2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

[HomoSapien]

Orlando Robinson. Will write a longer post about him later, but he's going to be a steal.

Never heard of such a person, but I'm eagerly awaiting your synopsis.

Okay, very delayed response but I still think he’s going to be to be a steal. He’s got a great bounce, mobile for a true 7 footer, has a great first step, has mastered the jab step, has an array of spin moves when attacking the basket. He’ll likely be a second rounder but he’s being dinged because he’s a junior. He’ll be a nice steal for whoever gets him.

He really reminds me of Brian Williams/Bison Dele. Keep an eye on him.

Watch on YouTube

[Muzbar]

Orlando Robinson. Will write a longer post about him later, but he's going to be a steal.

Never heard of such a person, but I'm eagerly awaiting your synopsis.

Okay, very delayed response but I still think he’s going to be to be a steal. He’s got a great bounce, mobile for a true 7 footer, has a great first step, has mastered the jab step, has an array of spin moves when attacking the basket. He’ll likely be a second rounder but he’s being dinged because he’s a junior. He’ll be a nice steal for whoever gets him.

He really reminds me of Brian Williams/Bison Dele. Keep an eye on him.

Watch on YouTube

If we had a 2nd I'd love Orlando Robinson, he's got range out to the 3 and is a good shot blocker.

[Dresden]

Eason's talent pops. Get young Paul George vibes when I watched him play. But he will probably be gone by #18.

My concerns with Eason are two fold....BBIQ and shooting. A guy can be a defensive stopper but he has to be able to take and hit an open shot if left alone. The reason I like Liddell over Eason is that I have more confidence that Liddell can consistently hit from the corner "3" which is becoming a must have on kickouts after dribble penetration. Milwaukee killed us with those Corner 3s in the playoffs. I don't care how effective a guy is defensively, if he's non existent on offense he eventually sits on the bench except for spot minutes.

Liddell has very low athleticism and he is short and very big a 247 lbs. High floor very low ceiling player. Eason could a great 3&D wing that can also play backup PF. I’m tired of undersized 4s on this roster.

Very low athleticism? He had the highest standing vertical in the combine, and the 8th highest max vertical. He's only an inch shorter than Eason is, too. A number of his blocks came when he either chased guys down from behind, or raced over to provide weakside help- neither of which you see from players with "very low athleticism".

[Ballerkingn23]

Its Jovic/Ousmane Dieng for me. Let’s take biggest boom prospect.

[MrFortune3]

I don't even care - I want talent.

I understand the sentiment but the talent has to fit together. Otherwise you will eventually just have a glut of mismatched players that you have to trade.

I want to acquire the talent first then worry about fit. I don't like to fixate on what a 19 year old can't do when he brings some advanced talent at that same tender age.

I'm more of a glass half full guy and I cringe every time I see fans focus on a negative outcome that may never happen.

I have no issue with drafting talent but I do have an issue with drafting talent to the point of bad roster construction. Sixers, Suns, Magic, Hornets have all had this issue and they finally had to stop doing it before their teams improved.

[WindyCityBorn]

My concerns with Eason are two fold....BBIQ and shooting. A guy can be a defensive stopper but he has to be able to take and hit an open shot if left alone. The reason I like Liddell over Eason is that I have more confidence that Liddell can consistently hit from the corner "3" which is becoming a must have on kickouts after dribble penetration. Milwaukee killed us with those Corner 3s in the playoffs. I don't care how effective a guy is defensively, if he's non existent on offense he eventually sits on the bench except for spot minutes.

Liddell has very low athleticism and he is short and very big a 247 lbs. High floor very low ceiling player. Eason could a great 3&D wing that can also play backup PF. I’m tired of undersized 4s on this roster.

Very low athleticism? He had the highest standing vertical in the combine, and the 8th highest max vertical. He's only an inch shorter than Eason is, too. A number of his blocks came when he either chased guys down from behind, or raced over to provide weakside help- neither of which you see from players with "very low athleticism".

He has low athleticism. Scouting has lots of troubling finishing over long players and uses body which will result in offensive fouls. He absolutely NOT a plus athlete. Eason runs circles around him. Taller, longer, quicker, better defender in space.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Liddell has very low athleticism and he is short and very big a 247 lbs. High floor very low ceiling player. Eason could a great 3&D wing that can also play backup PF. I’m tired of undersized 4s on this roster.

Very low athleticism? He had the highest standing vertical in the combine, and the 8th highest max vertical. He's only an inch shorter than Eason is, too. A number of his blocks came when he either chased guys down from behind, or raced over to provide weakside help- neither of which you see from players with "very low athleticism".

