Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season

pipfan · Post #1141 » by **pipfan** » Sun May 25, 2025 6:46 am

Dan Z wrote:I wonder what his season would've looked like if Terrence Shannon Jr was drafted by a team that had more playing time for him...?

Conley/Shannon Jr/#17 for Coby?

Dan Z · Post #1142 » by **Dan Z** » Sun May 25, 2025 6:54 am

pipfan wrote:
Dan Z wrote:I wonder what his season would've looked like if Terrence Shannon Jr was drafted by a team that had more playing time for him...?

Conley/Shannon Jr/#17 for Coby?

I'm not against trading Coby, but I think Minnesota likes Conley (vet leadership) and doesn't really need more scoring from the guard position.

burlydee · Post #1143 » by **burlydee** » Mon May 26, 2025 1:42 am

People keep crapping on Thibs, and he truly hasn't distinguished himself with his adjustments, but low key the Knicks roster is super limited. I hate their bench. And Mikal and OG were completely overrated by the Knicks. Particularly Bridges. They traded for him like he had Zach Lavine offense and Caruso defense. He's not elite on either end. Very good, not elite.

kodo · Post #1144 » by **kodo** » Mon May 26, 2025 1:50 am

I feel bad for Towns he's getting the Vuc treatment. Whatever Pacer draws him defensively is just attacking him iso, doesn't matter if it's a guard or big. Even TJ McConnell was clowning him in the paint.

burlydee · Post #1145 » by **burlydee** » Mon May 26, 2025 2:37 am

Thibs has lost his mind. How does he keep Brunson out this game so long?

Susan · Post #1146 » by **Susan** » Mon May 26, 2025 2:54 am

burlydee wrote:Thibs has lost his mind. How does he keep Brunson out this game so long?

Winner winner chicken dinner.

jc23 · Post #1147 » by **jc23** » Mon May 26, 2025 3:28 am

might be the last good series this playoffs, hope it goes 7.

dice · Post #1148 » by **dice** » Mon May 26, 2025 5:34 am

jc23 wrote:might be the last good series this playoffs, hope it goes 7.

was hoping pacers would sweep their asses. who celebrates in the streets after winning the conference semis?

Post #1149 » by **Ice Man** » Mon May 26, 2025 11:17 am

dice wrote:
jc23 wrote:might be the last good series this playoffs, hope it goes 7.

was hoping pacers would sweep their asses. who celebrates in the streets after winning the conference semis?

Bulls fans? I mean, I don't know, but since we have done that once only since 1998 I'm guessing that will be a big deal, the next time that it happens.

sco · Post #1150 » by **sco** » Mon May 26, 2025 1:17 pm

burlydee wrote:People keep crapping on Thibs, and he truly hasn't distinguished himself with his adjustments, but low key the Knicks roster is super limited. I hate their bench. And Mikal and OG were completely overrated by the Knicks. Particularly Bridges. They traded for him like he had Zach Lavine offense and Caruso defense. He's not elite on either end. Very good, not elite.

No doubt in my mind Bridges was a huge overpay. The logic was there with his rep as a great 2-way player and the Villanova connection; however, he went from being a first option guy to the 4th option guy in NY. First, IMO, even the 3rd option guy has to shift his mentality to be a 50/50 offense/defense guy. The 4th guy goes to more like 40/60. Said another way, you're paying a lot for unused offense. NY would have been better off keeping Donte IMO. OG IMO has been great in made a better adjustment to his role.

kodo · Post #1151 » by **kodo** » Mon May 26, 2025 3:49 pm

sco wrote:
burlydee wrote:People keep crapping on Thibs, and he truly hasn't distinguished himself with his adjustments, but low key the Knicks roster is super limited. I hate their bench. And Mikal and OG were completely overrated by the Knicks. Particularly Bridges. They traded for him like he had Zach Lavine offense and Caruso defense. He's not elite on either end. Very good, not elite.

No doubt in my mind Bridges was a huge overpay. The logic was there with his rep as a great 2-way player and the Villanova connection; however, he went from being a first option guy to the 4th option guy in NY. First, IMO, even the 3rd option guy has to shift his mentality to be a 50/50 offense/defense guy. The 4th guy goes to more like 40/60. Said another way, you're paying a lot for unused offense. NY would have been better off keeping Donte IMO. OG IMO has been great in made a better adjustment to his role.

Mikal has been more than just not worth 6 picks, he's been straight up bad in the postseason.
Brunson: 57% TS
KAT: 60% TS
OG: 53% TS
Hart: 60% TS
Mikal: 51% TS

Brunson: 118 drating
KAT: 110 drating
OG: 114 drating
Hart: 112 drating
Mikal: 118 drating

He's been living high off that one Phoenix Finals run for his entire career. I really like Mikal in theory, but he's the most overrated player in the league if the 6 picks was his market value. And most of those picks are completely unprotected, which is a rarity.

I guess it's better for EC parity, if NY saved those 6 picks and offered them to Milwaukee for Giannis we'd be looking at a dynasty.

rosenthall · Post #1152 » by **rosenthall** » Mon May 26, 2025 9:23 pm

burlydee wrote:People keep crapping on Thibs, and he truly hasn't distinguished himself with his adjustments, but low key the Knicks roster is super limited. I hate their bench. And Mikal and OG were completely overrated by the Knicks. Particularly Bridges. They traded for him like he had Zach Lavine offense and Caruso defense. He's not elite on either end. Very good, not elite.

