NBA Trade Thread #12

[Nyce_1]

They turned down a first last year so it better be at that level

Foolish of them to turn that down in hindsight, IMO. That last injury doesn't help him regain 1st pick round value.

Important to note that pick was offered with long-term salary attached (and we'd have been talking matching Lonzo's old higher salary), which is presumably why the Bulls balked.

Thanks for the clarification.

[ChettheJet]

If indeed there's going to be a lot of action as with most trade periods, the biggest names have to move first, and there are ways for the Bulls to get involved with Vuc and his $21M to balance deals or with some of their expiring contracts. By draft night there will be some teams who don't see a way to move up or into the 1st to draft the guy they think is 'the guy'. So Coby and, Ayo, look like stopgap guys for them.

I'd be looking at several veterans and see which ones their teams decide to move. I'm still for Miles Bridges, been scoring and rebounding at the PF for a bad team. You have to talk to him and see if he is willing to let Matas get more shots so they build him up to win more games. He's expiring so looking like a team player might appeal to him. Jarrett Allen has the long contract so CLE might like Vuc to save them $80M after this year, there are times when the CFO gets listened to. I still like RJ Barrett and If TOR goes for a big move they'd need his slot.

I look back at the Lavine trade and besides reclaiming that pick the Bulls got three players to finish the season who really meshed with the players that they had. That wold be part of my goals for the next three weeks.

I'm really against trading #12, unless it's to move down 4-6 spots and get a low cost potential Buy Low guy, the next Giddey type.

[Chi town]

“This is outside speculative, but two different east personnel figures believe that the Bulls are unlikely to retain both Josh Giddey and Coby White. If Giddey gets locked in, White could be moved. I’m skeptical of that idea because that sounds like a radical concept for the Bulls and that doesn’t sound like them. Saving money sounds like them but not like this,” Moore wrote.

I will be shocked if Coby gets traded. Would have to be a massive overpay.

I fully expect to give Giddey his 30M before he even talks to another team.

I fully expect AK to pay Coby full freight next FA too.

[Infinity2152]

2026 might be the worst time in the last 20 years to bid for a player in free agency. Here's a look at the NBA cap for teams summer 2026. There could easily bet 15 or more teams with significant cap space. Like $40-$50 mill or more. Of course some will be used up in signings this summer but not much, because teams don't have cap space now. Extensions and exceptions this summer will eat up some, but a lot of those will be one year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_maximum_space/dir/desc

It's dangerous to underestimate how bad that contract could actually be. I promise nobody here would have paid Bradley Beal 5yrs/$251 mill with a no trade clause. Coby could have a GREAT statistical season offensively next to Giddey and Matas. We saw what AK paid Pat after several mediocre seasons. We saw what Lavine got. If Coby has a great season, a contract close to that Beal contract is not impossible. At least Lavine's contract.

And we'd have the cap space to pay that much and still stay under the cap. We're going to have the most cap space, no leverage there.

There's one more danger in letting Coby go, though. Biggest reason it's Coby because you can't have two below average defenders at guard. Giddey's defense looked much better second half of the season, and Coby's has improved somewhat season over season. He's not a lazy defender. That Coby/Giddey combo could be CRAZY dangerous if one or both preferably ups their game from below average to above average.

[sco]

2026 might be the worst time in the last 20 years to bid for a player in free agency. Here's a look at the NBA cap for teams summer 2026. There could easily bet 15 or more teams with significant cap space. Like $40-$50 mill or more. Of course some will be used up in signings this summer but not much, because teams don't have cap space now. Extensions and exceptions this summer will eat up some, but a lot of those will be one year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_maximum_space/dir/desc

It's dangerous to underestimate how bad that contract could actually be. I promise nobody here would have paid Bradley Beal 5yrs/$251 mill with a no trade clause. Coby could have a GREAT statistical season offensively next to Giddey and Matas. We saw what AK paid Pat after several mediocre seasons. We saw what Lavine got. If Coby has a great season, a contract close to that Beal contract is not impossible. At least Lavine's contract.

And we'd have the cap space to pay that much and still stay under the cap. We're going to have the most cap space, no leverage there.

There's one more danger in letting Coby go, though. Biggest reason it's Coby because you can't have two below average defenders at guard. Giddey's defense looked much better second half of the season, and Coby's has improved somewhat season over season. He's not a lazy defender. That Coby/Giddey combo could be CRAZY dangerous if one or both preferably ups their game from below average to above average.

Meh, I'm not too worried. If Coby plays well enough for a whole season to nab a MAX deal, so be it...I'd prefer that to paying him $30M for being what he was last year. Point is we'll know what's real by then. If history plays any role, he'll end up playing down to historical averages and get injured, and then we resign him for $20M.

