OT- The Last Dance documentary

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #1181 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:23 am

Amazing documentary. They should’ve ended it with the montage they had at end of episode 7 though. That had me shook.

Bulls need to capitalize on this somehow. We need to find a way to incorporate Jordan back into the brand. Also worried that reinsdorf is being exposed/confirmed as a cheap ****.

logical_art · Post #1182 » by **logical_art** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:37 am

I'm embarrassed to root for a team owned by Reinsdorf as we should all be.

**** fire Garpax. What we need is sell the team Jerry.

SeniorWalker · Post #1183 » by **SeniorWalker** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:43 am

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dice · Post #1184 » by **dice** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:49 am

Leslie Forman wrote:Would anyone here still like to explain how Jerry Reinsdorf is not, in fact, a cheap bastard?

we could start with the fact that reinsdorf is only part owner. when he speaks about the financial interests of the chicago bulls, he is speaking on behalf of those whose financial interests he is tasked with protecting. i'm going to guess that he did not have the unilateral authority to, for example, pay through the nose for a long-term contract for a deteriorating scottie pippen during an inevitable rebuilding process. would scottie have accepted a 1 year deal? and how much would THAT have costed? he would have been 33 years old heading into that next season w/ no guarantee of health beyond that. would the 5 year max deal he signed with the rockets have been available in summer '99 at age 34?

it would have been an interesting tactic for JR to meet w/ MJ and scottie and say something like "i've been authorized to offer you guys $48 mil combined for one more season. split it up however you want it. take it or leave it. go home, talk it over with each other and whoever else you need to and let me know your decision in the coming weeks." maybe MJ would have agreed to take a bit less than he had been to get scottie a balloon payment to sufficiently incentivize holding off on a long term deal. like a 25/23 split or something

by the way, jordan was coming off of 30 and 33 mil paydays and pip was about to sign a 5 yr deal at 15.5 per

johnnyvann840 · Post #1185 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:53 am

The crazy woman yelling obscenities at the Bulls in the 98 ECF's was Luke Kornet's mom. lol

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Jimako10 · Post #1186 » by **Jimako10** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:55 am

In the end, it really was because JR didn't want to pay up. You know Phil and Krause won't work together for another year. You know that MJ won't play without Phil. And you choose Krause and rebuilding rather than keeping arguably the greatest dynasty ever because of the "risk" of overpaying players physically breaking down. JR basically made a ruthless business decision. He didn't need to win a 7th to gain any more value. He was gifted the GOAT by the basketball gods, made a name and fortune from the bulls, and didn't want to give a little back to go for that 7th. And he is still reaping the benefits 22 years later.

dice · Post #1187 » by **dice** » Mon May 18, 2020 7:16 am

when the pearl jam song was used to close the documentary, it occurred to me that while the cultural '90s phenomenon seinfeld was briefly touched on, pearl jam was not. they were rodman's favorite band, their singer eddie vedder was a chicago native, they played the last show ever at chicago stadium (i barely missed out on attending), they've played soldier field (i was there) and wrigley multiple times...vedder sang the national anthem before game 3 of the '98 finals (the blowout) for christ's sake!

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dumbell78 · Post #1188 » by **dumbell78** » Mon May 18, 2020 12:13 pm

JR throwing that comment in the end with the subtle caveat about player market value is just ultimate cheap ass Jerry. Shakespeare couldn't have written it any better. It sums up that dude and his narrow minded approach to all of it. Krause to me is the fall guy and Im glad he got his credit in the end. JR is the guy that tore it down.

Post #1189 » by **dougthonus** » Mon May 18, 2020 12:29 pm

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:Bulls need to capitalize on this somehow. We need to find a way to incorporate Jordan back into the brand. Also worried that reinsdorf is being exposed/confirmed as a cheap ****.

You understand that Jordan owns another team right? There is literally no way to incorporate him back into the brand.

Chewie · Post #1190 » by **Chewie** » Mon May 18, 2020 12:43 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
The 6ft Hurdle wrote:Had no idea of Kerr's connection to academia and UCLA in particular

Had no idea his father was assassinated. Screw to trying liberate and enlighten these countries that don't want us there.

Then you definitely don't know about a bunch of ASU fans chanting "P.L.O." at one of Kerr's games in order to rattle him.

Un-fricking-believable.

dumbell78 · Post #1191 » by **dumbell78** » Mon May 18, 2020 1:27 pm

Chewie wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
The 6ft Hurdle wrote:Had no idea of Kerr's connection to academia and UCLA in particular

Had no idea his father was assassinated. Screw to trying liberate and enlighten these countries that don't want us there.

Then you definitely don't know about a bunch of ASU fans chanting "P.L.O." at one of Kerr's games in order to rattle him.

Un-fricking-believable.