He has low athleticism. Scouting has lots of troubling finishing over long players and uses body which will result in offensive fouls. He absolutely NOT a plus athlete. Eason runs circles around him. Taller, longer, quicker, better defender in space.

Everyone keeps saying that he's not athletic or can't guard quicker players, but the scouting reports (and the film) that I've seen suggest otherwise.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-2-round-edition-jabari-smith-magic-chet-holmgren-thunder/qzpmr02iw17z3n2ngslbppfa

18. Chicago Bulls: E.J. Liddell, Ohio State

Position: F

Height and weight: 6-foot-7, 240 lbs.

Age: 21, Junior

The Bulls' biggest weakness was their frontcourt and Liddell is a two-way forward who could help address that area of need. He may be undersized at 6-foot-7 but he's extremely athletic, strong and mobile to make up for what he lacks in height. He's a savvy post scorer and improved as a 3-point shooter over his three years at Ohio State. He projects as a power forward or small-ball center who could give Chicago a boost on both ends of the floor.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

PLUSES
Boasts a muscular 240-pound frame that can handle the rigors of the interior. He played center for most of his sophomore season despite standing at 6-foot-7. He’s an excellent shot blocker, especially in help situations rotating into the paint. In February, he had success defending Illinois star Kofi Cockburn.

Defensive versatility. As a junior, Liddell came back a better perimeter defender than ever. Early in the season, he shut down Paolo Banchero all over the court, and then continued to bother players across positions. In a switching defense, he can handle any position.

Lateral quickness and perimeter defense are listed as his strengths in this scouting report.

Watch on YouTube

;t=331s

I'm not saying he's out of the world athletic or fast, but he's not some big, slow guy who can't jump. He shows excellent body positioning and timing/instinct on offense and defense. This has helped to make him play bigger than 6'7". He has enough speed to beat bigger guys off the dribble, and enough power to bully smaller guys in the paint. He can score at all 3 levels, although his 3pt shot needs more consistency as it can get flat at times.

[BullChit]

I'm really coming around on Liddell.

He seems to fit that small ball big mentality that Billy Donovan wants to play but has the defensive Instincts and tools to pull it off.

[othawhitemeat]

Very low athleticism? He had the highest standing vertical in the combine, and the 8th highest max vertical. He's only an inch shorter than Eason is, too. A number of his blocks came when he either chased guys down from behind, or raced over to provide weakside help- neither of which you see from players with "very low athleticism".

He has low athleticism. Scouting has lots of troubling finishing over long players and uses body which will result in offensive fouls. He absolutely NOT a plus athlete. Eason runs circles around him. Taller, longer, quicker, better defender in space.

Everyone keeps saying that he's not athletic or can't guard quicker players, but the scouting reports (and the film) that I've seen suggest otherwise.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-2-round-edition-jabari-smith-magic-chet-holmgren-thunder/qzpmr02iw17z3n2ngslbppfa

18. Chicago Bulls: E.J. Liddell, Ohio State

Position: F

Height and weight: 6-foot-7, 240 lbs.

Age: 21, Junior

The Bulls' biggest weakness was their frontcourt and Liddell is a two-way forward who could help address that area of need. He may be undersized at 6-foot-7 but he's extremely athletic, strong and mobile to make up for what he lacks in height. He's a savvy post scorer and improved as a 3-point shooter over his three years at Ohio State. He projects as a power forward or small-ball center who could give Chicago a boost on both ends of the floor.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

PLUSES
Boasts a muscular 240-pound frame that can handle the rigors of the interior. He played center for most of his sophomore season despite standing at 6-foot-7. He’s an excellent shot blocker, especially in help situations rotating into the paint. In February, he had success defending Illinois star Kofi Cockburn.

Defensive versatility. As a junior, Liddell came back a better perimeter defender than ever. Early in the season, he shut down Paolo Banchero all over the court, and then continued to bother players across positions. In a switching defense, he can handle any position.

Lateral quickness and perimeter defense are listed as his strengths in this scouting report.

Watch on YouTube

;t=331s

I'm not saying he's out of the world athletic or fast, but he's not some big, slow guy who can't jump. He shows excellent body positioning and timing/instinct on offense and defense. This has helped to make him play bigger than 6'7". He has enough speed to beat bigger guys off the dribble, and enough power to bully smaller guys in the paint. He can score at all 3 levels, although his 3pt shot needs more consistency as it can get flat at times.