[Infinity2152]

2026 might be the worst time in the last 20 years to bid for a player in free agency. Here's a look at the NBA cap for teams summer 2026. There could easily bet 15 or more teams with significant cap space. Like $40-$50 mill or more. Of course some will be used up in signings this summer but not much, because teams don't have cap space now. Extensions and exceptions this summer will eat up some, but a lot of those will be one year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_maximum_space/dir/desc

It's dangerous to underestimate how bad that contract could actually be. I promise nobody here would have paid Bradley Beal 5yrs/$251 mill with a no trade clause. Coby could have a GREAT statistical season offensively next to Giddey and Matas. We saw what AK paid Pat after several mediocre seasons. We saw what Lavine got. If Coby has a great season, a contract close to that Beal contract is not impossible. At least Lavine's contract.

And we'd have the cap space to pay that much and still stay under the cap. We're going to have the most cap space, no leverage there.

There's one more danger in letting Coby go, though. Biggest reason it's Coby because you can't have two below average defenders at guard. Giddey's defense looked much better second half of the season, and Coby's has improved somewhat season over season. He's not a lazy defender. That Coby/Giddey combo could be CRAZY dangerous if one or both preferably ups their game from below average to above average.

Meh, I'm not too worried. If Coby plays well enough for a whole season to nab a MAX deal, so be it...I'd prefer that to paying him $30M for being what he was last year. Point is we'll know what's real by then. If history plays any role, he'll end up playing down to historical averages and get injured, and then we resign him for $20M.

Coby played 74, 79, 74 the last three years. In a contract year, next to a passing PG. Likely to be the top scorer on a team with low expectations. I think historically, guys numbers jump in their contract years. Donovan played him 37 mins year before last, 33 this year and Lavine was here half the season. He's likely to get 36 minutes and a greenlight. Especially if Vuc is traded, that's a ton more shots opening up. Coby's going to make more in his next contract than he's made his entire career combined, he should be highly motivated.

He's going to get more shot opportunities than he ever has. He's competing with Giddey, who's looking to pass, and Matas, second year player who has to wait to get the ball. His numbers could be inflated without an All-Star add.

[WesPeace]

2026 might be the worst time in the last 20 years to bid for a player in free agency. Here's a look at the NBA cap for teams summer 2026. There could easily bet 15 or more teams with significant cap space. Like $40-$50 mill or more. Of course some will be used up in signings this summer but not much, because teams don't have cap space now. Extensions and exceptions this summer will eat up some, but a lot of those will be one year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_maximum_space/dir/desc

It's dangerous to underestimate how bad that contract could actually be. I promise nobody here would have paid Bradley Beal 5yrs/$251 mill with a no trade clause. Coby could have a GREAT statistical season offensively next to Giddey and Matas. We saw what AK paid Pat after several mediocre seasons. We saw what Lavine got. If Coby has a great season, a contract close to that Beal contract is not impossible. At least Lavine's contract.

And we'd have the cap space to pay that much and still stay under the cap. We're going to have the most cap space, no leverage there.

There's one more danger in letting Coby go, though. Biggest reason it's Coby because you can't have two below average defenders at guard. Giddey's defense looked much better second half of the season, and Coby's has improved somewhat season over season. He's not a lazy defender. That Coby/Giddey combo could be CRAZY dangerous if one or both preferably ups their game from below average to above average.

this was said 100x already - With the way the extension rules work, the Bulls can only offer White a deal that starts at 140 percent of his final-year salary. In other words, White’s next contract would have to start at around 19 million a year..

[2weekswithpay]

2026 might be the worst time in the last 20 years to bid for a player in free agency. Here's a look at the NBA cap for teams summer 2026. There could easily bet 15 or more teams with significant cap space. Like $40-$50 mill or more. Of course some will be used up in signings this summer but not much, because teams don't have cap space now. Extensions and exceptions this summer will eat up some, but a lot of those will be one year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_maximum_space/dir/desc

It's dangerous to underestimate how bad that contract could actually be. I promise nobody here would have paid Bradley Beal 5yrs/$251 mill with a no trade clause. Coby could have a GREAT statistical season offensively next to Giddey and Matas. We saw what AK paid Pat after several mediocre seasons. We saw what Lavine got. If Coby has a great season, a contract close to that Beal contract is not impossible. At least Lavine's contract.

And we'd have the cap space to pay that much and still stay under the cap. We're going to have the most cap space, no leverage there.

There's one more danger in letting Coby go, though. Biggest reason it's Coby because you can't have two below average defenders at guard. Giddey's defense looked much better second half of the season, and Coby's has improved somewhat season over season. He's not a lazy defender. That Coby/Giddey combo could be CRAZY dangerous if one or both preferably ups their game from below average to above average.

Meh, I'm not too worried. If Coby plays well enough for a whole season to nab a MAX deal, so be it...I'd prefer that to paying him $30M for being what he was last year. Point is we'll know what's real by then. If history plays any role, he'll end up playing down to historical averages and get injured, and then we resign him for $20M.

