LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

[Clint Eastwood]

Ok, I was feeling your logic about mirotic and cats pick, then you said taj is better than Aldridge? I hope we have no Portland fans mulling about because insane comments like this will be thrown back at us for years implying that bulls fans here are way too homeristic. I have to imagine that you are the only person on these boards that carries this opinion. We should conduct a pole on it. We might have the first shutout pole ever in real gm history. And I'm not an Aldridge lover. But I'd be fine acquiring him, but I won't include nah or mirotic.

taj's defense is not only good - it's elite. game changing. aldridge does nothing really well and is a poor rebounder. you simply have to consider both sides of the ball

Ironically, Gibson has both Boozer and Aldridge beat in FG%, TS% and EFG% in the playoffs. His per game and per 36 scoring sucks, but he's taking 5 less shots per 36 than Aldridge and 4 less shots per 36 than Boozer.

Maybe Gibson should shoot more.

People underestimate the ability to get makeable shots off. If taj were to take as any shts on average as Aldridge he'd probably shoot 40%. Yes his defense is elite. But If he was more valuable than Aldridge, thibs would play him over boozer. Players like him get exposed when they play too much. And taj next to Noah while elite defensively is very substandard offensively. Must learn balance, Daniel-San.

[Polynice4Pippen]

You are right polynice, Aldridge isn't Curry. Curry's career rebound% is 12.0 which is unbelievably bad....Aldridge in his playoff career is a solid....uh wait a second, he has been below 12.0 every year in the playoffs? He was under 10 one year?

Bulls don't need soft players who stand outside and shoot long 2 pointers. You can pretend Aldridge is some defensive wizard but hes weak and gets pushed around.

Come on, we all know we'd be bringing in Aldridge for those 20 points a night. 20 and 9 as he did last season. That's why Gar/Pax are after him, it's pretty simple. He doesn't just stand outside and shoot long 2's. No one called him a defensive wizard. No need for exaggeration here. Just relax, it's all good. Gar/Pax may be close to a deal that puts us over the top. Enjoy it.

[chadrucf]

I'm not seriously saying Gibson is as good or better than either Boozer or Aldridge offensively, but he ought to get a few more shots with numbers like that. He needs more minutes as it is. He's not as bad offensively as he's made out to be. His regular season numbers are very similar as well.

[Polynice4Pippen]

I'm not seriously saying Gibson is as good or better than either Boozer or Aldridge offensively, but he ought to get a few more shots with numbers like that. He needs more minutes as it is. He's not as bad offensively as he's made out to be. His regular season numbers are very similar as well.

Taj refuses to post up more. That's his fault because he's actually decent at it. He settles for midrange jumpers too much. He doesn't have the offensive mentality to want to score big every night, which is fine, that's not his role. But we have to accept who he is as a player. A guy who doesn't look for his offense all that much.

[dice]

But If he was more valuable than Aldridge, thibs would play him over boozer

i think that's a fallacy. just because thibs is an excellent coach doesn't mean he makes the right decision all the time

Players like him get exposed when they play too much

taj's career has shown this to be demonstrably false

And taj next to Noah while elite defensively is very substandard offensively. Must learn balance, Daniel-San.

that's fair. which is why it would be completely reasonable to start aldridge over taj even though i think taj is a bit better overall

[Mech Engineer]

I'm not seriously saying Gibson is as good or better than either Boozer or Aldridge offensively, but he ought to get a few more shots with numbers like that. He needs more minutes as it is. He's not as bad offensively as he's made out to be. His regular season numbers are very similar as well.

Taj refuses to post up more. That's his fault because he's actually decent at it. He settles for midrange jumpers too much. He doesn't have the offensive mentality to want to score big every night, which is fine, that's not his role. But we have to accept who he is as a player. A guy who doesn't look for his offense all that much.

