Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Allen is gone. He's probably still a serviceable WR, but he's too slow for BJ's system. Luckily that means we won't have to see Everett any more as well.

[fleet]

Ben Johnson is on top of everything. You bet he knows about the Packers mental block for Chicago. Last game notwithstanding. Ben says he ‘liked beating Lefluer twice a year’….Ben Johnson just said he owns the Packers. That doesn’t change anything in Green Bay’s mental outlook. But for Chicago, Ben just told his team that they are now winners, the past does not apply.

[fleet]

I’m thinking the Bears need to keep Tevin Jenkins for one more season, but give him his spot back at RG. One more chance at his best position. The Bears aren’t deep enough just cut him loose. Even if they drafted a LG in the first round. Despite all the talk about free agency, I will be surprised to see the Bears spend 22 million dollars a year on a RG. Nor is it the best idea in the world. That money will be well spent elsewhere, and again, the Bears aren’t in position to be cutting loose good O-linemen.

Jones
Campbell
Free agent center
Jenkins
Wright

You’re gonna have Kiran and Pryor backing up multiple spots, and probably at least 1 second rounder. That’s a solid core before finding a couple other extra backup bodies, and you have 20 million dollars extra to spend on the defensive line.

[Jeffster81]

this hire is going to be a spectacular failure. the Bears are going to be running all these **** trick plays next season when no one on the team can even run a regular route...or run period. or throw or catch. they needed a coach who will teach them how to do some of these things, they don't need to be running fake field goals on second down or a flee flicker with the left tackle or whatever the Lions have been doing. This has Nagy pt. 2 written all over it.

This post has to be a joke?

Kenan Allen is literally one of the greatest route runners of all time. Moore isn't too shabby either. Odunze was drafted because of his route running.

I could not take that poster serious once he compared Johnson to Nagy. The BIG difference, Ben Johnson was running his offense for multiple years, whereas Nagy never, or rarely, ran his own offense. Johnson is a legitimate playcaller, Nagy was a fraud.

It's clear that poster did not watch Ben Johnson's offense, at only time over the past three years.

[El Ridda]

I’m thinking the Bears need to keep Tevin Jenkins for one more season, but give him his spot back at RG. One more chance at his best position. The Bears aren’t deep enough just cut him loose. Even if they drafted a LG in the first round. Despite all the talk about free agency, I will be surprised to see the Bears spend 22 million dollars a year on a RG. Nor is it the best idea in the world. That money will be well spent elsewhere, and again, the Bears aren’t in position to be cutting loose good O-linemen.

Jones
Campbell
Free agent center
Jenkins
Wright

You’re gonna have Kiran and Pryor backing up multiple spots, and probably at least 1 second rounder. That’s a solid core before finding a couple other extra backup bodies, and you have 20 million dollars extra to spend on the defensive line.

I think the only way to keep Jenkins on a one year deal would be to tag him, in which case the cost would be around $20M.

[fleet]

I’m thinking the Bears need to keep Tevin Jenkins for one more season, but give him his spot back at RG. One more chance at his best position. The Bears aren’t deep enough just cut him loose. Even if they drafted a LG in the first round. Despite all the talk about free agency, I will be surprised to see the Bears spend 22 million dollars a year on a RG. Nor is it the best idea in the world. That money will be well spent elsewhere, and again, the Bears aren’t in position to be cutting loose good O-linemen.

Jones
Campbell
Free agent center
Jenkins
Wright

You’re gonna have Kiran and Pryor backing up multiple spots, and probably at least 1 second rounder. That’s a solid core before finding a couple other extra backup bodies, and you have 20 million dollars extra to spend on the defensive line.

I think the only way to keep Jenkins on a one year deal would be to tag him, in which case the cost would be around $20M.

I think they can transition tag him, which is slightly cheaper than franchise tag. But either way, I’d rather do one of those options than sign the mega long term deal for a RG. To me, again, it’s premature money like the Sweat deal that is for a team that is finalized for a playoffs run. If we are in prime position next season, and still have a need, then go for it.