He probably is most polarizing player in draft. I just happen to be a believer in his game. A workhorse, very good athletic tools, high IQ, jack of all type. Peeps compare him to a PJ Tucker, but PJ did not have a 3 ball in college or really any scoring outside of bully ball. Liddell is also 2 inches taller I believe. Liddell has a mid range jumper, a 3 point shot, and at least in college, a mid range post up game. He needs to tune up his ball handling to create. I see his game as a mixture of some Grant Williams, Millsap, and some PJ Tucker. Not saying he will be the best of all that mix, but just some skillset.

[WYO]

Orlando Robinson. Will write a longer post about him later, but he's going to be a steal.

Never heard of such a person, but I'm eagerly awaiting your synopsis.

Okay, very delayed response but I still think he’s going to be to be a steal. He’s got a great bounce, mobile for a true 7 footer, has a great first step, has mastered the jab step, has an array of spin moves when attacking the basket. He’ll likely be a second rounder but he’s being dinged because he’s a junior. He’ll be a nice steal for whoever gets him.

He really reminds me of Brian Williams/Bison Dele. Keep an eye on him.

Watch on YouTube

Robinson is an interesting prospect. He seemed disinterested in being "the guy" for Fresno State and played passively way too often for being Fresno's only good player. I don't think he has the personality to be a star in the NBA but he has the athleticism and size to be a 4/5 that can shoot and defend.

He's a guy that would be perfect for a team like the Lakers that have stars and need a role playing starter or the warriors who play great team ball.

[sco]

He has low athleticism. Scouting has lots of troubling finishing over long players and uses body which will result in offensive fouls. He absolutely NOT a plus athlete. Eason runs circles around him. Taller, longer, quicker, better defender in space.

Everyone keeps saying that he's not athletic or can't guard quicker players, but the scouting reports (and the film) that I've seen suggest otherwise.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-2-round-edition-jabari-smith-magic-chet-holmgren-thunder/qzpmr02iw17z3n2ngslbppfa

18. Chicago Bulls: E.J. Liddell, Ohio State

Position: F

Height and weight: 6-foot-7, 240 lbs.

Age: 21, Junior

The Bulls' biggest weakness was their frontcourt and Liddell is a two-way forward who could help address that area of need. He may be undersized at 6-foot-7 but he's extremely athletic, strong and mobile to make up for what he lacks in height. He's a savvy post scorer and improved as a 3-point shooter over his three years at Ohio State. He projects as a power forward or small-ball center who could give Chicago a boost on both ends of the floor.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

PLUSES
Boasts a muscular 240-pound frame that can handle the rigors of the interior. He played center for most of his sophomore season despite standing at 6-foot-7. He’s an excellent shot blocker, especially in help situations rotating into the paint. In February, he had success defending Illinois star Kofi Cockburn.

Defensive versatility. As a junior, Liddell came back a better perimeter defender than ever. Early in the season, he shut down Paolo Banchero all over the court, and then continued to bother players across positions. In a switching defense, he can handle any position.

Lateral quickness and perimeter defense are listed as his strengths in this scouting report.

Watch on YouTube

;t=331s

I'm not saying he's out of the world athletic or fast, but he's not some big, slow guy who can't jump. He shows excellent body positioning and timing/instinct on offense and defense. This has helped to make him play bigger than 6'7". He has enough speed to beat bigger guys off the dribble, and enough power to bully smaller guys in the paint. He can score at all 3 levels, although his 3pt shot needs more consistency as it can get flat at times.

He probably is most polarizing player in draft. I just happen to be a believer in his game. A workhorse, very good athletic tools, high IQ, jack of all type. Peeps compare him to a PJ Tucker, but PJ did not have a 3 ball in college or really any scoring outside of bully ball. Liddell is also 2 inches taller I believe. Liddell has a mid range jumper, a 3 point shot, and at least in college, a mid range post up game. He needs to tune up his ball handling to create. I see his game as a mixture of some Grant Williams, Millsap, and some PJ Tucker. Not saying he will be the best of all that mix, but just some skillset.

I am torn on him, but this is one where I'd trust AK to make the right call. I probably come down on being ok with him, strictly because of the 3pt shooting. If he can be a better 3pt shooting version of Jones Jr., I'd be happy.

That said, watching more video on him, he looks slow laterally, and would suffer the same sort of challenges Pat does in guarding quicker SF's. And then there is the reality of trying to find a guy who will be able to deal with the monster PF's in the East, and I worry about that with him.

[Dresden]

Liddell has very low athleticism and he is short and very big a 247 lbs. High floor very low ceiling player. Eason could a great 3&D wing that can also play backup PF. I’m tired of undersized 4s on this roster.

Very low athleticism? He had the highest standing vertical in the combine, and the 8th highest max vertical. He's only an inch shorter than Eason is, too. A number of his blocks came when he either chased guys down from behind, or raced over to provide weakside help- neither of which you see from players with "very low athleticism".

