Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[kulaz3000]

IF true this will be the last straw for me. For 28 years I've supported this team but if they trade Butler to rebuild and don't get back a top 10-15 player in return then I'm done with the Bulls and the NBA, I can't deal with the stress anymore

Yeah, it would be close to the last straw with me too.

Honestly even this season my fandom has diminished quite a bit because the team quite frankly just isn't fun to watch most nights and I don't feel I'm missing all that much even when I do miss games. And I'm not talking about wins and losses, there were different Bulls teams with worse rosters that was more fun to watch because they just played harder and with more joy than this team.

If they trade Jimmy for anything less than a no.2 pick, my interest in the team will be even less.

[Ice Man]

You guys are overstating the issue a bit. In my view. Yeah Rondo was a drag, and Wade sometimes plays old, but the current rotation is young, high energy, and not terrible. OK not real good either aside from Jimmy but they're giving it a go. There are plenty of NBA teams that are less fun that this group.

[TheStig]

Before anyone panics about the Bulls selling Butler on the cheap, remember that this is the organization that traded Eddy Curry for two unprotected first round picks while they were saying he had a heart condition that they would not let him play through.

This is also the same organization who signed a past prime Ben Wallce to a huge deal and then dealt a prime Tyson Chandler on a much smaller deal for an old broken down PJ Brown and Jr Smith, who they flipped for a 2nd rounder.

So a DPOY and 3 time all defensive player for a old rental and a 2nd.

It's a crap shoot.

[BeatDaCavs420]

Not buying it

I will be **** sick to my stomach if it does happen

[jnrjr79]

Management is in hot water because of the season which the majority of fans and NBA analyst's expected? We are pretty much right at where the majority of people thought we would be, on the cusp of the playoffs and missing the playoffs, so I don't know how management would be in deep water.

But let's go with it, and say they are in deep water because ownership was just as delusion as casual Bulls fans thinking the way the Bulls started should have been the way the rest of the season went; how would management trading their best player by a long mile resolve anything? Find me trades where you see a star player being traded out for another star player? Trade him for a draft pick? Sure, I'd be OK with that, but it better be for a no.1 or no.2 pick at the very worst, and none of this trading for draft rights and falling down to no.4 or no.5 business. I want a deal for a draft pick made after the draft results have been revealed and then we can talk about draft picks.

I just don't see the logic of the management is in hot water, so they are looking to trade Jimmy to make the team even worse. Great logic right there.

Well, in fairness, just because the Bulls were expected to not be good doesn't mean it's acceptable to not be good.

Indeed.

I don't believe they are in trouble, but maybe that plan to blow up the team this summer that didn't happen is still on. Wade and Rondo are here just for a minute, just to fill some seats and make the playoffs. Not that I believe Bucher. But all things are possible.

If management were in hot water, that would be the last time to let them trade away the best player since MJ. Obviously, GarPax wouldn't have the discretion to do this deal without JR's say-so, and if he's doubting their ability to do their jobs effectively, why would you let them take a bet-the-farm risk like this? The much more appropriate decision would be to make them ride out the season with only more minor tweaks available and see how this team they built performs. Can them in the offseason if they fall below acceptable performance.

[BeatDaCavs420]

Gar/Pax need to shut this **** down fast

[Poohdini1]

Wouldn't be that upset if we got Wiggins & Dunn tbh. Cavs got 2 #1 overall picks for K Love.

[Rerisen]

Read on Twitter

A FO in hot water usually isn't granted 5 more years to rebuild by trading their best player.

Which case this makes no sense, less they are trying to trade him to 'win now' and I don't see anyway you could get back better pieces for that than Jimmy. What are they going to do trade for Cousins?

After Rondo, I think we see they have no idea how to handle problem players.

[jnrjr79]

Before anyone panics about the Bulls selling Butler on the cheap, remember that this is the organization that traded Eddy Curry for two unprotected first round picks while they were saying he had a heart condition that they would not let him play through.

This is also the same organization who signed a past prime Ben Wallce to a huge deal and then dealt a prime Tyson Chandler on a much smaller deal for an old broken down PJ Brown and Jr Smith, who they flipped for a 2nd rounder.

So a DPOY and 3 time all defensive player for a old rental and a 2nd.

It's a crap shoot.

That's a pretty slanted portrait of those deals. Chandler became DPOY six years after the Bulls dealt him.

Wallace, who you call "past prime," was the reigning DPOY the very year the Bulls signed him.

I get that you might not do those deals in retrospect, but GMs don't have time machines.

[jnrjr79]

Gar/Pax need to shut this **** down fast

They never comment on trade rumors. If false, though, they should tell Jimmy that. Addressing trade rumors publicly is problematic because then it becomes pretty conspicuous when you don't come out and deny something.

[RedBulls23]

Wouldn't be that upset if we got Wiggins & Dunn tbh. Cavs got 2 #1 overall picks for K Love.

Wiggins seems be underwhelming to the player he was projected to be.

Wolves fans also question his drive.

Then Dunn is about as mediocre of a prospect you can get.

[weneeda2guard]

As I said before

You tank and lose to get players like butler

We are willing to bet our entire future on the "hopes" that this is a deep draft full of stars.

Need I remind us how many "deep" drafts we were supposed to have , that were supposed to be the deepest in years and only turned out 2-3 quality players and the rest not so great, funny enough doug was in one of those drafts, look how that turned out smh.

We move jimmy for some "hope" and 5 years from now bulls will be the laughing stock of the league having traded away a franchise player watching a bunch of "hopefuls" fight to win 30 games a year.

Or maybe, I don't know, just maybe, you see a franchise player and add another star to him? I didn't know that task was so insurmountable, I didn't realize we were not in a major market and that no one would want to play with jimmy.

[Rerisen]

I expect the FO (Via KC or McGraw) to come out and quash this.

Bulls brass aren't exactly buddy buddy with Bucher and his Rose related sources.

[Bulls03]

Read on Twitter

All is well.

[Mr Funk]

It's Bucher but GarPax still need to be shot out of a cannon.

[RedBulls23]

Read on Twitter

A FO in hot water usually isn't granted 5 more years to rebuild by trading their best player.

Which case this makes no sense, less they are trying to trade him to 'win now' and I don't see anyway you could get back better pieces for that than Jimmy. What are they going to do trade for Cousins?

After Rondo, I think we see they have no idea how to handle problem players.

Rondo hasn't neccisarily been a problem though, just a terrible fit. Which most saw outside of the FO and Fred it seems.

I'll give credit to Fred for benching him, but if at some point he starts again, it will have been a pointless exercise. Either have him come off the bench, or trade/waive him.

[Rerisen]

Well that didn't take long.

[TheGOATRises007]

Butler is worth FAR more than Wiggins and Dunn.

That's a TERRIBLE deal for us. Wiggins will never amount to being an all star in all likelihood.

If they trade Butler and get trash back in return, I am done. And the city of Chicago should riot.

[BigUps]

BTW, Fridell is on ESPN 1000 talking about this rumor.

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[Ice Man]

Wouldn't be that upset if we got Wiggins & Dunn tbh. Cavs got 2 #1 overall picks for K Love.

Andrew Wiggins is the 61st small forward out of 80 in real plus/minus this year, between Joe Harris and Maurice Ndour. He does nothing but shoot a lot, with average efficiency. I might take 5 Andrew Wigginses for Jimmy Butler in the hope that one will change his game entirely and grow into his athleticism, but one of them ... nope. Not close.