[nomorezorro]

I’m thinking the Bears need to keep Tevin Jenkins for one more season, but give him his spot back at RG. One more chance at his best position. The Bears aren’t deep enough just cut him loose. Even if they drafted a LG in the first round. Despite all the talk about free agency, I will be surprised to see the Bears spend 22 million dollars a year on a RG. Nor is it the best idea in the world. That money will be well spent elsewhere, and again, the Bears aren’t in position to be cutting loose good O-linemen.

Jones
Campbell
Free agent center
Jenkins
Wright

You’re gonna have Kiran and Pryor backing up multiple spots, and probably at least 1 second rounder. That’s a solid core before finding a couple other extra backup bodies, and you have 20 million dollars extra to spend on the defensive line.

if you spend $20 million on the defensive line you still have like...$40 million left to spend on the rest of the roster. there's no reason they can't get a more reliable veteran G than jenkins, even if they end up getting priced out of the market for trey smith.

if you want a cheaper guy who could still be a long-term fixture on the o-line, go after will fries or mekhi becton. if you just want a stopgap who can hold the position down for a year or two while you try to develop a rookie, you can sign kevin zeitler, brandon scherff, or zack martin

[patryk7754]

this hire is going to be a spectacular failure. the Bears are going to be running all these **** trick plays next season when no one on the team can even run a regular route...or run period. or throw or catch. they needed a coach who will teach them how to do some of these things, they don't need to be running fake field goals on second down or a flee flicker with the left tackle or whatever the Lions have been doing. This has Nagy pt. 2 written all over it.

This post has to be a joke?

Kenan Allen is literally one of the greatest route runners of all time. Moore isn't too shabby either. Odunze was drafted because of his route running.

I could not take that poster serious once he compared Johnson to Nagy. The BIG difference, Ben Johnson was running his offense for multiple years, whereas Nagy never, or rarely, ran his own offense. Johnson is a legitimate playcaller, Nagy was a fraud.

It's clear that poster did not watch Ben Johnson's offense, at only time over the past three years.

but he had one trick play not work. obviously he doesn't belong in the league

[patryk7754]

Allen is gone. He's probably still a serviceable WR, but he's too slow for BJ's system. Luckily that means we won't have to see Everett any more as well.

I would say the opposite. Tim Patrick was starting to excel in his role the last half-ish of the season. The year before, Josh Reynolds had a decently productive season in the same role. I imagine Allen would be much better than those two. I think Allen coming back is all a matter of price and does he believe the bears have a better chance to making a Superbowl push than the Chargers. Another thing that might be of some significance is that Williams said Allen is the best player he's every played with. maybe he was giving his potential HOF vet his due respect, but If Caleb doesn't want to lose "the best player he's ever played with", he's probably going to stay. And that's not to say its likely he stays. I really think it depends on how the roster shakes out. But, if he does leave, I would love to bring in Tim Patrick as one of his replacements. I think he'll be really cheap but significantly outplay his contract

[jnrjr79]

I’m thinking the Bears need to keep Tevin Jenkins for one more season, but give him his spot back at RG. One more chance at his best position. The Bears aren’t deep enough just cut him loose. Even if they drafted a LG in the first round. Despite all the talk about free agency, I will be surprised to see the Bears spend 22 million dollars a year on a RG. Nor is it the best idea in the world. That money will be well spent elsewhere, and again, the Bears aren’t in position to be cutting loose good O-linemen.

Jones
Campbell
Free agent center
Jenkins
Wright

You’re gonna have Kiran and Pryor backing up multiple spots, and probably at least 1 second rounder. That’s a solid core before finding a couple other extra backup bodies, and you have 20 million dollars extra to spend on the defensive line.

The problem with Jenkins is you effectively have to then have another starter-level guard on your roster, because he's going to miss half the games. So, is it better to pony up big money on a starting guard who is even better than Jenkins, or have to pay two lesser starters?

