Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[BeKuK]

Why should he disagree with somebody who just spoke the truth out of his mouth? I don't get it.

[jumpmanjay]

What is perplexing here to you? Derrick Rose is complaining about not having a talented team, yet he didn't actively help recruit talented players when the Chicago Bulls had its best chance at attaining them. Instead, he had his brothers publicly call out the team during a point in the season when absolutely nothing could be done about it. I don't mind him asking for a more talented team publicly at all. How he did it was handled incredibly poorly.

Why do you keep saying this about 2010 & you never answered my post when it was addressed?

I will repeat it again, Homes.

What was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.

the thing is, it doesnt matter that they werent coming here. todays swaddled superstars want to be pursued. if derrick (as the teams franchise player) did not help pursue those guys and then go and complain that they are not putting enough talent around him, that is stupid.

derrick has said he will "let them do their job" in regards to the FO. we see now, that stance has changed. he is now just like any other superstar that wants to be the GM.

[sco]

The whole "second star" strategy is very risky for management because:

1) You need to be able to build a team around cap friendly assets that have value to the team with the departing star. Teams constructed that way are usually mediocre or bad because you aren't able to get enough really good guys to be under contracts like that. And sometimes the "second star" is looking for a winning situation, not a salary slot.

2) You need to stay flexible long enough for a "second star" to become available. Often times, teams just bite on the best available guy (which is sorta what happened with Bulls and Boozer)...then you're done.

3) Geography and market size matters a lot to these type of guys as well. Chicago is a bigger market than most, but less attractive than NY and LA, and probably compares less favorably to cities like Miami, San Fran and maybe Boston and Orlando too.

[DuckIII]

It like some guys secretary tells you how much her boss hates the company but then we believe its only his secretarys opinion.

I am nearly inclined to sig that level of perception. But my current sig, particularly today, makes me want to continue to honor the actual team. You know, those guys playing.

I see where you're coming from Duck, but I think Reggie might be the boss and Derrick the secretary.

I do not doubt that possibility one bit.

[Mech Engineer]

derricks statement did not at all suggest he disagreed with reggie.

That's true. It looks like Derrick tacitly agrees with Reggie. The possibility of Reggie going rogue on his comments is very slim...it is obviously possible, but doesn't make sense logically. That doesn't mean Derrick is some dumb guy either. He got it done through the right channels(maybe his agent would have been a better choice). Most of us know working at a corporation and you want changes but you are not sure of how to get it done because you are young or inexperienced. It is not easy to convince the "know-it-alls" who have done these things for a long time and it is their job. Leaders (GarPax/Jerry) have to know when to listen, when to change, when to act. So, it is not about always listening to your best player's suggestions but also about not thinking they know everything.

Derrick might have been that wide-eyed boy before but he probably is understanding how things work in the NBA offices. He has probably talked to other guys like Melo, Howard who have gone through this. IMO, there is a difference in building slowly when you don't have a superstar to build around and when you have one. The Isiah Knicks example is different. They didn't have anyone to build around and kept looking for that guy. In hindsight, Isiah made mistakes but did it make such a big difference eventually? It is better to try hard and fail rather than being scared to spend or make moves. Off-course, there are extremes in making moves. But, Paxson's good team-building before Rose arrived was commendable in a way. But, he has to take the next step now and cannot keep building with the same process like he did from 2004-2008. It seems like he gets out a little bit and comes back into his safe cocoon way of thinking when he has to take a risk.

In total, IMO, Derrick has probably watched Paxson/Bulls FO not pull triggers on many deals and that has culminated with this interview. Hopefully, this is it and there is no "Howard or Melo" type drama in the future.

[Professor Frink]

I don't think this opinion will be popular. Which is why I didnt include in the previous post because I didnt want to make that post ABOUT the unpopular opinion.

Which is that Derrick Rose is a dumbass. Not as an insult. I think he's a dullard, a dimwit, a moron, a George to Reggie's Lenny, if you will. I think he's been controlled by his brother since he was in high school (and I KNOW that Reggie controls which interviews Rose does and which questions in the interview he is allowed to answer), and I think that is why you can find this throughline going on.

