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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1181 » by Salo23 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:36 am

BullChit wrote:Kind of odd to be looking forward to an OKC VS Pacers finals but man am I keen to see SGA vs Hali in a best of 7 series...

Paul George created OKC vs INDY in the Finals…

2017: Pacers to Thunder:
The Pacers traded George to the Thunder for Sabonis and Oladipo. They would later trade Sabonis for Tyrese Haliburton and Oladipo for Ben Sheppard and Andrew Nembhard.

2019: Thunder to Clippers:
George was traded to the Clippers for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, and a package of draft picks.
We are missing a lot of layups right now as a team, and that is on me... It’s my job to make sure we’re ready to make our layups." - Thibodeau.
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1182 » by Indomitable » Thu May 29, 2025 4:11 am

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kodo wrote:Knicks board is just going off on Thibs.
Talk about 1st world problems.

Well developing and trying out rotations throughout the season is a thing a coach should do. But it's Thibs

I am enjoying his destruction :D
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1183 » by Ccwatercraft » Thu May 29, 2025 5:29 am

Muzbar wrote:
BullChit wrote:Kind of odd to be looking forward to an OKC VS Pacers finals but man am I keen to see SGA vs Hali in a best of 7 series...

I think it's just good to see 2 different teams at the top other than the same old team(s) year after year after year, I will admit I'd prefer a Wolves (Ant) vs Pacers (Hali) finals, but that doesn't seem to be on the cards.


Two non taxpayers as well, which kinda blows holes in my.gotta spend to win theory. (Although thats.short lived for indy, and okc after that.
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Post#1184 » by Ice Man » Thu May 29, 2025 11:45 am

So ... Jokic was asked if Denver had enough to win, and he gave the non-answer of I guess not since we lost. But the correct answer seems to me to be, hell yes. Bring it back. They were the best Western team in this year's playoffs except for OKC. An injury to SGA and Denver would likely be in the Finals.

As Red Larivee keeps writing, and accurately at that, in this era of 3 balls and injuries there are no sure things. You just need to be good enough to have your hat in the playoff ring, in a serious way. (Say, a top #4 seed or better.) Denver qualifies.
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Post#1185 » by sco » Thu May 29, 2025 3:07 pm

MrSparkle wrote:I also didn’t care for the KAT trade. They should’ve kept Hartenstein, and probably targeted Caruso as an addition. As absurd as it sounds, these 2 roleplayers are probably going to be the reason OKC wins a ring.

Their guard depth stinks, and I can’t blame Thibs for playing Brunson to death. They’re definitely missing Divincenzo’s 3Ps.

I saw a weird stat (I think for the playoffs) where when either Brunson or KAT were on the floor the Knicks were +15 and when they were both on the floor, the Knicks were -20. It goes to the old rule of thumb, and a roster issue for us...you can hide 1 bad defender but not 2.

Yeah, losing Donte was a blow. They had no chance to keep Hartenstein, IIRC the most they could offer due to rule was around $15M.
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Post#1186 » by MGB8 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:47 pm

sco wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:I also didn’t care for the KAT trade. They should’ve kept Hartenstein, and probably targeted Caruso as an addition. As absurd as it sounds, these 2 roleplayers are probably going to be the reason OKC wins a ring.

Their guard depth stinks, and I can’t blame Thibs for playing Brunson to death. They’re definitely missing Divincenzo’s 3Ps.

I saw a weird stat (I think for the playoffs) where when either Brunson or KAT were on the floor the Knicks were +15 and when they were both on the floor, the Knicks were -20. It goes to the old rule of thumb, and a roster issue for us...you can hide 1 bad defender but not 2.

Yeah, losing Donte was a blow. They had no chance to keep Hartenstein, IIRC the most they could offer due to rule was around $15M.


Not surprised - not enough offense without them, and depth in the Knicks sucks, and when both on there is exposure.

I think that is why the KAT trade hurt, though. 2 for 1 in terms of players that can score. Yeah, KAT is better than both, but Randle gives you enough to be balanced when on with the others, can create some, etc., and ditto Donte, who also helps add spacing that Knicks sorely needed. OG and Mikal don't really create for themselves or others, not Hart, so they are completely dependent on Brunson -- KAT can offset a bit for someone subbing for Brunson, but so could Randle and Donte. Meanwhile, the weak D from both, which is exacerbated by the amount of offensive load that they needed to carry not because Mikal and OG are bad on offense, but still needed things set up for them, plus the 5th guy would be bad (either at shooting or overall) adding burden.
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1187 » by kodo » Thu May 29, 2025 7:01 pm

sco wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:I also didn’t care for the KAT trade. They should’ve kept Hartenstein, and probably targeted Caruso as an addition. As absurd as it sounds, these 2 roleplayers are probably going to be the reason OKC wins a ring.

Their guard depth stinks, and I can’t blame Thibs for playing Brunson to death. They’re definitely missing Divincenzo’s 3Ps.

I saw a weird stat (I think for the playoffs) where when either Brunson or KAT were on the floor the Knicks were +15 and when they were both on the floor, the Knicks were -20. It goes to the old rule of thumb, and a roster issue for us...you can hide 1 bad defender but not 2.

Yeah, losing Donte was a blow. They had no chance to keep Hartenstein, IIRC the most they could offer due to rule was around $15M.