I've always thought the Knicks would have been better off if they just traded for Zach instead of Bridges. They would have kept a lot more of their picks, and Zach in the Bridges role, playing off of Brunson would be absolutely elite.

I know Zach's salary is bigger, but I think a Zach / Randle trade as the principals could have been worked out, and NY would be better both now and in the future IMO.

The odd thing about Zach is that despite being a stat-padding loser who's never been able to help his teams win.......he actually fits in really well on most good teams. If he was making 30 million per year instead of 46 I think the trade market for him would have been red hot.

Dan Z · Post #1153 » by **Dan Z** » Mon May 26, 2025 10:26 pm

rosenthall wrote:
burlydee wrote:People keep crapping on Thibs, and he truly hasn't distinguished himself with his adjustments, but low key the Knicks roster is super limited. I hate their bench. And Mikal and OG were completely overrated by the Knicks. Particularly Bridges. They traded for him like he had Zach Lavine offense and Caruso defense. He's not elite on either end. Very good, not elite.

I've always thought the Knicks would have been better off if they just traded for Zach instead of Bridges. They would have kept a lot more of their picks, and Zach in the Bridges role, playing off of Brunson would be absolutely elite.

I know Zach's salary is bigger, but I think a Zach / Randle trade as the principals could have been worked out, and NY would be better both now and in the future IMO.

The odd thing about Zach is that despite being a stat-padding loser who's never been able to help his teams win.......he actually fits in really well on most good teams. If he was making 30 million per year instead of 46 I think the trade market for him would have been red hot.

It's why I think it's a shame that teams didn't seem to value Zach very much. I agree that he can fit many teams and in the right role he'd be fine. Is he overpaid? Yeah, but for some teams that wouldn't matter.

Post #1154 » by **Ice Man** » Mon May 26, 2025 11:19 pm

rosenthall wrote:The odd thing about Zach is that despite being a stat-padding loser who's never been able to help his teams win.......he actually fits in really well on most good teams. If he was making 30 million per year instead of 46 I think the trade market for him would have been red hot.

I never understood why Zach's trade value wasn't higher. As you write, he's a great fit on a team that is strong defensively but needs more scoring punch. For example, swap him for Jalen Green and the Rockets immediately become better.

sco · Post #1155 » by **sco** » Mon May 26, 2025 11:49 pm

Ice Man wrote:
rosenthall wrote:The odd thing about Zach is that despite being a stat-padding loser who's never been able to help his teams win.......he actually fits in really well on most good teams. If he was making 30 million per year instead of 46 I think the trade market for him would have been red hot.

I never understood why Zach's trade value wasn't higher. As you write, he's a great fit on a team that is strong defensively but needs more scoring punch. For example, swap him for Jalen Green and the Rockets immediately become better.

Zach's trade value was low because he was heavily shopped and there were many rumblings of him being disgruntled. Also he was coming off a down year, despite his good play this season. Additionally, he is arguably oft-injured. Lastly, his contract was too large for most teams to take on without major roster restructuring, which is tough mid-season.

Post #1156 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Tue May 27, 2025 12:27 am

If Dallas is looking for either Jrue, Lonzo or CP3, Lonzo should be the best available on the table easily.

Jrue would cost too much and he is old.
CP3 is already old and cost more than Lonzo.

Lonzo only at 10 mil should be a nice get. If we can grab some draft cap from Dallas, that would be good.

sco · Post #1157 » by **sco** » Tue May 27, 2025 12:43 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:If Dallas is looking for either Jrue, Lonzo or CP3, Lonzo should be the best available on the table easily.

Jrue would cost too much and he is old.
CP3 is already old and cost more than Lonzo.

Lonzo only at 10 mil should be a nice get. If we can grab some draft cap from Dallas, that would be good.

DAL prob wouldn't but Christie would be a nice get.

MrSparkle · Post #1158 » by **MrSparkle** » Tue May 27, 2025 12:47 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:If Dallas is looking for either Jrue, Lonzo or CP3, Lonzo should be the best available on the table easily.

Jrue would cost too much and he is old.
CP3 is already old and cost more than Lonzo.

Lonzo only at 10 mil should be a nice get. If we can grab some draft cap from Dallas, that would be good.

Maybe they go for both? They’ll want depth at the backcourt since their frontcourt is stacked.

Celtics could do Jrue for PJ & Klay. They need to start breaking up contracts.

Lonzo shouldn’t be hard to target.

Either way, I think Dallas needs multiple guards. They’re pretty set with Davis, Flagg and Lively.

Post #1159 » by **Ice Man** » Tue May 27, 2025 11:18 am

Oh, belatedly, I wish to congratulate Thibs on my suggestion of starting Mitch Robinson rather than brining him off the bench. That worked out well; he should hire me as a consultant. :wink:

Dan Z · Post #1160 » by **Dan Z** » Wed May 28, 2025 12:36 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:If Dallas is looking for either Jrue, Lonzo or CP3, Lonzo should be the best available on the table easily.

Jrue would cost too much and he is old.
CP3 is already old and cost more than Lonzo.

Lonzo only at 10 mil should be a nice get. If we can grab some draft cap from Dallas, that would be good.

I doubt they'd give up a first for him. Do you think a few 2nds is enough?

Dallas owes a 2027 pick to Dallas and a 2029 to either Houston or Brooklyn. The earliest first they can trade is the 2029 Lakers pick (which they got for Luka) or their own 2031 pick.