While I don't entirely disagree, this sounds like players who play well enough to sneak in an All-NBA spot and qualify for a supermax contract. Paying someone coming off a career season has its drawbacks. This could easily be another Zach situation.

[Red8911]

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They could trade one of them but this “outside speculation” is BS. It’s basically a wild guess or teams who are hoping to get one of them.

[Chi town]

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They could trade one of them but this “outside speculation” is BS. It’s basically a wild guess or teams who are hoping to get one of them.

Bingo.

We know how predictable AK is.

Both will be resigned.

[ChettheJet]

“This is outside speculative, but two different east personnel figures believe that the Bulls are unlikely to retain both Josh Giddey and Coby White. If Giddey gets locked in, White could be moved. I’m skeptical of that idea because that sounds like a radical concept for the Bulls and that doesn’t sound like them. Saving money sounds like them but not like this,” Moore wrote.

I will be shocked if Coby gets traded. Would have to be a massive overpay.

I fully expect to give Giddey his 30M before he even talks to another team.

I fully expect AK to pay Coby full freight next FA too.

Outside speculation generally ignores the Bulls history of retaining, signing and trading.

There's close to zero reason to trade Coby now, he signed his contract for security and the Bulls took a chance on how good he might become. Now they both wait to see what kind of bill comes due after this season. Next summer following a very good year he's the one I would say could draw a S&T proposition and the Bulls get enough to let him go.

I would think the Bulls have the big board showing which teams have a need for Giddey at the 1 or 3 to control the ball, they also can see how few teams have the cap space to make Giddey an offer. Some teams might entertain the idea of a S&T but the Bulls don't need to take back just anything, they have the leverage in those deals.

I envision them making Giddey a good not incredible offer ensuring him security, his agent knows what someone else can/would offer and if Josh sees that as a destination. If Josh and his people want to shop for a better offer among the limited suitors that's what RFA is about.

[Infinity2152]

2026 might be the worst time in the last 20 years to bid for a player in free agency. Here's a look at the NBA cap for teams summer 2026. There could easily bet 15 or more teams with significant cap space. Like $40-$50 mill or more. Of course some will be used up in signings this summer but not much, because teams don't have cap space now. Extensions and exceptions this summer will eat up some, but a lot of those will be one year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_maximum_space/dir/desc

It's dangerous to underestimate how bad that contract could actually be. I promise nobody here would have paid Bradley Beal 5yrs/$251 mill with a no trade clause. Coby could have a GREAT statistical season offensively next to Giddey and Matas. We saw what AK paid Pat after several mediocre seasons. We saw what Lavine got. If Coby has a great season, a contract close to that Beal contract is not impossible. At least Lavine's contract.

And we'd have the cap space to pay that much and still stay under the cap. We're going to have the most cap space, no leverage there.

There's one more danger in letting Coby go, though. Biggest reason it's Coby because you can't have two below average defenders at guard. Giddey's defense looked much better second half of the season, and Coby's has improved somewhat season over season. He's not a lazy defender. That Coby/Giddey combo could be CRAZY dangerous if one or both preferably ups their game from below average to above average.

Meh, I'm not too worried. If Coby plays well enough for a whole season to nab a MAX deal, so be it...I'd prefer that to paying him $30M for being what he was last year. Point is we'll know what's real by then. If history plays any role, he'll end up playing down to historical averages and get injured, and then we resign him for $20M.

While I don't entirely disagree, this sounds like players who play well enough to sneak in an All-NBA spot and qualify for a supermax contract. Paying someone coming off a career season has its drawbacks. This could easily be another Zach situation.

This what I'm afraid of. People in here seem to think $30 mill is the max with a good season, I think it's below his floor contract.

As for no reason to trade him, many, maybe most teams trade valuable players before they hit unrestricted free agency. There are a ton of ways that could go wrong and we get absolutely nothing. Coby could sour on the Bulls. They could make him an offer he feels is insulting. He could get offered $50 mill AAV and we match. Or we don't. There could be 15 teams next summer with enough cap space to sign him outright, we have no leverage to force a S&T where a team gives up assets to get an unrestricted free agent. Teams without cap space or trying to move bad contracts do that.

Can't take for granted that if we keep him till this summer, he re-signs with us or we get anything other than $12 mill off our cap. We have literally ZERO control next summer. At best, we're going to pay a lot to sign an unrestricted free agent.

[Guru]

Is there anyway we just roll out
1 Giddey-Ball
2 White-Ayo
3 Buz-Terry
4 DURANT-
5 Collins-ASA NEWELL

and try to win?

[GuardianEnzo]

No.