The biggest +/- outlier has been Mikal.
This series:
KAT -2
OG: -7
Hart: -10
Robinson: -13
Brunson: -26
Mikal: -33

He just hasn't been the 3&D guy that warranted the outrageous price tag. His counterpart Nesmith has had the opposite effect:
Nesmith +40
Haliburton +28
Toppin +16
Turner +12
Siakam +12
Nembhard -7
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1188 » by Ice Man » Thu May 29, 2025 7:31 pm

kodo wrote:This series:
KAT -2
OG: -7
Hart: -10
Robinson: -13
Brunson: -26
Mikal: -33

He just hasn't been the 3&D guy that warranted the outrageous price tag.


It's hard to put too much into +/- stats for only 4 games. That said, there's no question that Bridges is anything more than a pretty good player, and that the Knicks paid up outrageously for him.
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1189 » by kodo » Fri May 30, 2025 12:04 am

Ice Man wrote:
kodo wrote:This series:
KAT -2
OG: -7
Hart: -10
Robinson: -13
Brunson: -26
Mikal: -33

He just hasn't been the 3&D guy that warranted the outrageous price tag.


It's hard to put too much into +/- stats for only 4 games. That said, there's no question that Bridges is anything more than a pretty good player, and that the Knicks paid up outrageously for him.


Oh for sure, just sco's post was already about +/-.
Mikal has been their 2nd best +/- player over the reg season.
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1190 » by kodo » Fri May 30, 2025 12:06 am

Ugh I hope foul baiting doesn't become a thing for every young superstar now...
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Post#1191 » by Ice Man » Fri May 30, 2025 11:35 am

kodo wrote:Ugh I hope foul baiting doesn't become a thing for every young superstar now...
Read on Twitter


I mean, yeah, but there's two sides to this story. Watch these highlights Brunson vs. the Pacers in 2025 and then of AI vs. the Lakers in 2001. Brunson is constantly bumped and bodied when on the perimeter, while Iverson is barely touched when out there.

Brunson -



Iverson -



It's fair to criticize foul baiting on drives as the players get near the basket, because things haven't changed in that aspect. Defenders closed down space and challenged shots back in the day just as they do now. But the contact that occurs 20, 25 feet from the basket -- the lack of freedom of movement -- is a newer thing, and it's hard to know how previous guards would have reacted if they had been defended like that.
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1192 » by d boy gentleman » Sat May 31, 2025 2:17 am

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:nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1193 » by cocktailswith_2short » Sat May 31, 2025 2:54 am

d boy gentleman wrote:
Read on Twitter



:nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

Relax it's just an extortion attempt. He's an idiot though .
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Post#1194 » by robert76 » Sat May 31, 2025 8:05 am

cocktailswith_2short wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:
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:nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

Relax it's just an extortion attempt. He's an idiot though .


It may be, but how do you know?
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1195 » by DuckIII » Sat May 31, 2025 2:15 pm

robert76 wrote:
cocktailswith_2short wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:
Read on Twitter



:nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

Relax it's just an extortion attempt. He's an idiot though .


It may be, but how do you know?


To put it kindly, at first blush this lawsuit doesn’t smell right. She alleges she dated him for 5 years starting in 2018, stopped seeing him in 2023, but he raped her twice in 2020. So she’s suing him for rapes that allegedly occurred 5 years ago, and 3 years before their relationship ended. Tough case is an understatement.

With that basic structure she is beginning her PR position from very deep hole. She’ll have to have some serious evidence to back it up. Otherwise it looks like a bitter ex-girlfriend who never got a legal hook in him to keep getting money, and is using the lawsuit as a replacement.

We’ll see. Sometimes these things look one way and go another. I think it’s a bit of a red flag that in the complaint they go out of their way to say that after both alleged rapes he either destroyed her phone or took it away. Seems a preemptive way of saying it’s Zion’s Fault there will be zero record of her ever telling anyone about it.
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1196 » by prolific passer » Sat May 31, 2025 6:35 pm

Salo23 wrote:
BullChit wrote:Kind of odd to be looking forward to an OKC VS Pacers finals but man am I keen to see SGA vs Hali in a best of 7 series...

Paul George created OKC vs INDY in the Finals…

2017: Pacers to Thunder:
The Pacers traded George to the Thunder for Sabonis and Oladipo. They would later trade Sabonis for Tyrese Haliburton and Oladipo for Ben Sheppard and Andrew Nembhard.

2019: Thunder to Clippers:
George was traded to the Clippers for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, and a package of draft picks.

And that is why he's called playoff P.
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Re: Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season 

Post#1197 » by dumbell78 » Sun Jun 1, 2025 12:48 am

KAT just refuses to play proper PNR defense.
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Post#1198 » by MrSparkle » Sun Jun 1, 2025 2:29 am

dumbell78 wrote:KAT just refuses to play proper PNR defense.


Feels a lot like a rich man’s Vuc. Knicks are loaded with 3D wings, but end of the day, that 1-5 punch is exploited on D on every play. Lay-up line for Indy.
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Post#1199 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 1, 2025 2:34 am

Pacers are def deeper than Knicks.

AK is somewhere reveling in his 9-10 good players vision… accept we don’t have two all stars :)
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Post#1200 » by Lexluthor » Sun Jun 1, 2025 2:40 am

I will say it again Tom Thibodeau is overrated. I don’t why Bulls fans like him so much . His team never wins the big games

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