Aldridge or not, the Bulls have to change something about the Boozer/Taj dynamic. It has been going for 3 years now and it has been consistently bad. Taj has come through sometimes so has Boozer. I hope somehow Taj can get into a rhythm and get some confidence in his shooting. He is not a Kyle Korver or Nate to come in cold and start shooting well. Most of the time, he has done well when his defense is dominating and him picking up that momentum. I hope Thibs somehow starts Boozer but still runs a lot of plays for Taj with the better line-ups then putting him in with bad line-ups.

[chadrucf]

Come on, we all know we'd be bringing in Aldridge for those 20 points a night. 20 and 9 as he did last season. That's why Gar/Pax are after him, it's pretty simple.

He wouldn't play 38 minutes a night here or 40 in the playoffs; So no, he wouldn't be 20/9 every night.

He doesn't just stand outside and shoot long 2's.

Aldridge:
40.7% of shots <10 ft

Boozer:
50.8% of shots <10 ft

He does a heck of a lot more than Boozer. And people complain about Boozer taking jumpers instead of going to the rim.

[aaqubed]

mirotic could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper), the cats pick could end up better than aldridge (much, much cheaper) and taj in my opinion is already better than aldridge (and much cheaper). no brainer

Ok, I was feeling your logic about mirotic and cats pick, then you said taj is better than Aldridge? I hope we have no Portland fans mulling about because insane comments like this will be thrown back at us for years implying that bulls fans here are way too homeristic. I have to imagine that you are the only person on these boards that carries this opinion. We should conduct a pole on it. We might have the first shutout pole ever in real gm history. And I'm not an Aldridge lover. But I'd be fine acquiring him, but I won't include nah or mirotic.

taj's defense is not only good - it's elite. game changing. aldridge does nothing really well and is a poor rebounder. you simply have to consider both sides of the ball

According to synergy, Aldridge was 22nd in the league in efficiency on post-ups (Boozer was 72nd). Not necessarily "elite" but very good and a big improvement there.

Aldridge was also 16th in the league in RAPM (+4.2, which breaks down as +2.1 ORating and +2.1 DRating). Note: Taj was absolutely elite on D according to this metric, he was 6th in the league overall in RAPM (+5.4 overall, +.4 ORating and +5.0 DRating). Boozer was not so good. Ranked 258 with an RAPM of -1.8.

In 2011-12:

Aldridge +3.2
Taj +3.6
Boozer -0.1

In 2010-11:

Aldridge +3.2
Taj +0.8
Boozer +0.5

Overall, he represents a significant upgrade over Boozer, despite not being much more efficient from the floor. I do think that his post game can be utilized more, since his efficiency there seems to be in the higher range for the league.

[dice]

Come on, we all know we'd be bringing in Aldridge for those 20 points a night. 20 and 9 as he did last season. That's why Gar/Pax are after him, it's pretty simple.

He wouldn't play 38 minutes a night here or 40 in the playoffs; So no, he wouldn't be 20/9 every night

unless we traded taj for him and amnestied booz. but even then he'd no longer be the #1A option with derrick rose running the show

[chadrucf]

I'm not seriously saying Gibson is as good or better than either Boozer or Aldridge offensively, but he ought to get a few more shots with numbers like that. He needs more minutes as it is. He's not as bad offensively as he's made out to be. His regular season numbers are very similar as well.

Taj refuses to post up more. That's his fault because he's actually decent at it. He settles for midrange jumpers too much. He doesn't have the offensive mentality to want to score big every night, which is fine, that's not his role. But we have to accept who he is as a player. A guy who doesn't look for his offense all that much.

62% of his shots were inside 10 ft. He's in the post plenty. He's just only playing 20 minutes a game. His per game numbers aren't going to compare to someone playing twice as many minutes.

[dice]

Aldridge was also 16th in the league in RAPM (+4.2, which breaks down as +2.1 ORating and +2.1 DRating). Note: Taj was absolutely elite on D according to this metric, he was 6th in the league overall in RAPM (+5.4 overall, +.4 ORating and +5.0 DRating). Boozer was not so good. Ranked 258 with an RAPM of -1.8.