And the next likely thought is: what does it matter if this isn't Derrick Rose driving this talk, if Reggie basically acts like his brain? Because its a lot easier to separate a guy from another guy than to separate a guy from his own opinion.

If this is Rose's opinion, it may manifest on the court, in his attitude, in his effort. And I don't think that's showing because I don't think it's really his opinion.

I just hope this doesn't end with Rose smothering Nate Robinson because he pet him too hard is all.

All I have to say is that is the post of the thread. Funny funny stuff.

[blumeany]

Kind of silly that we are 79 pages in and we're still having some petty arguments.

Look, I think 90% of us would agree that there is at least a morsel of truth in what Reggie said. I think all of us can say that *at least maybe* the FO could have been/be more aggressive in surround Derrick with better talent. We can mostly look at how they handled signing Hamilton, Taj, and losing Asik for nothing and call that into question.

Where I think most disagree is whether either Reggie, or Derrick, or anyone else in Derrick's camp should have come out to the media - at this point in time - when Derrick is still recovering from his injury, when his team is playing hard without him, when we're in the middle of the season, and say what he said.

IMO - what was to gain with what he said? The trade deadline was pretty much passed at the time, the Bulls do not have financial wiggle room at the moment to pull off something big, there wasn't anyone on the market that was truly available or made much sense. There was absolutely no advantage to Reggie saying what he said when he said it. None. All it is going to do now is start a ****. A **** between Derrick and the FO, Derrick and his teammates, Derrick and the media, Derrick and the fans. And yes, I acknowledge that his teammates are professionals and have a job to do. And yes, I acknowledge that maybe one or two of them feel the same way about the team. But still, there's no justification for it. This was something that should have been kept behind closed doors and openly discussed about with management. This was something that, at the very least, should have waited until the end of the season and before the trade deadline. In that way, it wouldn't be nearly as distractive for the team and it would still be at a time when the organization could possibly make a move or two.

So what has Reggie accomplished?

1. He's made his brother look like a mercenary who will only play if the FO meets his demands, as opposed to 24 hours earlier when everyone was just looking forward to him coming back and all was positive.

2. He's pissed off the FO and the coaching staff because now do they not only have to deal with the daily barrage of 'when's Derrick coming back?' questions, but now they have to discuss the dirty laundry.

3. He's probably pissed off a number of Derrick's teammates who have been busting their asses trying to hold the fort while he's out. Yes, I am one of the people on this board asking for trades, but I think there's a big difference between a random board poster calling for them to be traded mercilessly and their own teammate doing so publicly.

4. He's forced Derrick to make an obsurd 'official statement' via the Bulls that makes him look even more like a puppet.

Congratulations Oney Rose, you should get a Twitter handle and start having flame wars with John Paxson.

[jumpmanjay]

Why should he disagree with somebody who just spoke the truth out of his mouth? I don't get it.

because he just threw all of your teammates under the bus.

"It's great, man, knowing that they're winning games. It seems like they're fighting for me so I don't have anything but respect for how hard they've been working."

you say it seems like they are fighting for you and then the next week say that they arent good enough? what a slap in the face.

[DuckIII]

I have to admit I don't have the time to read 78 pages.

After Reggie made those moronic comments, have there been any updates, reactions, etc?

Derrick Rose refused to speak to a reporter and then issued a disturbing cold coffee statement "supporting" the FO after meeting with GarPax for 5 minutes.

The rest has just been us freaking out on each other.

[BeKuK]

derrick has said he will "let them do their job"

Which is -by the Way- THERE job and not Derrick's and they get paid for that and not Derrick.

he is now just like any other superstar that wants to be the GM.

A Superstar who wants so badly to bring the trophy back to Chicago, probably much more than anybody else because he is frooooooommmmmm CHICAGOOOOO.

