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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1161 » by Jimako10 » Mon May 18, 2020 3:53 am

Krause's side of the story.

We had the finest coach in the game in Phil Jackson, whom the public did not know didn’t want to coach a rebuilding team and who’d informed us before the season that he wanted to ride off to Montana and take at least a year off.


As the summer wore on and players were locked out of the training facilities by the league — that would mean the NBA season would not start until late January — things got even worse. Michael sliced a finger on a cigar cutter that would’ve prevented him from playing an entire season. To his credit, he could have stiffed us and signed a huge contract. But he was honest and we were well informed what the condition of the hand was. He didn’t want to play on a rebuilding team, and he stuck to his word.


https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/jerry-krause-explains-why-bulls-dynasty-unraveled-his-words
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1162 » by firstDance » Mon May 18, 2020 3:54 am

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The 6ft Hurdle wrote:Had no idea of Kerr's connection to academia and UCLA in particular


Had no idea his father was assassinated. Screw to trying liberate and enlighten these countries that don't want us there.

We "liberate them" so they can wear Nike and eat McDonalds. Don't actually believe it is from the goodness of our hearts.

My apologies if this is off topic.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1163 » by prolific passer » Mon May 18, 2020 3:54 am

The bulls have been to the playoffs more since the 98 title than the White Sox have been since winning the 05 world series.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1164 » by MrSparkle » Mon May 18, 2020 3:58 am

Nice 5-week ride. Now back to reality... what do you do with a Dunn, Lauri, Zach and a Wendell?

And yes, JR is the cheapest bastard in all of American sports. Complaining about overpaying market value for old guys in the midst of a 4th title chance in a row... :noway: Glad the series ended as such. 22 years and still rebuilding. Ride it will it’s hot!

Who the hell expected 11 Mavs and 14 Spurs to win? Especially during the Big 3 Heat era? Reinsdorf would’ve never kept those Spurs past 2012.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1165 » by MrSparkle » Mon May 18, 2020 4:02 am

Jimako10 wrote:Krause's side of the story.

We had the finest coach in the game in Phil Jackson, whom the public did not know didn’t want to coach a rebuilding team and who’d informed us before the season that he wanted to ride off to Montana and take at least a year off.


As the summer wore on and players were locked out of the training facilities by the league — that would mean the NBA season would not start until late January — things got even worse. Michael sliced a finger on a cigar cutter that would’ve prevented him from playing an entire season. To his credit, he could have stiffed us and signed a huge contract. But he was honest and we were well informed what the condition of the hand was. He didn’t want to play on a rebuilding team, and he stuck to his word.


https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/jerry-krause-explains-why-bulls-dynasty-unraveled-his-words


All fair points... but it still begs the question - why the “rush” to rebuild? He literally ended up getting nobody of any value whatsoever for any single player he traded out besides Longley. Any reasonable FO would’ve let Phil Jackson take his ride to Montana, let him think on it and given him the entire summer to re-consider. Keep the cap clean — What, was there a race to sign Brent Barry?

Instead Krause was rapid ready to Hinkie the team. You don’t need to act fast to pull a Hinkie. Like M. Wilbon said in the interview after the doc: if MJ wanted to give it a 7th run, he would’ve been able to convince Phil and Pippen for a last run. The strikeout-shortened season would’ve cemented it.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1166 » by Jimako10 » Mon May 18, 2020 4:09 am

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Jimako10 wrote:Krause's side of the story.

We had the finest coach in the game in Phil Jackson, whom the public did not know didn’t want to coach a rebuilding team and who’d informed us before the season that he wanted to ride off to Montana and take at least a year off.


As the summer wore on and players were locked out of the training facilities by the league — that would mean the NBA season would not start until late January — things got even worse. Michael sliced a finger on a cigar cutter that would’ve prevented him from playing an entire season. To his credit, he could have stiffed us and signed a huge contract. But he was honest and we were well informed what the condition of the hand was. He didn’t want to play on a rebuilding team, and he stuck to his word.


https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/jerry-krause-explains-why-bulls-dynasty-unraveled-his-words


All fair points... but it still begs the question - why the “rush” to rebuild? He literally ended up getting nobody of any value whatsoever for any single player he traded out besides Longley. Any reasonable FO would’ve let Phil Jackson take his ride to Montana, let him think on it and given him the entire summer to re-consider. Keep the cap clean — What, was there a race to sign Brent Barry?