In 2011-12:

Aldridge +3.2
Taj +3.6
Boozer -0.1

In 2010-11:

Aldridge +3.2
Taj +0.8
Boozer +0.5

Overall, he represents a significant upgrade over Boozer, despite not being much more efficient from the floor. I do think that his post game can be utilized more, since his efficiency there seems to be in the higher range for the league.

even if you treat RAPM as gospel (i don't - far from it) this still argues strongly against trading for LMA and instead starting taj gibson

[OldSchoolNoBull]

I'm not seriously saying Gibson is as good or better than either Boozer or Aldridge offensively, but he ought to get a few more shots with numbers like that. He needs more minutes as it is. He's not as bad offensively as he's made out to be. His regular season numbers are very similar as well.

Taj refuses to post up more. That's his fault because he's actually decent at it. He settles for midrange jumpers too much. He doesn't have the offensive mentality to want to score big every night, which is fine, that's not his role. But we have to accept who he is as a player. A guy who doesn't look for his offense all that much.

62% of his shots were inside 10 ft. He's in the post plenty. He's just only playing 20 minutes a game. His per game numbers aren't going to compare to someone playing twice as many minutes.

His per36 scoring numbers aren't much better.

[dice]

I'm not seriously saying Gibson is as good or better than either Boozer or Aldridge offensively, but he ought to get a few more shots with numbers like that. He needs more minutes as it is. He's not as bad offensively as he's made out to be. His regular season numbers are very similar as well.

Taj refuses to post up more. That's his fault because he's actually decent at it. He settles for midrange jumpers too much. He doesn't have the offensive mentality to want to score big every night, which is fine, that's not his role. But we have to accept who he is as a player. A guy who doesn't look for his offense all that much.

62% of his shots were inside 10 ft. He's in the post plenty. He's just only playing 20 minutes a game. His per game numbers aren't going to compare to someone playing twice as many minutes.

to be fair, an unusual number of his shots are probably putbacks or transition points since he's not a focal point of the offense

hard to measure aggressiveness or willingness to post up statistically

[Polynice4Pippen]

Come on, we all know we'd be bringing in Aldridge for those 20 points a night. 20 and 9 as he did last season. That's why Gar/Pax are after him, it's pretty simple.

He wouldn't play 38 minutes a night here or 40 in the playoffs; So no, he wouldn't be 20/9 every night.

He doesn't just stand outside and shoot long 2's.

Aldridge:
40.7% of shots <10 ft

Boozer:
50.8% of shots <10 ft

He does a heck of a lot more than Boozer. And people complain about Boozer taking jumpers instead of going to the rim.

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You don't know HOW many minutes a night Aldridge would play in a Bulls uniform. Especially if Gibson were sent to Portland as a result of the trade. Let's not act like Thibs doesn't give guys big minutes. Maybe you'll be right, but you're just speculating.

Don't twist the argument here. The accusation was that all Aldridge did was shoot long 2's, something I refuted. Whether or not he shoots more jumpers than Boozer WAS NOT the question.

[chadrucf]

62% of his shots were inside 10 ft. He's in the post plenty. He's just only playing 20 minutes a game. His per game numbers aren't going to compare to someone playing twice as many minutes.

His per36 scoring numbers aren't much better.

As I mentioned, Aldridge shoots the ball 5 more times per 36. And he only gets 5 more points per 36. That's not exactly stellar.

[Polynice4Pippen]

I'm not seriously saying Gibson is as good or better than either Boozer or Aldridge offensively, but he ought to get a few more shots with numbers like that. He needs more minutes as it is. He's not as bad offensively as he's made out to be. His regular season numbers are very similar as well.

Taj refuses to post up more. That's his fault because he's actually decent at it. He settles for midrange jumpers too much. He doesn't have the offensive mentality to want to score big every night, which is fine, that's not his role. But we have to accept who he is as a player. A guy who doesn't look for his offense all that much.

62% of his shots were inside 10 ft. He's in the post plenty. He's just only playing 20 minutes a game. His per game numbers aren't going to compare to someone playing twice as many minutes.

