Just Sad, "Chicago sees deadliest Memorial Day weekend in four years"

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I think people who are passionate enough about an issue to organize protests and even burn **** down are obligated to be informed about that issue. That means reading not just the media/social media, but also statistics and academic papers.

[2018C3]

I'm white, and also have been treated poorly by cops on multiple occasion, The two that stick out the most are these ones.

One time while driving down Roosevelt road in Lombard late at night, I asked a friend who was not drinking to pull over so I could take a piss. We pulled over behind a building, I started to whip it out, and got tackled and pinned to the ground. After some discussion and a search of the vehicle we were eventually let go. (They said that the area we stopped in was a high risk area for drug trade, and they were staking it out. We both got warnings, and they told us if we were ever there again we would be arrested,

Another time. and this is the worst one. I was trying to find a parking spot in the city. One Officer told me drive to another lot. There was no problem here, I drove to the other lot. When I got there another officer told me to go back to the one I came from. "I politely said I was just there, and was told to come here".

For absolutely no unprovoked reason the officer got in my face and asked if I had a problem. I was stunned and did not answer quickly. He then said, "I could drag your ass down to jail right now".

This could have went two ways. I could have been a ass but choose a different method. I swallowed my pride and eventually blurted out "Sorry officer, I did not mean any dis-respect. I'm was just looking for a parking spot and was told to by another officer to come here.

After traffic did not move, that same officer later walked up to the car about a minute later, and apologized for his actions, I said "no problem" and continued my day.

If I tried to be a smart ass with this idiot, I'm sure things could have gone differently.

I'm not discounting the fact if I was a different color both of these situations may have gone a different way. But the key to get through them is maintain your cool regardless of race.



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[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I'm not discounting the fact if I was a different color both of these situations may have gone a different way. But the key to get through them is maintain your cool regardless of race.

How many times have we seen Black people "remain cool" and get shot anyway? Philando Castille, Botham Jean...

And why is the onus on US to remain cool in the face of extreme provocation? Aren't the police supposedly trained in de-escalation?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

And to answer the OP's question about how to stop the violence in Chicago: equitable funding for education, radically reformed policing, living wages, affordable (and intelligently designed) housing, anti-discrimination laws around access to loans... I could go on.

Basically a suite of policies based on the notion that Black people would do fine if given half a chance.

[2018C3]

Here are the demographics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

For this example I will use the 2019 totals, as its the last full year statistics. In 2019 we had 370 whites shot by police, 235 Blacks, and 158 Hispanics, and 39 identified as other, 202 of unknown race.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, but get shot by police 23% of the time, this is a static abnormally that needs to get fixed.

[logical_art]

Here are the demographics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

For this example I will use the 2019 totals, as its the last full year statistics. In 2019 we had 370 whites shot by police, 235 Blacks, and 158 Hispanics, and 39 identified as other, 202 of unknown race.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, but get shot by police 23% of the time, this is a static abnormally that needs to get fixed.

But they also interact more with police due to higher crime/arrest rates. That's the relevant denominator, not population. A paper I posted previously uses that approach and finds that blacks are not more likely to be shots than non-blacks in a given police interaction.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Here are the demographics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

For this example I will use the 2019 totals, as its the last full year statistics. In 2019 we had 370 whites shot by police, 235 Blacks, and 158 Hispanics, and 39 identified as other, 202 of unknown race.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, but get shot by police 23% of the time, this is a static abnormally that needs to get fixed.

But they also interact more with police due to higher crime/arrest rates. That's the relevant denominator, not population. A paper I posted previously uses that approach and finds that blacks are not more likely to be shots than non-blacks in a given police interaction.

The PNAS paper was widely panned as bad (and frequently misinterpreted) scholarship shortly after it came out.

[League Circles]

I'm not discounting the fact if I was a different color both of these situations may have gone a different way. But the key to get through them is maintain your cool regardless of race.

How many times have we seen Black people "remain cool" and get shot anyway? Philando Castille, Botham Jean...

And why is the onus on US to remain cool in the face of extreme provocation? Aren't the police supposedly trained in de-escalation?

Good points. I don't think it's that the onus or burden is on the Innocent civilian to lead the way in deescalation, but rather just that it's wise. Same reason one is well advised to remain cool any time a tyranical, aggressive bully, especially an armed one, is provoking. Like, it's certainly morally justified to punch a cop who is overly physical or whatever, it's just a terribly unwise choice.

[Dominator83]

Here are the demographics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

For this example I will use the 2019 totals, as its the last full year statistics. In 2019 we had 370 whites shot by police, 235 Blacks, and 158 Hispanics, and 39 identified as other, 202 of unknown race.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, but get shot by police 23% of the time, this is a static abnormally that needs to get fixed.

They are 13% of the population, but commit 80% of all violent crimes. Hence why theres so much interaction with police. 13% of the population should only be committing 13% of the crimes. But it's 80% that's 6x what should be their normal share. If they were only committing 13% of crimes, police interactions would be way down and the neighborhoods would be safe

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I'm not discounting the fact if I was a different color both of these situations may have gone a different way. But the key to get through them is maintain your cool regardless of race.

How many times have we seen Black people "remain cool" and get shot anyway? Philando Castille, Botham Jean...

And why is the onus on US to remain cool in the face of extreme provocation? Aren't the police supposedly trained in de-escalation?