[Ccwatercraft]

Meh, I'm not too worried. If Coby plays well enough for a whole season to nab a MAX deal, so be it...I'd prefer that to paying him $30M for being what he was last year. Point is we'll know what's real by then. If history plays any role, he'll end up playing down to historical averages and get injured, and then we resign him for $20M.

While I don't entirely disagree, this sounds like players who play well enough to sneak in an All-NBA spot and qualify for a supermax contract. Paying someone coming off a career season has its drawbacks. This could easily be another Zach situation.

This what I'm afraid of. People in here seem to think $30 mill is the max with a good season, I think it's below his floor contract.

As for no reason to trade him, many, maybe most teams trade valuable players before they hit unrestricted free agency. There are a ton of ways that could go wrong and we get absolutely nothing. Coby could sour on the Bulls. They could make him an offer he feels is insulting. He could get offered $50 mill AAV and we match. Or we don't. There could be 15 teams next summer with enough cap space to sign him outright, we have no leverage to force a S&T where a team gives up assets to get an unrestricted free agent. Teams without cap space or trying to move bad contracts do that.

Can't take for granted that if we keep him till this summer, he re-signs with us or we get anything other than $12 mill off our cap. We have literally ZERO control next summer. At best, we're going to pay a lot to sign an unrestricted free agent.

I'd be shocked if anyone tosses him a massive figure, but if that's his market it's because he is absolutely crushing it. I tend to think that the 26 the number of teams with salary cap availability will dwindle down as time goes on, extensions get signed, team/player options, etc.

First we have to see where all these names land this offseason, then we'll see.

Also... the list is pretty long and has a lot of big names, the next 15 months or so can change three trajectory of any team.

[Infinity2152]

Is there anyway we just roll out
1 Giddey-Ball
2 White-Ayo
3 Buz-Terry
4 DURANT-
5 Collins-ASA NEWELL

and try to win?

You're going to see a lot of hate, but that could be a terrific team. Durant's only 36 and speed is not a big part of his game. He's going to stay 7 feet, terrific shooter, great IQ for the next 3-4 years probably. I'm 100% not opposed to having a vet with these young guys, and KD LOVES basketball. No pressure to win immediately, ball out with the young guys.

There is very, very, very little chance we get a better player than Durant in the next three years. You're not likely getting more production at a high level for that money. And he's expiring, he likes it here, he's likely re-signing for less.

Bulls offer: Vucevic, Collins, Williams, Portland 1st, Bulls 2027 top 10 protected for Durant. Phoenix gets a starting center, backup big, ton of expiring money, and a young prospect in Williams, plus picks.

Sign Malcolm Brogdon or Bruce Brown to MLE 2 yr, second year team option Money's going to run out fast this summer, guys are not getting the contracts they want.

Immediately call Dallas and trade Coby for either Lively or Gafford, would take either.
Re-sign Tre Jones

Giddey, Jones, Carter
Ball/Huerter, Ayo
Buzelis, Brown, Phillips, Terry
Durant/Newell
Gafford/Smith

14 players, we still have room and exceptions to fill out depth. Giddey, Newell and Matas are in the best possible situation. Giddey's on the court with three great shooters and multiple lob threats. Newell and Matas get to learn from the one of the best of all time. Gafford gets to start instead of splitting time with Lively behind AD. If Ball can't stay healthy, Bruce Brown or Huerter can start.

Right rookie pick, right free agent pickups, good health, that's a dark horse contender.

[Dez]

Is there anyway we just roll out
1 Giddey-Ball
2 White-Ayo
3 Buz-Terry
4 DURANT-
5 Collins-ASA NEWELL

and try to win?

They can try win, they won't but you can try.

Durant is not the right age profile for this Bulls team.

[MrSparkle]

Bulls are a pile of random players right now. The problem is the 2 best players are unproven. They got blown out in a play-in against a team that got swept by the team that almost got swept by the current ECF underdogs.

No reason to take a shot at anything right now. I wouldn’t even offer Coby or Giddey long term (4-5Y) contracts). They need Matas and this #12 pick to be something special.

[Guru]

Is there anyway we just roll out
1 Giddey-Ball
2 White-Ayo
3 Buz-Terry
4 DURANT-
5 Collins-ASA NEWELL

and try to win?

They can try win, they won't but you can try.

Durant is not the right age profile for this Bulls team.

Age profiles don't make sense. You want diversity in ages because you get diversity in contracts. Alot of people talk about having a bunch of players the same age, thats a recipe for failure

Your first sentence isn't grammatically correct so I don't get your point there.

[Guru]

Bulls are a pile of random players right now. The problem is the 2 best players are unproven. They got blown out in a play-in against a team that got swept by the team that almost got swept by the current ECF underdogs.

No reason to take a shot at anything right now. I wouldn’t even offer Coby or Giddey long term (4-5Y) contracts). They need Matas and this #12 pick to be something special.

The problem is they don't have a superstar anchor.