Stephen A. Smith: LeBron to join Bosh in Miami

lu9 · Post #121 » by **lu9** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:43 pm

For many reasons I wish Chicago had a few mountains. But no reason is bigger than the fact that it would provide me with a mountain top...

LEBRON IS NOT GOING TO MIAMI.

I can't believe I have resorted to using all caps. I'm now that guy. Fine, I'm willing to be that guy for this. There are many who believe LeBron's "rep" will be in question if he has to leave Cleveland to win titles. And that is if he leaves to go to a place like Chicago. Now the fact that people think he would hop on what Wade has already established in Miami to win chips... I just can't grasp this. Oh and if that's not enough, throw perennial all-star big man Bosh on top too..

Logic, as I've mentioned a number of times, needs to factor in at some point guys. Logic.

Post #122 » by **Ben** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:43 pm

Whoa, can we calm the heck down and stop with the personal insults? Tensions are high, but c'mon...

miamiballer · Post #123 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:44 pm

well at least sas is putting his rep on the line here

he prob doesnt have too much to lose as if hes right hell prob get some sort of job somewhere

ill try not to get my hopes so high...but its just so hard lol

davhern · Post #124 » by **davhern** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:45 pm

miamiballer wrote:well at least sas is putting his rep on the line here

he prob doesnt have too much to lose as if hes right hell prob get some sort of job somewhere

ill try not to get my hopes so high...but its just so hard lol

That's not saying a whole lot.

davhern · Post #125 » by **davhern** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:46 pm

Again... unless somebody knows better, and I don't... but the way SAS lays it out has Wade signing last so they can go over the cap.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't think I am because DanTown confirmed this with a good post earlier... but that is just not possible.

If they do this, I would have to imagine it would involve concessions by some of them salary-wise. I'm almost positive you can't go over the cap to sign Wade, even if they wait to sign him last. That would be a ridiculous loophole to circumvent the cap.

Post #126 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:46 pm

PJ Brown wrote:On the Knicks board they have Smith's entire announcement. The logic is ridiculous. The Knicks lost out because they fired Isiah, he says! He's making an educated guess based on people he's talked to. He never even mentions the Bulls in the piece. LBJ may go to Miami, but this guy is just talking loud and saying nothing.

He also says LeBron isn't going to New York because Donnie Walsh is too old. :lol:

(Pat Riley being a whole 4 years younger)

Anyway, maybe its true maybe its not. Some general observations based on this thread though:

(a) SAS does not appear to be "speculating". He's reporting what his sources are telling him is going to happen. Just like Broussard did with LeBron to Chicago. Remember when we spent weeks explaining to Knick fans the difference between a report and speculation/opinion? Lets use some of that on ourselves, okay?

(b) LeBron/Wade/Bosh would succeed at an really, really high level. Depth won't be an issue.

(c) But here's one for the conspiracy theorists: All 3 of them joining forces in Miami is the NBA's worst nightmare (shared by TNT, ABC, and ESPN. So if you believe Stern is a grand puppeteer (I don't), then this won't happen. The best thing for the league is that 3 excellent teams are born out of this summer. That's better for leaguewide competition and way, way better for television revenues. If James goes to Miami (which, standing alone, is bad for the NBA since they won't want consolidate the individual television viewership that those 2 players already command individually), the League will want Bosh in NY or Chicago, for example. But there are many, many permutations. Point being, its best for the league that NY, Chicago and Miami (or substitute NJ for one of those 3 perhaps) come out of this thing highly competitive for deep conference post-season runs. All three of Wade/LeBron/Bosh in Miami does major damage to that as a simple matter of business.

That said, I don't believe in League-controlled conspiracies of this sort. But it is a simple, irrefutable fact, that Wade/LeBron/Bosh in Miami is pretty much the worst possible result from a business perspective.

AKfanatic · Post #127 » by **AKfanatic** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:46 pm

davhern · Post #128 » by **davhern** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:47 pm

lu9 wrote:For many reasons I wish Chicago had a few mountains. But no reason is bigger than the fact that it would provide me with a mountain top...

LEBRON IS NOT GOING TO MIAMI.

