Around the NBA: 2020-21 Season

Andi Obst · Post #121 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:55 pm

I must admit that I underrated how trash that Warriors team is. It's really just Steph and some guys without Draymond (who is not going to improve their offense probably). Some fringe NBA guys getting significant minutes in game 1 of the season. Juan Toscano-Anderson guarding KD at times. Wiggins still very much the same.

Wiseman looked intriguing for sure though. Still out of control and out of position a lot, but that's completely normal for a 19-year-old as a starter in his first NBA game on national TV. He also hasn't played in 500 years. But he flashed some really interesting stuff, especially with the ball in his hands. I wasn't a fan pre-draft, but I always hope they prove me wrong. The Warriors could definitely use a ROY type season from him.

VolumePoster · Post #122 » by **VolumePoster** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:38 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:
VolumePoster wrote:
cjbulls wrote:Wiseman starting tonight. If he looks good I will be depressed.

I'd buckle up then. My feeling is he'll be excellent.

And should Patrick Williams be excellent too, will people still be moping about not getting Wiseman? I don't think there was any legit chance of trading up to get him.

There probably wasn't. I still like Williams a lot as well. Nice production from our pick would certainly take some sting away!

TheStig · Post #123 » by **TheStig** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:05 pm

ChicagoStrong wrote:

Read on Twitter

LMAO Harden literally took out half the team :lol:

Yes, I know Covid isn't a joke.

TheStig · Post #124 » by **TheStig** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:06 pm

Little Nathan wrote:I must admit that I underrated how trash that Warriors team is. It's really just Steph and some guys without Draymond (who is not going to improve their offense probably). Some fringe NBA guys getting significant minutes in game 1 of the season. Juan Toscano-Anderson guarding KD at times. Wiggins still very much the same.

Wiseman looked intriguing for sure though. Still out of control and out of position a lot, but that's completely normal for a 19-year-old as a starter in his first NBA game on national TV. He also hasn't played in 500 years. But he flashed some really interesting stuff, especially with the ball in his hands. I wasn't a fan pre-draft, but I always hope they prove me wrong. The Warriors could definitely use a ROY type season from him.

It's just Steph. Draymond has been some guy without the floor completely spread and superstars surrounding him.

Andi Obst · Post #125 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:12 pm

TheStig wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:I must admit that I underrated how trash that Warriors team is. It's really just Steph and some guys without Draymond (who is not going to improve their offense probably). Some fringe NBA guys getting significant minutes in game 1 of the season. Juan Toscano-Anderson guarding KD at times. Wiggins still very much the same.

Wiseman looked intriguing for sure though. Still out of control and out of position a lot, but that's completely normal for a 19-year-old as a starter in his first NBA game on national TV. He also hasn't played in 500 years. But he flashed some really interesting stuff, especially with the ball in his hands. I wasn't a fan pre-draft, but I always hope they prove me wrong. The Warriors could definitely use a ROY type season from him.

It's just Steph. Draymond has been some guy without the floor completely spread and superstars surrounding him.

Disagree, I still think he can be a difference-maker defensively. Not like 2016 Dray, but he can certainly still make more of an impact than the other guys they have. We'll see how committed he is this year, that's obviously the question.

Indomitable · Post #126 » by **Indomitable** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:12 pm

Little Nathan wrote:I must admit that I underrated how trash that Warriors team is. It's really just Steph and some guys without Draymond (who is not going to improve their offense probably). Some fringe NBA guys getting significant minutes in game 1 of the season. Juan Toscano-Anderson guarding KD at times. Wiggins still very much the same.

Wiseman looked intriguing for sure though. Still out of control and out of position a lot, but that's completely normal for a 19-year-old as a starter in his first NBA game on national TV. He also hasn't played in 500 years. But he flashed some really interesting stuff, especially with the ball in his hands. I wasn't a fan pre-draft, but I always hope they prove me wrong. The Warriors could definitely use a ROY type season from him.

The Warriors are not trash because they got destroyed on opening night.

No one who understands the NBA expected them to be a top 4 team in the west.

The Nets came out to prove a point. Golden State probably wins their next game.

Andi Obst · Post #127 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:16 pm

Indomitable wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:I must admit that I underrated how trash that Warriors team is. It's really just Steph and some guys without Draymond (who is not going to improve their offense probably). Some fringe NBA guys getting significant minutes in game 1 of the season. Juan Toscano-Anderson guarding KD at times. Wiggins still very much the same.

Wiseman looked intriguing for sure though. Still out of control and out of position a lot, but that's completely normal for a 19-year-old as a starter in his first NBA game on national TV. He also hasn't played in 500 years. But he flashed some really interesting stuff, especially with the ball in his hands. I wasn't a fan pre-draft, but I always hope they prove me wrong. The Warriors could definitely use a ROY type season from him.

The Warriors are not trash because they got destroyed on opening night.

That's not what I said. Their roster is terrible and I somehow missed that.

madvillian · Post #128 » by **madvillian** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:17 pm

GS is awful. They have no depth. They'll be fighting for the most ping pong balls again. I doubt Draymond plays more than 40 games. Dude has checked out from his NBA career now that he's had success and gotten paid.

dice · Post #129 » by **dice** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:27 pm

cjbulls wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:You've got to be pretty dumb to not want to trade for James Harden. He's an all-time great player with prime years left.