He has low athleticism. Scouting has lots of troubling finishing over long players and uses body which will result in offensive fouls. He absolutely NOT a plus athlete. Eason runs circles around him. Taller, longer, quicker, better defender in space.

Not being a plus athlete is not the same as having "low athleticism". I'm not going to argue that Eason is the better defender, or the better prospect. I'm just saying he's got a good chance to be a very solid pro- maybe even a starting level player.

It's also a leap to say he's going to have trouble with offensive fouls in the nba- they let guys get away with more in the nba than they do in college, and he didn't have a lot of problem in that area in college.

While he does have trouble finishing over longer players, he's also excellent at backing down smaller players and shooting over them, skills that Eason does not have yet.

I like Eason a lot too, and would take him over Liddell. But if Eason is gone, as well as Jalen Williams, Duren, Mark Williams, Ogbaji, etc, then I would be fine with taking Liddell. I like him more than either Jovic or Dieng or Ty Washington.

[Dresden]

Yahoo published their final mock today, and they have us taking Eason. I think players slotted anywhere between 14-25 or so are the ones that are likely in play for us, maybe with a few exceptions (like Chandler). According to Yahoo's mock those would be:

14) Agbaji
15) Mark Williams
16) Dieng
17) Jalen Williams
18) Eason
19) Wesley
20) Dalen Terry
21) Ty Ty
22) Jovic
23) Kessler
24) Chandler
25) Liddell

[HoopsterJones]

I’d like to see the Bulls acquire a SRP some how (cash considerations?). As it stands the Bulls do not have a SRP until 2026. The Magic have picks 32 and 35 for instance, although I don’t think they want to help the Bulls improve since they are owed a pick 2023 FRP.

[Dresden]

Here are combine results: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2137404&p=99810769#p99810769

Liddell's lane agility test was better than guys like Blake Wesley and Malaki Branham, both sg's.

His shuttle run was not as good, but he still finished higher than Wesley, Patrick Baldwin and several other sg's and sf's like Ron Harper Jr.

His 3/4 sprint time was better than all but 2 pf's, and was better than quite a few sg's/sf's.

None of his tests indicate that he'll be slow. He also had one of the higher body fat %, so with some work at the nba level training room, he should be able to chisel that a bit more and likely pick up some quickness. He did that between soph and junior years, and that was one reason he got so much better. There's room for more improvement in that dept. with him.

[drosestruts]

still interested in trading back with Memphis for 22 and 29, but do not want two rookies on the team next year as roster space is tight and we need help in so many areas (and mid to late firsts rarely contribute in year 1).

Trading back and taking Jovic (stash for a year) and one of Kendall Brown (hope he can provide defense and athleticism from day 1), Patrick Baldwin (pure upside pick), or Christian Braun (seems like a prototypical 3&d, limited but has a role) has some appeal to me.

[yifsuibfe1]

I’d like to see the Bulls acquire a SRP some how (cash considerations?). As it stands the Bulls do not have a SRP until 2026. The Magic have picks 32 and 35 for instance, although I don’t think they want to help the Bulls improve since they are owed a pick 2023 FRP.

Can someone clarify how this league punishment will work? As I understand it, the next second pick Chicago acquires in any way is forfeited, correct? Or no?

[sco]

I’d like to see the Bulls acquire a SRP some how (cash considerations?). As it stands the Bulls do not have a SRP until 2026. The Magic have picks 32 and 35 for instance, although I don’t think they want to help the Bulls improve since they are owed a pick 2023 FRP.

Can someone clarify how this league punishment will work? As I understand it, the next second pick Chicago acquires in any way is forfeited, correct? Or no?

That's the "simple version" I am led to believe, which led me to ask the question about just buying the cheapest available 2nd round pick to buy our way out.

[HoopsterJones]

I’d like to see the Bulls acquire a SRP some how (cash considerations?). As it stands the Bulls do not have a SRP until 2026. The Magic have picks 32 and 35 for instance, although I don’t think they want to help the Bulls improve since they are owed a pick 2023 FRP.

Can someone clarify how this league punishment will work? As I understand it, the next second pick Chicago acquires in any way is forfeited, correct? Or no?

From what I understand it’s the Denver 2023 SRP that is forfeited since that is the next Bulls SRP they owned at the time the punishment was handed out.

[WYO]

From the draft combine testing it looks like Jake Laravia, David Roddy, and Michael Foster Jr tested pretty well for big guys in the agility testing. I don't know much about
Foster but those other two are pretty good basketball players.