Instead Krause was rapid ready to Hinkie the team. You don’t need to act fast to pull a Hinkie. Like M. Wilbon said in the interview after the doc: if MJ wanted to give it a 7th run, he would’ve been able to convince Phil and Pippen for a last run. The strikeout-shortened season would’ve cemented it.


Agreed, they could've made it happen. But then you see JR coming out and saying they can't pay everyone market price and he didn't want to end up like the Celtics.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1167 » by JordansBulls » Mon May 18, 2020 4:09 am

Always loved Bob Costas

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Post#1168 » by Shill » Mon May 18, 2020 4:12 am

Man, that was epic.

I'm sad it's over.

I got chills seeing the end of game 6 again.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1169 » by Jo Jo English » Mon May 18, 2020 4:16 am

Jimako10 wrote:Krause's side of the story.

We had the finest coach in the game in Phil Jackson, whom the public did not know didn’t want to coach a rebuilding team and who’d informed us before the season that he wanted to ride off to Montana and take at least a year off.


I don't blame him. Phil, and especially Michael, deserved to not have to worry about a rebuilding team at that point in their careers. I know they were tired. I know they could have been done, but they deserved a chance to go out on their own terms. Not being told before the season even began that this was it.

As the summer wore on and players were locked out of the training facilities by the league — that would mean the NBA season would not start until late January — things got even worse. Michael sliced a finger on a cigar cutter that would’ve prevented him from playing an entire season. To his credit, he could have stiffed us and signed a huge contract. But he was honest and we were well informed what the condition of the hand was. He didn’t want to play on a rebuilding team, and he stuck to his word.


The cigar cutter story always irks me. Maybe for good reason, maybe not. It's become nearly accepted that Jordan would have been hampered during a potential 1999 season due to the finger injury. What I always believed was that at the point that injury occurred, regardless of what was publicly announced, Jordan knew he was not playing that season. Phil was gone. I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that MJ was well aware of what was inevitable and that led him to perhaps, maybe, be a little more lax in judgment during that off-season.

Jordan was a maniac when it came to preparation. I think it is at least reasonable that the cigar cutter incident doesn't happen if MJ is staring down a defense of his seat on the throne and not a retirement press conference.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

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Post#1172 » by Jimako10 » Mon May 18, 2020 4:32 am

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Post#1173 » by Repeat 3-peat » Mon May 18, 2020 4:57 am

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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1174 » by HomoSapien » Mon May 18, 2020 5:10 am

Those last two episodes were great. Reinsdorf at the end really pissed me off. It just seemed like such a cold takeaway about the guys who just won you a ring. Also seeing how hungry and angry Jordan still is makes you wish you could just inject him with a youth serum or something.

All this talk about not wanting to end up like the Celtics ... in the end, we ended up worse than them.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1175 » by SeniorWalker » Mon May 18, 2020 5:18 am

Leslie Forman wrote:Would anyone here still like to explain how Jerry Reinsdorf is not, in fact, a cheap bastard?

Also a coward for throwing a dead man under the bus. Krause gets enough blame. Reinsdorf doesn't get his and he deserves it the most.
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Post#1176 » by Shill » Mon May 18, 2020 5:25 am

One thing I always wondered, if Jordan and the Bulls returned intact, would the lockout have happened?
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1177 » by HomoSapien » Mon May 18, 2020 5:36 am

Shill wrote:One thing I always wondered, if Jordan and the Bulls returned intact, would the lockout have happened?


The lockout happened before Jordan retired. He actually waited to announce his retirement till the day after the lockout so that he wouldn't kill any leverage the players may have during negotiations.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1179 » by firstDance » Mon May 18, 2020 5:47 am

Episode 9. I understand this was "Kerr's episode" but not one single clip of Kukoc scoring his 21 points in Game 7? Toni was 1 point short of Reggie for the games 2nd highest scorer

I also think they should have shown Michael's failed drive in Game 6 with Bob Costa's famous "The Bulls and Pacers are going to the limit!" to even more set the moment. It was shown for a few seconds in the background of a Sportscenter clip

But there was a-lot packed into this episode.
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Re: OT- The Last Dance documentary 

Post#1180 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Mon May 18, 2020 6:09 am

That market value quote sums up moneybags JR. Even in a documentary interview, he simply doesn’t see how that quote is going to be taken, because at the end of the day, that’s all he cares about. And whatever is number 2 on his list of things he cares about, it’s well behind number 1.

And he complained about market value for Scottie after the steal of a contract he had for so long.
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