[fleet]

I’m thinking the Bears need to keep Tevin Jenkins for one more season, but give him his spot back at RG. One more chance at his best position. The Bears aren’t deep enough just cut him loose. Even if they drafted a LG in the first round. Despite all the talk about free agency, I will be surprised to see the Bears spend 22 million dollars a year on a RG. Nor is it the best idea in the world. That money will be well spent elsewhere, and again, the Bears aren’t in position to be cutting loose good O-linemen.

Jones
Campbell
Free agent center
Jenkins
Wright

You’re gonna have Kiran and Pryor backing up multiple spots, and probably at least 1 second rounder. That’s a solid core before finding a couple other extra backup bodies, and you have 20 million dollars extra to spend on the defensive line.

The problem with Jenkins is you effectively have to then have another starter-level guard on your roster, because he's going to miss half the games. So, is it better to pony up big money on a starting guard who is even better than Jenkins, or have to pay two lesser starters?

Well, Jenkins is an option that makes sense if the team just needs a bridge guy to Kiran or the second round pick. If the Bears are forced to go D-line in the first round, then I’d say pulling the trigger on the big ticket RG in free agency would be the way to go.

[jnrjr79]

I’m thinking the Bears need to keep Tevin Jenkins for one more season, but give him his spot back at RG. One more chance at his best position. The Bears aren’t deep enough just cut him loose. Even if they drafted a LG in the first round. Despite all the talk about free agency, I will be surprised to see the Bears spend 22 million dollars a year on a RG. Nor is it the best idea in the world. That money will be well spent elsewhere, and again, the Bears aren’t in position to be cutting loose good O-linemen.

Jones
Campbell
Free agent center
Jenkins
Wright

You’re gonna have Kiran and Pryor backing up multiple spots, and probably at least 1 second rounder. That’s a solid core before finding a couple other extra backup bodies, and you have 20 million dollars extra to spend on the defensive line.

The problem with Jenkins is you effectively have to then have another starter-level guard on your roster, because he's going to miss half the games. So, is it better to pony up big money on a starting guard who is even better than Jenkins, or have to pay two lesser starters?

Well, Jenkins is an option that makes sense if the team just needs a bridge guy to Kiran or the second round pick. If the Bears are forced to go D-line in the first round, then I’d say pulling the trigger on the big ticket RG in free agency would be the way to go.

I do not think Jenkins can be a bridge guy due to his perpetual unavailability. The guy you want to bring along slowly will be in all likelihood on the field very quickly.

I'm open to a Jenkins return, but doubtful it happens. But I think it really constrains your approach to the o-line.

Ultimately, I doubt Jenkins gets scooped up early in free agency, so the Bears may have some ability to test the market before making a decision.

[patryk7754]

The problem with Jenkins is you effectively have to then have another starter-level guard on your roster, because he's going to miss half the games. So, is it better to pony up big money on a starting guard who is even better than Jenkins, or have to pay two lesser starters?

Well, Jenkins is an option that makes sense if the team just needs a bridge guy to Kiran or the second round pick. If the Bears are forced to go D-line in the first round, then I’d say pulling the trigger on the big ticket RG in free agency would be the way to go.

I do not think Jenkins can be a bridge guy due to his perpetual unavailability. The guy you want to bring along slowly will be in all likelihood on the field very quickly.

I'm open to a Jenkins return, but doubtful it happens. But I think it really constrains your approach to the o-line.

Ultimately, I doubt Jenkins gets scooped up early in free agency, so the Bears may have some ability to test the market before making a decision.

Yea, I think if you bring back Jenkins it has to be under a few conditions.

1. He signs a one year, dirt cheap deal (which is very unlikely)
2. The guy who is behind him, has to be ready to play asap because Jenkins is more likely to be out than in (and I didn't see anything indicating Kiran belongs on the top 55 roster, yet)
3. This means we have to draft our OG of the "future". Which at that point you might as well make him your starter.