I can remember that over 95% of ther members here loved him for NOT KISSING Lebrons or Wades as* to come to Chicago and now it's bad! lol

Well done Bulls Fans....we definitely know what "respect" is....ummmm or not.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

What is perplexing here to you? Derrick Rose is complaining about not having a talented team, yet he didn't actively help recruit talented players when the Chicago Bulls had its best chance at attaining them. Instead, he had his brothers publicly call out the team during a point in the season when absolutely nothing could be done about it. I don't mind him asking for a more talented team publicly at all. How he did it was handled incredibly poorly.

Why do you keep saying this about 2010 & you never answered my post when it was addressed?

I will repeat it again, Homes.

What was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.

the thing is, it doesnt matter that they werent coming here. todays swaddled superstars want to be pursued. if derrick (as the teams franchise player) did not help pursue those guys and then go and complain that they are not putting enough talent around him, that is stupid.

That's the opposite of stupid.

You & others are in one breath admitting that those players weren't coming here, but in the same breath, you & others are criticizing Rose for not pursuing those players.

derrick has said he will "let them do their job" in regards to the FO. we see now, that stance has changed. he is now just like any other superstar that wants to be the GM.

If it his stance has changed, maybe it's a good thing.

[blumeany]

I have to admit I don't have the time to read 78 pages.

After Reggie made those moronic comments, have there been any updates, reactions, etc?

Derrick Rose refused to speak to a reporter and then issued a disturbing cold coffee statement "supporting" the FO after meeting with GarPax for 5 minutes.

The rest has just been us freaking out on each other.

[Gregnice33]

derricks statement did not at all suggest he disagreed with reggie.

That's true. It looks like Derrick tacitly agrees with Reggie. The possibility of Reggie going rogue on his comments is very slim...it is obviously possible, but doesn't make sense logically. That doesn't mean Derrick is some dumb guy either.

DRose is a dumb guy, sorry to say, and is has nothing to do with any recent comments. He had to have someone take the SATs for him, and it isn't like he needed a great score to gain admission to freaking Memphis as a basketball star. If that isn't enough evidence just listen to him speak.

Derrick lets his family do his thinking for him, and that is what is scary about Reggie's comments.

I have been annoyed with the whole the return proganda, hyping his return when his teammates constantly play through pain and injury, while he can't even sit on the bench and support his teammates.

And this from Derrick "I don't recruit players (aside from the great Captain Kirk)" but I need more stars/help.

Drose doesn't play this year and I'm officially off the bandwagon!!!

[WinCity]

Excellent outline and this is precisely why I think the Rose's planned this, or at the very least this represents Derricks genuine views even if he didn't ask Reggie to come out and say this.

And this thing on which you and I agree is the foundation of virtually every post I've written in this thread. The difference being on whether or not we agree that it should have been presented by his camp today, or in season at all. I believe the argument in favor of the timing disregards the teammate aspect of team sports, and focusses solely on Rose and the FO. And that isn't my gripe or concern.

Concerning timing, I just dont think there was much to lose this season. Never have. I was a tank/restructure the roster lineup guy from the get go. Who knows maybe Reggie was too. I get that this may be disruptive, but it would also be also stir things up in the off season. I'm not worried about the Bulls dropping a few games because of this although frankly I dont see that happening.

[Mech Engineer]

I think the deal about LeBron/Wade/Bosh not coming here is not entirely Rose's fault. There is a lot of blame to pass around and it is also about timing. IMO, LeBron/Wade/Bosh would have come to the Bulls if it was 2011 and not 2010. Nobody knew that Rose was such a player, the Bulls were an 8th seed who got swept by a LeBron's team from which he was almost gone mentally. IMO, LeBron wanted a father figure who has won championships as a coach/team builder to be the boss and there is no way he would take GarPax over Riley for that. I don't like LeBron as much as any Bulls fan but if he was all about money, he could have gone to NY or if he was all about being wide-eyed, he would have come to Chicago to play on his idol's team. He made a calculated decision based on his make-up/needs.

And, past history did some damage to that on how the Bulls broke up the dynasty.

[DuckIII]

I just hope this doesn't end with Rose smothering Nate Robinson because he pet him too hard is all.

I almost included that same opinion in my first post in the thread, by the way, but didn't for the same reason. Instead I took a shot at him cheating on the SAT's, which in hindsight was just as much a distraction as saying he's a dimwit.

