Kings trading for Zach not Demar. That was reported by someone else and happened the next day.

[nekorajo]

Zach should've realized by now that Chicago has consistently valued him more than any other other city. He also should've realized that being benched could have led to him maturing as a player. People in all walks of life get their feelings hurt at work. A mature person addresses the situation, but he decided to pout and be passive aggressive except when he played tough guy with the female reporter.

He needs to grow up, and actually earn the money I regrettably rooted for him to get. The league is right to avoid his toxicity. It shouldn't be rewarded. We're just stuck with him. I've been saying it since last Fall.

Fortunately, he has a chance to redeem his brand this season. It won't take long to see if he can humble himself and fit in once training camp starts.

[Dez]

Zach should've realized by now that Chicago has consistently valued him more than any other other city. He also should've realized that being benched could have led to him maturing as a player. People in all walks of life get their feelings hurt at work. A mature person addresses the situation, but he decided to pout and be passive aggressive except when he played tough guy with the female reporter.

He needs to grow up, and actually earn the money I regrettably rooted for him to get. The league is right to avoid his toxicity. It shouldn't be rewarded. We're just stuck with him. I've been saying it since last Fall.

Fortunately, he has a chance to redeem his brand this season. It won't take long to see if he can humble himself and fit in once training camp starts.

Zach has been nothing but professional, he hasn't been toxic at all.