I'm beating a dead horse with this point, but if we do go the bridge route (which I am strongly in favor of) Kevin Zeitler is the perfect player to fill the role of the vet. Not only is he a top OG in the NFL, he had an elite season in Johnson's offense. He made 5m this past season and I imagine that's around what he'll get this offseason.

[Almost Retired]

I’m thinking the Bears need to keep Tevin Jenkins for one more season, but give him his spot back at RG. One more chance at his best position. The Bears aren’t deep enough just cut him loose. Even if they drafted a LG in the first round. Despite all the talk about free agency, I will be surprised to see the Bears spend 22 million dollars a year on a RG. Nor is it the best idea in the world. That money will be well spent elsewhere, and again, the Bears aren’t in position to be cutting loose good O-linemen.

Jones
Campbell
Free agent center
Jenkins
Wright

You’re gonna have Kiran and Pryor backing up multiple spots, and probably at least 1 second rounder. That’s a solid core before finding a couple other extra backup bodies, and you have 20 million dollars extra to spend on the defensive line.

I'd agree with you if Jenkins was able to stay healthy. He has yet to demonstrate that he can. A guy can have all the talent in the world but if he's only healthy enough to play half a season he's not that valuable. An offensive line needs cohesiveness. When guys are out is messes up the schemes, the timing, etc. I'd only keep Jenkins at a relatively low price with incentives for snaps or games played. If that's even allowed by the collective bargaining agreement. And I'd draft a guard with one of the 2nd round picks for depth.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

A lot of discussion focusing on changes on the O-Line, and rightfully so. But before we start theorizing about new players via FA or draft, does anyone know what kind of system BJ would run regarding the linemen? I only say this because I'd rather have an average player that fits the system perfectly, rather than an pro-bowler that doesn't fit the system at all. Or is schematic fit really not that big of a deal?

[Jcool0]

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[Charlesareed]

It was great to see Caleb in the building along with Ben fir the press conference I’m excited for next season

[CROBulls]

Bears hiring Ben Johnson is a good move on paper. He was best candidate for job and most wanted head coach on market (until
Mike McCarthy was available). Bears made two most obvious moves they could in last two years. Taking consensus best QB in draft, taking best consensus HC candidate on a market this year.

Nobody can blame Poles for Bears not succeding if this two together dont work out. But now is time for Poles to go get O-line. I dont care how, go get O-line. Work with your HC. Protect your QB, put him in position to succeed. I believed there was enough fire power and targets on a roster for QB to throw, but not enough to protect him to be sacked.

This needs to changed. Get him more targets, but protect him for god sake.

I want this team to be coached hard. Coached well. Prepared well. Disciplined well. Offense should not struggle to produce. Now will this happen, likely not. This team is still owned by Mccaskeys.

There is no Super Bowl on a menu until they sell a team. I hope Bears fans know that. Ben Johnson is not savior, he is just a guy who got paid based on Lions hype until proven wrong.

[Jimako10]

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Adios.

[panthermark]

Allen is gone. He's probably still a serviceable WR, but he's too slow for BJ's system. Luckily that means we won't have to see Everett any more as well.

I would say the opposite. Tim Patrick was starting to excel in his role the last half-ish of the season. The year before, Josh Reynolds had a decently productive season in the same role. I imagine Allen would be much better than those two. I think Allen coming back is all a matter of price and does he believe the bears have a better chance to making a Superbowl push than the Chargers. Another thing that might be of some significance is that Williams said Allen is the best player he's every played with. maybe he was giving his potential HOF vet his due respect, but If Caleb doesn't want to lose "the best player he's ever played with", he's probably going to stay. And that's not to say its likely he stays. I really think it depends on how the roster shakes out. But, if he does leave, I would love to bring in Tim Patrick as one of his replacements. I think he'll be really cheap but significantly outplay his contract

I really wanted Allen moved to a contender at the deadline. I thought it would be best for all parties.
I really did not like how much Caleb would lock in on only Allen so early when in trouble. He never really got on the same page with DJ, Rome or Kmet.....which are the guys under contract.