Good points. I don't think it's that the onus or burden is on the Innocent civilian to lead the way in deescalation, but rather just that it's wise. Same reason one is well advised to remain cool any time a tyranical, aggressive bully, especially an armed one, is provoking. Like, it's certainly morally justified to punch a cop who is overly physical or whatever, it's just a terribly unwise choice.

A lot of people plan to be restrained under those circumstances. They counsel their kids to do whatever a cop says. But it’s hard to be cool when someone’s shouting in your face, especially when you suspect - or in some cases KNOW - that it’s motivated by racism.

And, like I said before, you could do everything you’re told when dealing with a cop and still have the situation go left.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Here are the demographics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

For this example I will use the 2019 totals, as its the last full year statistics. In 2019 we had 370 whites shot by police, 235 Blacks, and 158 Hispanics, and 39 identified as other, 202 of unknown race.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, but get shot by police 23% of the time, this is a static abnormally that needs to get fixed.

They are 13% of the population, but commit 80% of all violent crimes. Hence why theres so much interaction with police. 13% of the population should only be committing 13% of the crimes. But it's 80% that's 6x what should be their normal share. If they were only committing 13% of crimes, police interactions would be way down and the neighborhoods would be safe

You realize that these stats are driven in part by the fact black communities are policed very differently from white ones, right?

[Dominator83]

Here are the demographics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

For this example I will use the 2019 totals, as its the last full year statistics. In 2019 we had 370 whites shot by police, 235 Blacks, and 158 Hispanics, and 39 identified as other, 202 of unknown race.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, but get shot by police 23% of the time, this is a static abnormally that needs to get fixed.

They are 13% of the population, but commit 80% of all violent crimes. Hence why theres so much interaction with police. 13% of the population should only be committing 13% of the crimes. But it's 80% that's 6x what should be their normal share. If they were only committing 13% of crimes, police interactions would be way down and the neighborhoods would be safe

You realize that these stats are driven in part by the fact black communities are policed very differently from white ones, right?

It's a lot more driven by upbringing. It all starts at home.

[logical_art]

Here are the demographics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

For this example I will use the 2019 totals, as its the last full year statistics. In 2019 we had 370 whites shot by police, 235 Blacks, and 158 Hispanics, and 39 identified as other, 202 of unknown race.

Blacks make up 13% of the population, but get shot by police 23% of the time, this is a static abnormally that needs to get fixed.

But they also interact more with police due to higher crime/arrest rates. That's the relevant denominator, not population. A paper I posted previously uses that approach and finds that blacks are not more likely to be shots than non-blacks in a given police interaction.

The PNAS paper was widely panned as bad (and frequently misinterpreted) scholarship shortly after it came out.

Can you be specific about the criticism and provide links?

And what is your critique with using actual interactions with police rather than just % of population?

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[AshyLarrysDiaper]

They are 13% of the population, but commit 80% of all violent crimes. Hence why theres so much interaction with police. 13% of the population should only be committing 13% of the crimes. But it's 80% that's 6x what should be their normal share. If they were only committing 13% of crimes, police interactions would be way down and the neighborhoods would be safe

You realize that these stats are driven in part by the fact black communities are policed very differently from white ones, right?

It's a lot more driven by upbringing. It all starts at home.

You’re a racist. No other way to put it.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

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But they also interact more with police due to higher crime/arrest rates. That's the relevant denominator, not population. A paper I posted previously uses that approach and finds that blacks are not more likely to be shots than non-blacks in a given police interaction.

The PNAS paper was widely panned as bad (and frequently misinterpreted) scholarship shortly after it came out.

Can you be specific about the criticism and provide links?

And what is your critique with using actual interactions with police rather than just % of population?

Google “PNAS critique” and you’ll find plenty.

[logical_art]

You realize that these stats are driven in part by the fact black communities are policed very differently from white ones, right?

It's a lot more driven by upbringing. It all starts at home.

You’re a racist. No other way to put it.

Why is he a racist? You don't think parenting matters?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

It's a lot more driven by upbringing. It all starts at home.

You’re a racist. No other way to put it.

Why is he a racist? You don't think parenting matters?

The suggestion that Black parents are somehow raising wayward kids independent of external factors is racist.

[Dominator83]

You realize that these stats are driven in part by the fact black communities are policed very differently from white ones, right?

It's a lot more driven by upbringing. It all starts at home.

You’re a racist. No other way to put it.

If your a good guy, I like you. If your not I don't like you, regardless of color or religion. That's how I've always operated. But if I'm racist for stating facts, then so be it. Thats why nothing will ever change because people get angry when they hear facts. When people, of any color, are the kind that rob, mug, kill, bully kids in school, or are just a-holes in general etc, that started at home.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

It's a lot more driven by upbringing. It all starts at home.

You’re a racist. No other way to put it.

If your a good guy, I like you. If your not I don't like you, regardless of color or religion. That's how I've always operated. But if I'm racist for stating facts, then so be it. Thats why nothing will ever change because people get angry when they hear facts. When people, of any color, are the kind that rob, mug, kill, bully kids in school, or are just a-holes in general etc, that started at home.

“It all starts at home” isn’t a fact. It’s oft-used coded language that implies Black people are less capable of raising their kids. Racism, in other words. I know it and you know it and I’m not going to play innocent with you.