I can't believe I have resorted to using all caps. I'm now that guy. Fine, I'm willing to be that guy for this. There are many who believe LeBron's "rep" will be in question if he has to leave Cleveland to win titles. And that is if he leaves to go to a place like Chicago. Now the fact that people think he would hop on what Wade has already established in Miami to win chips... I just can't grasp this. Oh and if that's not enough, throw perennial all-star big man Bosh on top too..

Logic, as I've mentioned a number of times, needs to factor in at some point guys. Logic.

I almost went all caps too, but I didn't want to be that guy. :lol:

Mr_wonka · Post #129 » by **Mr_wonka** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:49 pm

Miami doesn't even deserve a bsasketball franchise. The arena doesn't even sell out during playoff games from what I've seen. As much as I've always liked D wade, I can name a lot of other franchses who deserve to have a great basketball team.

oh well, better than new york getting bosh/LBJ

northbrookrich · Post #130 » by **northbrookrich** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:50 pm

DJhitek wrote:
nycrich wrote:
DJhitek wrote:I get some of the arguments that Lebron/Wade/Bosh would destroy the league and during the regular season they probably would. It still wouldn't be a cake walk through the playoffs when those role players play more vital roles. Not suggesting they wouldn't win multiple titles but a very good starting 5 with some quality depth could counter that effectively in a 7 game series.

People said the same thing about Garnett/Allen/Pierce. They were even harsher because Allen appeared to be on the downside and Garnett had been a little injury prone. Celtics record the year before picking up Allen and Garnett (with Al Jeff on the team) was 24-58!!!!

Bosh 2010 at least equalls Garnett 2008
LeBron 2010 >>>> Pierce 2008
Wade 2010 >>>>> Allen 2008

Heat would just need to find their Rondo 2008, Big Baby, Perkins, etc. Much easier to find those guys once you have a big three like that...

Your making my point, where are these magical players going to pop up?

Kendrick Perkins was a 1st round pick, so was Rondo. James Posey was essential in their run, same can be said for Trever Ariza when the Lakers won last year. The Lakers put together a starting five with 4 HOF's and lost to a team with depth, toughness and balance.

I won't suggest otherwise, but put together a team like Rose/Johnson/Noah/Amare/Deng and that would provide some resistance to a super team like that.

And as a side note, the Celtics won with fantastic defense, like historic defensive ratings. I'm not sure Miami could match that to the T.

The point is simply that they do not need players as good as Perkins and Rondo because the big three are all in their primes and better than the Boston big three. The Bulls roster changed each year in their dynasty years and they did not need top of the 1st round guys to win. Same with other repeat champions.

This might be more of a problem for 2010. But, 2011 with the MLE and/or LLE. With the ability to buy low 1st round picks (that comes up every year), with their own 1st round pick, with 2nd round picks. There are many, many ways to add other talented guys to the mix once you have a big 3 as good as this one.

BR0D1E86 · Post #131 » by **BR0D1E86** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:51 pm

Again... unless somebody knows better, and I don't... but the way SAS lays it out has Wade signing last so they can go over the cap.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't think I am because DanTown confirmed this with a good post earlier... but that is just not possible.

It’s not possible. They can max out Bosh and Lebron and then re-sign Wade. But first they’d have to renounce Wade’s rights and sign him without his Bird rights to whatever cap room they had left.

AKfanatic · Post #132 » by **AKfanatic** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:51 pm

Cowherd on Smith: "I just don't buy it", "I mean, its, listen, i met him a year and a half ago and he had him going to New York "guaranteed", now it's guaranteed he's going to Miami".

MGB8 · Post #133 » by **MGB8** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:53 pm

Looking at Salaries, unless paycuts are agreed to, I don't think this *can* happen. I just posted in a another thread. Miami, if you take Wade's caphold and the roster holds, is actually a couple million more than Chicago's. 16.5 for Wade, 5 for Beasley, 1 for Chalmers, and right now, 4.6 for Jones. Also, if the Heat want first crack at Joel Anthony, they need to extend a 1 Mill qual to him.