Yet he remains untraded

if prime MJ asked to be traded, you can bet that it would have taken a long time to pull the trigger

TheStig · Post #130 » by **TheStig** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:27 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
TheStig wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:I must admit that I underrated how trash that Warriors team is. It's really just Steph and some guys without Draymond (who is not going to improve their offense probably). Some fringe NBA guys getting significant minutes in game 1 of the season. Juan Toscano-Anderson guarding KD at times. Wiggins still very much the same.

Wiseman looked intriguing for sure though. Still out of control and out of position a lot, but that's completely normal for a 19-year-old as a starter in his first NBA game on national TV. He also hasn't played in 500 years. But he flashed some really interesting stuff, especially with the ball in his hands. I wasn't a fan pre-draft, but I always hope they prove me wrong. The Warriors could definitely use a ROY type season from him.

It's just Steph. Draymond has been some guy without the floor completely spread and superstars surrounding him.

Disagree, I still think he can be a difference-maker defensively. Not like 2016 Dray, but he can certainly still make more of an impact than the other guys they have. We'll see how committed he is this year, that's obviously the question.

Maybe in the perfect setting. But he's regressed a lot since then. His shooting has completely fallen off, he's seen a decline across the board and he's lost a step. As other teams have gone small, he's doesn't really offer much advantage. Maybe he returns to form? But at this point, I think he's becoming a bad contract and Wiseman will replace him in a year or so.

TheStig · Post #131 » by **TheStig** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:31 pm

madvillian wrote:GS is awful. They have no depth. They'll be fighting for the most ping pong balls again. I doubt Draymond plays more than 40 games. Dude has checked out from his NBA career now that he's had success and gotten paid.

Steph can't hold up carrying the load night in and night out like he did in the past. I think he'll get injured like last year.

Jeffster81 · Post #132 » by **Jeffster81** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:35 pm

TheStig wrote:
ChicagoStrong wrote:

Read on Twitter

LMAO Harden literally took out half the team

Yes, I know Covid isn't a joke.

I'm glad my dislike of Harden is justified. I know the man is talented but he bugs me the wrong way. I rather watch "The Decision" on loop for 7 days straight than watch Harden's game.

madvillian · Post #133 » by **madvillian** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:37 pm

Hate to ruin the fun but it's actually Kenyon Martin Jr that's the source of the COVID issues.

ZOMG · Post #134 » by **ZOMG** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:43 pm

madvillian wrote:Hate to ruin the fun but it's actually Kenyon Martin Jr that's the source of the COVID issues.

Well, kind of... but Cousins and Wall were with him at someone's apartment "getting haircuts". Then Martin tested positive.

I don't know what those vets were thinking (well, mainly Wall... Cousins is a known knucklehead. He probably doesn't think).

At least Wall didn't "slip and fall" while "getting a haircut" and and rupture his achilles again.

cjbulls · Post #135 » by **cjbulls** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:45 pm

dice wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:You've got to be pretty dumb to not want to trade for James Harden. He's an all-time great player with prime years left.

Yet he remains untraded

if prime MJ asked to be traded, you can bet that it would have taken a long time to pull the trigger

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260882/Rockets-Want-James-Harden-Trade-Done-Sooner-Than-Later

TheStig · Post #136 » by **TheStig** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:25 am

Jeffster81 wrote:
TheStig wrote:
ChicagoStrong wrote:

Read on Twitter

LMAO Harden literally took out half the team

Yes, I know Covid isn't a joke.

I'm glad my dislike of Harden is justified. I know the man is talented but he bugs me the wrong way. I rather watch "The Decision" on loop for 7 days straight than watch Harden's game.

I think he's going to have to change his game when he goes somewhere. He won't be the hometown superstar. If he's a guy who works within a system, he'll be great. MD just isn't a real coach and I think it created this Harden.

But yea, this Harden is brutal to watch. And he won't even play off ball.

ZOMG · Post #137 » by **ZOMG** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:38 am

LaMelo looking bad now that the intensity of the defense is up.

TheStig · Post #138 » by **TheStig** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:40 am

dice wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:You've got to be pretty dumb to not want to trade for James Harden. He's an all-time great player with prime years left.

Yet he remains untraded

if prime MJ asked to be traded, you can bet that it would have taken a long time to pull the trigger

Yeah, Krause was never gonna trade him and JR wouldn't let him. JR wouldn't sign off on a pip deal.

dice · Post #139 » by **dice** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:44 am

cjbulls wrote:
dice wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
Yet he remains untraded

if prime MJ asked to be traded, you can bet that it would have taken a long time to pull the trigger

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260882/Rockets-Want-James-Harden-Trade-Done-Sooner-Than-Later

that doesn't mean they're gonna pull the trigger before the bidding is over. it certainly doesn't mean that teams are just offering peanuts

cjbulls · Post #140 » by **cjbulls** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:45 am

ZOMG wrote:LaMelo looking bad now that the intensity of the defense is up.

He looks nervous and unsure of himself. He played so confident in the preseason.