Still remains one of the most disgusting things I have ever come across. Just horrid. Kerr has the heart of a lion.

jc23 · Post #1192 » by **jc23** » Mon May 18, 2020 1:33 pm

Id trade Lauri for another 10 episodes.

jc23 · Post #1193 » by **jc23** » Mon May 18, 2020 1:38 pm

Reinsdorf should have done more but he did try and get Phil back at the end there and he has said he wanted MJ back. His issue was bringing the rest of the team back. Obviously he and Jerry were high on all the wining and probably thought a rebuild would be alot easier. If they had known what they were about to get into they would have ran it back.

Phil needs to get more blame as well, he seems to be the most stubborn of all parties involved here, he was never coming back imo.

troza · Post #1194 » by **troza** » Mon May 18, 2020 1:39 pm

Jimako10 wrote:In the end, it really was because JR didn't want to pay up. You know Phil and Krause won't work together for another year. You know that MJ won't play without Phil. And you choose Krause and rebuilding rather than keeping arguably the greatest dynasty ever because of the "risk" of overpaying players physically breaking down. JR basically made a ruthless business decision. He didn't need to win a 7th to gain any more value. He was gifted the GOAT by the basketball gods, made a name and fortune from the bulls, and didn't want to give a little back to go for that 7th. And he is still reaping the benefits 22 years later.

I would say that it is not only him not wanting to pay. He did pay Michael a lot more than other players were getting at that time and values that would still be top on today's NBA. 2 years.

Maybe he was willing to pay (he did offer Phil Jackson another contract) but I would say that he didn't want to pay Pippen: long term contract on Pippen was a bad idea (as we saw), although he would have a nice season in Portland and he could easily be productive for us due to having a better offensive player (Jordan) and the triangle. He had injuries, he wasn't getting better... although with context, keeping everyone together instead of getting nothing would have been better.

With this in mind, I think that Pippen was the no-factor because Phil seems to be the one saying no first. With Phil saying no, Jordan said no because he didn't want to play for another coach... and with this it didn't make any sense to keep Pippen for more time as he wouldn't want and we would pay a lot for an unhappy player in an useless situation for him and us (although we wouldn't be so bad even without Jordan and Phil if we kept everyone else).

So... I don't know if it was only Jerry not wanting to pay when he did pay Jordan a lot, he actually gave Pippen a final contract so he could end with the Bulls.

I will say that Jerry's main fault is not making Jerry Krause correct himself on some of his sayings. He could have said things in the wrong way but should have made something to make them right or go away.

othawhitemeat · Post #1195 » by **othawhitemeat** » Mon May 18, 2020 2:14 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:The crazy woman yelling obscenities at the Bulls in the 98 ECF's was Luke Kornet's mom. lol

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I'm surprised she posted that update because it seemed like she was yelling homophobic slurs and works for a new station in Nashville.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1196 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon May 18, 2020 2:36 pm

othawhitemeat wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:The crazy woman yelling obscenities at the Bulls in the 98 ECF's was Luke Kornet's mom. lol

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I'm surprised she posted that update because it seemed like she was yelling homophobic slurs and works for a new station in Nashville.

Apparently, it wasn't her after all. Not sure why anybody would be proud to claim that was them. I guess she tricked the internet. Why? I have no idea. Maybe she needed some publicity and all publicity is good publicity....

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/05/the-last-dance-indiana-pacers-fan-memes-luke-kornet-mom

otwok · Post #1197 » by **otwok** » Mon May 18, 2020 2:52 pm

JordansBulls wrote:Always loved Bob Costas

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Amazng. So many thoughts but this was on point.

JimmyButler21 · Post #1198 » by **JimmyButler21** » Mon May 18, 2020 2:55 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:The crazy woman yelling obscenities at the Bulls in the 98 ECF's was Luke Kornet's mom. lol

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Think she said she was joking later on

johnnyvann840 · Post #1199 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon May 18, 2020 3:01 pm

dumbell78 wrote:
Chewie wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Had no idea his father was assassinated. Screw to trying liberate and enlighten these countries that don't want us there.

Then you definitely don't know about a bunch of ASU fans chanting "P.L.O." at one of Kerr's games in order to rattle him.

Un-fricking-believable.

Still remains one of the most disgusting things I have ever come across. Just horrid. Kerr has the heart of a lion.

It was disgusting. I was a student at ASU at the time and was horrified. I was happy to see Kerr knock down like six 3 pointers in the 1st half of that game. U of A was a premier basketball program and ASU was garbage. Wildcat fans would yell Steeeeeeve Kerrrrrrrr every time he hit a 3. That team with Kerr, Sean Elliot and Kenny Lofton (who would go on to play MLB), was amazing. They made the Final Four in 1988.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1200 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon May 18, 2020 3:04 pm

JimmyButler21 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:The crazy woman yelling obscenities at the Bulls in the 98 ECF's was Luke Kornet's mom. lol

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Think she said she was joking later on

yeah, I posted that already. What a stupid thing to joke about. Like I said, I guess she just needed some publicity?.. and in the entertainment business any publicity is good publicity?