And many of that 62% consists of tips, put backs, dunks. Taj doesn't post up nearly as much as he should, doesn't demand the ball enough. It's not his nature to consistently post up, we've seen this for 5 years now.

[Polynice4Pippen]

62% of his shots were inside 10 ft. He's in the post plenty. He's just only playing 20 minutes a game. His per game numbers aren't going to compare to someone playing twice as many minutes.

His per36 scoring numbers aren't much better.

As I mentioned, Aldridge shoots the ball 5 more times per 36. And he only gets 5 more points per 36. That's not exactly stellar.

But it's what the Bulls need against Miami, OKC. More scoring, guys who are willing and capable of taking on more of the offensive load with Derrick.

[chadrucf]

He wouldn't play 38 minutes a night here or 40 in the playoffs; So no, he wouldn't be 20/9 every night.

He doesn't just stand outside and shoot long 2's.

Aldridge:
40.7% of shots <10 ft

Boozer:
50.8% of shots <10 ft

He does a heck of a lot more than Boozer. And people complain about Boozer taking jumpers instead of going to the rim.

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You don't know HOW many minutes a night Aldridge would play in a Bulls uniform. Especially if Gibson were sent to Portland as a result of the trade. Let's not act like Thibs doesn't give guys big minutes. Maybe you'll be right, but you're just speculating.

Don't twist the argument here. The accusation was that all Aldridge did was shoot long 2's, something I refuted. Whether or not he shoots more jumpers than Boozer WAS NOT the question.

I was merely bringing perspective to the discussion. A very high percentage of his shots are long 2s, and even more than a player who frequently is berated for it on this board. Of course not ALL of his shots are from that distance, but that's a point not even worth making.

Of course his minutes would be large if the frontcourt is gutted in acquiring him. He'd have to since we'd only have minimum or very low salary backups.

[chadrucf]

Taj refuses to post up more. That's his fault because he's actually decent at it. He settles for midrange jumpers too much. He doesn't have the offensive mentality to want to score big every night, which is fine, that's not his role. But we have to accept who he is as a player. A guy who doesn't look for his offense all that much.

62% of his shots were inside 10 ft. He's in the post plenty. He's just only playing 20 minutes a game. His per game numbers aren't going to compare to someone playing twice as many minutes.

And many of that 62% consists of tips, put backs, dunks. Taj doesn't post up nearly as much as he should, doesn't demand the ball enough. It's not his nature to consistently post up, we've seen this for 5 years now.

Thats true. And I would like it if he posted up more, but he is not confident enough in his ability there. We don't run plays for Gibson to post up.

[Rerisen]

Aldridge was also 16th in the league in RAPM (+4.2, which breaks down as +2.1 ORating and +2.1 DRating). Note: Taj was absolutely elite on D according to this metric, he was 6th in the league overall in RAPM (+5.4 overall, +.4 ORating and +5.0 DRating). Boozer was not so good. Ranked 258 with an RAPM of -1.8.

In 2011-12:

Aldridge +3.2
Taj +3.6
Boozer -0.1

In 2010-11:

Aldridge +3.2
Taj +0.8
Boozer +0.5

Overall, he represents a significant upgrade over Boozer, despite not being much more efficient from the floor. I do think that his post game can be utilized more, since his efficiency there seems to be in the higher range for the league.

even if you treat RAPM as gospel (i don't - far from it) this still argues strongly against trading for LMA and instead starting taj gibson

Speaking of that, we really really need to see if Taj can duplicate these impact numbers as a starter long term. Because if he can, if the team plays as well with him as a starter as they do with him off the bench, it would be a very noticeable and real upgrade.

With the trending numbers of Taj and Boozer for 2 and 3 years now here, its bordering on negligent not to give him some longer run. Even if its just for 10 or 15 games.

Morey... I won't say bet the farm, but bet a lot on that Omer Asik could make the same jump. For the most part he was right. Asik's numbers have translated to bigger minutes, in raw production and positive on/off impact.