To me though, it doesn't matter if Rose is "telling" Reggie to do it (I don't think that's the case at all) or if Rose is passively agreeing to go along with this plan that Team Derrick has concocted (which he obviously did, and took an active role in executing it). Both are red flags, albeit for slightly different reasons.

[PMONSTER]

DRose is a dumb guy, sorry to say, and is has nothing to do with any recent comments. He had to have someone take the SATs for him, and it isn't like he needed a great score to gain admission to freaking Memphis as a basketball star. If that isn't enough evidence just listen to him speak.

Derrick lets his family do his thinking for him, and that is what is scary about Reggie's comments.

I have been annoyed with the whole the return proganda, hyping his return when his teammates constantly play through pain and injury, while he can't even sit on the bench and support his teammates.

And this from Derrick "I don't recruit players (aside from the great Captain Kirk)" but I need more stars/help.

Drose doesn't play this year and I'm officially off the bandwagon!!!

Oh boy.

Some people need to go jogging or something

[Mech Engineer]

derricks statement did not at all suggest he disagreed with reggie.

That's true. It looks like Derrick tacitly agrees with Reggie. The possibility of Reggie going rogue on his comments is very slim...it is obviously possible, but doesn't make sense logically. That doesn't mean Derrick is some dumb guy either.

DRose is a dumb guy, sorry to say, and is has nothing to do with any recent comments. He had to have someone take the SATs for him, and it isn't like he needed a great score to gain admission to freaking Memphis as a basketball star. If that isn't enough evidence just listen to him speak.

Derrick lets his family do his thinking for him, and that is what is scary about Reggie's comments.

I have been annoyed with the whole the return proganda, hyping his return when his teammates constantly play through pain and injury, while he can't even sit on the bench and support his teammates.

And this from Derrick "I don't recruit players (aside from the great Captain Kirk)" but I need more stars/help.

Drose doesn't play this year and I'm officially off the bandwagon!!!

I am sorry, I disagree. If we start measuring people based on scores in a test like SAT or just because he is an introvert, that's crazy. He might not be book-smart because of the neighborhood he grew up and obviously the attention he paid to books when he was young. That doesn't mean he doesn't have any latent intelligence.

Reggie is probably his mentor and there is nothing wrong with using his mentor to put a point across.

I am not a fan of Derrick Rose as a person. It is not because of this incident. He is just a basketball player of the Bulls to me. He is a human. He will have good and bad qualities and I am not smart to decide if he is dumb/bad human based on some comments.

[Gregnice33]

DRose is a dumb guy, sorry to say, and is has nothing to do with any recent comments. He had to have someone take the SATs for him, and it isn't like he needed a great score to gain admission to freaking Memphis as a basketball star. If that isn't enough evidence just listen to him speak.

Derrick lets his family do his thinking for him, and that is what is scary about Reggie's comments.

I have been annoyed with the whole the return proganda, hyping his return when his teammates constantly play through pain and injury, while he can't even sit on the bench and support his teammates.

And this from Derrick "I don't recruit players (aside from the great Captain Kirk)" but I need more stars/help.

Drose doesn't play this year and I'm officially off the bandwagon!!!

Oh boy.

Some people need to go jogging or something

I am going to lift later, maybe that will help, lol.

I have been frustrated with the Bulls play and Derricks absence, and Reggie's comments lit a fire under my a$$. I know I am overreacting but hey isn't that what messages boards are for ; )

[bullslas]

I respect Charles, and he's right in this situation. A reporter talks to the brother/manager and he says things that yes some fans might be thinking, but he's really in no situation to say that. Rose, publicly has always said this team has enough and he did not need to recruit.

I wonder what his teamates think of him now. This is the 3rd time this has come out. Last year with the Gasol opinions, it seemed like it was coming from the Rose camp.

The good thing, hopefully management understands, he's not happy, and we need to rebuilt a new core, and Deng and Noah should be on the table. I think the Bulls were ready to make moves over the summer, but Rose got injured.