Source: Bulls seeking 1st rounder for Doug or Lopez

[Stratmaster]

This was all part of the same rumors and stories as the Okafor rumors. Been out there a couple weeks.

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[sco]

Portis had an opportunity to play 12 games as the back up center. If what Felicio is doing is so easy how come Portis couldn't muster up some easy dunks and put backs? If I remember correctly, Portis was one of the worst player I had ever seen in that stretch.

Portis is bad at basketball. Very simple. Does anyone really trust these guys in drafting? Felicio is a nice backup to play 20 minutes.

Agree. Point is Felicio is an NBA rotational player. Bobby is not.

I will defend the FO a little. Portis has NBA talent but somehow got delusions of grandeur. He'd be a nice role player if he just focused on defense, rebounding, setting picks and scoring at the rim (and developing a consistent corner 3). I think Fred hasn't done a good job of setting his role and it hurt his development.

Val, IMO, will be a good NBA rotational player in a couple years. His problem is that we aren't giving him a clear position. IMO, there is big difference between PG and SG. I think he can be either, but not both.

[League Circles]

Portis is bad at basketball. Very simple. Does anyone really trust these guys in drafting? Felicio is a nice backup to play 20 minutes.

Agree. Point is Felicio is an NBA rotational player. Bobby is not.

I will defend the FO a little. Portis has NBA talent but somehow got delusions of grandeur. He'd be a nice role player if he just focused on defense, rebounding, setting picks and scoring at the rim (and developing a consistent corner 3). I think Fred hasn't done a good job of setting his role and it hurt his development.

Val, IMO, will be a good NBA rotational player in a couple years. His problem is that we aren't giving him a clear position. IMO, there is big difference between PG and SG. I think he can be either, but not both.

Well he can prob play either position on offense, but I don't see any reason to think he can ever play PG on defense. And I'm a big believer that you are the position you can defend. So IMO he's actually less of a "1" (I don't like the term PG as it implies that the "1" should run the offense which is often not true) than even a guy like Tony Snell, E'Twan Moore, etc, even though obviously Denzel has more ball and passing skills.

[The Box Office]

Portis is bad at basketball. Very simple. Does anyone really trust these guys in drafting? Felicio is a nice backup to play 20 minutes.

Agree. Point is Felicio is an NBA rotational player. Bobby is not.

I will defend the FO a little. Portis has NBA talent but somehow got delusions of grandeur. He'd be a nice role player if he just focused on defense, rebounding, setting picks and scoring at the rim (and developing a consistent corner 3). I think Fred hasn't done a good job of setting his role and it hurt his development.

Val, IMO, will be a good NBA rotational player in a couple years. His problem is that we aren't giving him a clear position. IMO, there is big difference between PG and SG. I think he can be either, but not both.

Yes about Portis. I'll define his role. He needs to be the muscle; the Charles Oakley type to stay in this league. Portis doesn't have any hops, no athleticism. He should be a tough rebounding box out enforcer. That's what he is. He has the eyes hahaha

[Trm3]

Lopez clearly has first round pick value. Doug? Not a given with the way he's looked this season.

Just show them the Raptors and Grizzles games.

[bullslas]

Portis is bad at basketball. Very simple. Does anyone really trust these guys in drafting? Felicio is a nice backup to play 20 minutes.

Agree. Point is Felicio is an NBA rotational player. Bobby is not.

I will defend the FO a little. Portis has NBA talent but somehow got delusions of grandeur. He'd be a nice role player if he just focused on defense, rebounding, setting picks and scoring at the rim (and developing a consistent corner 3). I think Fred hasn't done a good job of setting his role and it hurt his development.

Val, IMO, will be a good NBA rotational player in a couple years. His problem is that we aren't giving him a clear position. IMO, there is big difference between PG and SG. I think he can be either, but not both.

Portis just isn't strong enough. His defense is bad, rebounding below average. I don't see how Portis is an NBA player in 3 years.

I will say that I our coaches have probably confused him on how to play. His basketball IQ wasn't great, but our coaching staff has probably confused him even more. It just amazes me that Portis, Niko, Doug, Val all hang out at the 3 pt line. At this point is it the players or the coaches.

[BuffaloBull]

Agree. Point is Felicio is an NBA rotational player. Bobby is not.

I will defend the FO a little. Portis has NBA talent but somehow got delusions of grandeur. He'd be a nice role player if he just focused on defense, rebounding, setting picks and scoring at the rim (and developing a consistent corner 3). I think Fred hasn't done a good job of setting his role and it hurt his development.

Val, IMO, will be a good NBA rotational player in a couple years. His problem is that we aren't giving him a clear position. IMO, there is big difference between PG and SG. I think he can be either, but not both.

Portis just isn't strong enough. His defense is bad, rebounding below average. I don't see how Portis is an NBA player in 3 years.

I will say that I our coaches have probably confused him on how to play. His basketball IQ wasn't great, but our coaching staff has probably confused him even more. It just amazes me that Portis, Niko, Doug, Val all hang out at the 3 pt line. At this point is it the players or the coaches.

Bobby's young. It's been such a long time since we've had a big as young as him; Taj was 40 as a rookie, (ok 24), Jo was 22 his rookie year, Niko was 23, the list goes on. Bobby was 20 as a rookie, and played for a coach in college who didn't have a pro style defense.

NBA team defense is tough to learn, especially for bigs. And Bobby doesn't have amazing physical gifts that allow him to recover from mistakes and make spectacular saves, so he has to keep to the script at all times and that is tough.

He has some real talent though, especially offensively. He's a + offensive rebounder, with nice touch and handle for a guy his size. If he puts that all together, he could become a big who can play all over the floor, postup, face up, spot up from 3. BUT that's almost a negative right now, because he's still learning and not sure where or how he should play at all times.

But saying Portis is a bust in his second year feels way too premature, and reminds me of the sentiment that the board had years ago lamenting choosing Noah over Spencer Hawes. BP was a good pick at his draft slot, but he's a classic case of bigs needing more time.

[sh0ck]

Bobby has an issue of being completely non-versatile. He is strictly a PF and cannot play at any position outside of PF. Unfortunately, this roster has two PFs ahead of him in the rotation who are better than him at this point of their careers.

I think people's expectations of him were unrealistic anyways. They looked to the Summer League and were looking for him to replicate KG, when he really should be looking to be replicating Darrell Arthur. Which at a 20s pick, is pretty good.

[DarthDiggler69]

Lopez clearly has first round pick value. Doug? Not a given with the way he's looked this season.

Just show them the Raptors and Grizzles games.

or perhaps Raptors or Grizzlies would take him at a good price

[sco]

Sounds like Gar wanted to use the 1st plus another player (Val?) to land Okafor.