And, just like I don't think anyone is going to be doing Chicago any favors, I don't think that anyone is going to be doing Miami any favors to get 3 players.

northbrookrich · Post #134 » by **northbrookrich** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:57 pm

MGB8 wrote:Looking at Salaries, unless paycuts are agreed to, I don't think this *can* happen. I just posted in a another thread. Miami, if you take Wade's caphold and the roster holds, is actually a couple million more than Chicago's. 16.5 for Wade, 5 for Beasley, 1 for Chalmers, and right now, 4.6 for Jones. Also, if the Heat want first crack at Joel Anthony, they need to extend a 1 Mill qual to him.

And, just like I don't think anyone is going to be doing Chicago any favors, I don't think that anyone is going to be doing Miami any favors to get 3 players.

What if they get someone to take Beasley or include Beasley in a sign and trade for one of them. It's not like Beasley on a rookie deal is a player some team wouldn't be willing to take a shot on, is it? I mean look at all the chances frickin' Kwame Brown got?

Post #135 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:59 pm

AKfanatic wrote:Cowherd on Smith: "I just don't buy it", "I mean, its, listen, i met him a year and a half ago and he had him going to New York "guaranteed", now it's guaranteed he's going to Miami".

This was the other observation I wanted to make, but forgot to. That SAS previously made a different prediction is meaningless to his credibility here. He's merely reporting what his sources are telling him. And that information is evolving and changing all the time.

Unless, of course, we're just going to come out and say that SAS if flat out lying about all of it and that he doesn't have sources or, if he did, they aren't telling him this.

SAS is a first rate douche and he represents the worst in what is happening to sports media coverage. But I doubt he's going to go so far as to just flat out make **** up to get ratings.

monsterman · Post #136 » by **monsterman** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:02 pm

Riddle me this?

Which team looks more likely to win an NBA title or titles very soon with these two players, Miami or Chicago?

If LeBron and Bosh are in agreement to sign on the same team, I'm sure this is the main question that they are asking themselves.

davhern · Post #137 » by **davhern** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:04 pm

DuckIII wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:Cowherd on Smith: "I just don't buy it", "I mean, its, listen, i met him a year and a half ago and he had him going to New York "guaranteed", now it's guaranteed he's going to Miami".

This was the other observation I wanted to make, but forgot to. That SAS previously made a different prediction is meaningless to his credibility here. He's merely reporting what his sources are telling him. And that information is evolving and changing all the time.

Unless, of course, we're just going to come out and say that SAS if flat out lying about all of it and that he doesn't have sources or, if he did, they aren't telling him this.

SAS is a first rate douche and he represents the worst in what is happening to sports media coverage. But I doubt he's going to go so far as to just flat out make **** up to get ratings.

I'd say it's more likely that he's making stuff up (exaggerating, at best) in hopes of re-making a name for himself if he ends up being right, than that he has some inside information that he sat on for 24 hrs and that no other reporter has gotten his hands on.

I think your first sentence in that last paragraph says everything and is plenty to justify what you suggest he isn't doing in the second sentence.

You're absolutely right about his past reports meaning little (especially the ones from a year or more ago) about the credibility of this one... you could potentially doubt his sources for his recent NYK reports that seemed to go against all logic and every other report out there, though.

davhern · Post #138 » by **davhern** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:05 pm

monsterman wrote:Riddle me this?

Which team looks more likely to win an NBA title or titles very soon with these two players, Miami or Chicago?

If LeBron and Bosh are in agreement to sign on the same team, I'm sure this is the main question that they are asking themselves.

Both are more than likely enough to win championships in the short term and Bulls are more likely to be set up for more in the 5 years + range.

RyGuy24 · Post #139 » by **RyGuy24** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:06 pm

"I believe I have all the news on LeBron James and WHERE HE'S GOING." And he later wrote "I don't GUESS with news of this magnitude."

He even SCREAMS when he WRITES.

jc23 · Post #140 » by **jc23** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:06 pm

davhern wrote:
monsterman wrote:Riddle me this?

Which team looks more likely to win an NBA title or titles very soon with these two players, Miami or Chicago?

If LeBron and Bosh are in agreement to sign on the same team, I'm sure this is the main question that they are asking themselves.

Both are more than likely enough to win championships in the short term and Bulls are more likely to be set up for more in the 5 years + range.

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