GO CRAZY PAT! - Patrick Williams thread p2

[HomoSapien]

Williams is the youngest player in the entire NBA, didn't get a full NCAA season, didn't get a summer league, didn't get a proper pre-season experience. With all those things in mind, I think it's okay that he's playing a little conservatively right now. If he's this passive a year from now, then we may have a problem, but I think he deserves a longer leash than most rookies.

[Leslie Forman]

DeAndre Hunter, who was a very similar prospect, was some straight up invisible trash last year. Now look at him.

High IQ guys don't just come into the league immediately with loads of irrational confidence. They're going to let themselves grow into a bigger role instead of just coming in chucking up shots and trying to pull Shamgods on everyone.

[othawhitemeat]

DeAndre Hunter, who was a very similar prospect, was some straight up invisible trash last year. Now look at him.

High IQ guys don't just come into the league immediately with loads of irrational confidence. They're going to let themselves grow into a bigger role instead of just coming in chucking up shots and trying to pull Shamgods on everyone.

I somewhat agree, but DeAndre Hunter was not trash last year. However, aggressiveness, I agree with you. Another one that is starting to do well is Mikal Bridges too. I do think Williams has a little bit of advantage on both of them in terms of size to be able to guard 4's too.

[DuckIII]

DeAndre Hunter, who was a very similar prospect, was some straight up invisible trash last year. Now look at him.

High IQ guys don't just come into the league immediately with loads of irrational confidence. They're going to let themselves grow into a bigger role instead of just coming in chucking up shots and trying to pull Shamgods on everyone.

I somewhat agree, but DeAndre Hunter was not trash last year. However, aggressiveness, I agree with you. Another one that is starting to do well is Mikal Bridges too. I do think Williams has a little bit of advantage on both of them in terms of size to be able to guard 4's too.

These are interesting comps for another reason: they were both 22 years old as rookies and are now just blossoming as 23 year olds.

Willy’s last 3 games were hot trash. Most troublesome about them was his defense which just has not been there. But if you can’t see the tools, and appreciate his place on the pecking order so early in the season, I didn’t know what to tell you. Regardless, he needs to be playing better defense. Yes, even though he seemingly gets a star matchup nearly every night.

[CoreyVillains]

Anyone who watched him play at FSU should not be shocked that he lets the game come to him. His lack of taking the game by the balls is the reason that he was mocked in that 8-12 range most of the year. Only in the last week or so before the draft was he getting top 5 buzz. We need to be patient with him and not try to project to much on him too fast.

[Ice Man]

Williams is the youngest player in the entire NBA, didn't get a full NCAA season, didn't get a summer league, didn't get a proper pre-season experience.

Yes. So why is he starting? The number of games that Scottie Pippen started as a rookie: 0. The number that Jimmy Butler started: 0. Was their development stifled?

If the guy isn't ready, and he is not ready, hell he is 3 years younger than either of those guys were as rookies, don't start him. It's better for the team and it's better for the player. This one is on BD.

[Bulls69]

Williams is the youngest player in the entire NBA, didn't get a full NCAA season, didn't get a summer league, didn't get a proper pre-season experience. With all those things in mind, I think it's okay that he's playing a little conservatively right now. If he's this passive a year from now, then we may have a problem, but I think he deserves a longer leash than most rookies.

Nailed it

[DuckIII]

Williams is the youngest player in the entire NBA, didn't get a full NCAA season, didn't get a summer league, didn't get a proper pre-season experience.

Yes. So why is he starting? The number of games that Scottie Pippen started as a rookie: 0. The number that Jimmy Butler started: 0. Was their development stifled?

If the guy isn't ready, and he is not ready, hell he is 3 years younger than either of those guys were as rookies, don't start him. It's better for the team and it's better for the player. This one is on BD.

There are multiple ways to develop rookies. He’s had three bad games in a row. I have no problem with what BD is doing. It’s a unique circumstance with our roster in that starting actually puts much less pressure on him offensively.

If there is a problem it’s the amount of pressure it’s putting on him defensively. Luka, Giannis, Kawhi, LeBron(s), Brown, Hayward. Prior to the last 3 games he was handling these tests well. But now he’s not. So perhaps, though I’m not convinced, he could use a breather on the defensive assignments, accomplished best by having him guard reserve players from the bench.

But my gut tells me BD lets him play through this, warts and all.

[Ice Man]

There are multiple ways to develop rookies. He’s had three bad games in a row. I have no problem with what BD is doing. It’s a unique circumstance with our roster in that starting actually puts much less pressure on him offensively.

? Thad, Denzel, Otto, and Temple don't need invitations to score. PWill would be a spot-up shooter for that group, just as he is for the starters.

[DuckIII]

There are multiple ways to develop rookies. He’s had three bad games in a row. I have no problem with what BD is doing. It’s a unique circumstance with our roster in that starting actually puts much less pressure on him offensively.

? Thad, Denzel, Otto, and Temple don't need invitations to score. PWill would be a spot-up shooter for that group, just as he is for the starters.

He’s the 5th option with the starters. That’s the only 5 man unit in which this would be true. Given that we have OPJ, it’s pretty clear this is the reason he’s starting.

Maybe it’s not the right thing to do, but it’s the reason. And so far anyway, I have no issue with it offensively. But if he’s going to continue to defend like he has been the last three games he needs to go to the bench.

[sco]

We all get too excited when rookies show promise early and assign a trajectory that is unlikely. How many dudes become as good as Kawhi? I think it is more likely he becomes another Thabo Sefolosha or Tony Snell.

[cjbulls]

We all get too excited when rookies show promise early and assign a trajectory that is unlikely. How many dudes become as good as Kawhi? I think it is more likely he becomes another Thabo Sefolosha or Tony Snell.

There is definitely some of that here. It also hurts that he was drafted so high that people get unrealistic expectations. If the Bulls picked him at 11 (where he belonged) maybe people would relax a little more. But because he went 4th unexpectedly to this new administration, everyone wants to assume he’s the miracle pick, better than Wiseman/Ball, etc.

With that said, he’s already about as good as Thabo/Snell. He seems on a trajectory to be like an Otto (not hobbled Otto)/Deng type of guy that will be a solid defender, team player, 3rd/4th starter type of guy but won’t be able to turn into a big-time scorer because he has no standout traits.

But who knows, he’s only 19. We still haven’t seen one offseason yet to gauge his improvement. For these types of guys, you wont know until you see their gains over time.

[Bulls69]

DeAndre Hunter, who was a very similar prospect, was some straight up invisible trash last year. Now look at him.

High IQ guys don't just come into the league immediately with loads of irrational confidence. They're going to let themselves grow into a bigger role instead of just coming in chucking up shots and trying to pull Shamgods on everyone.

I somewhat agree, but DeAndre Hunter was not trash last year. However, aggressiveness, I agree with you. Another one that is starting to do well is Mikal Bridges too. I do think Williams has a little bit of advantage on both of them in terms of size to be able to guard 4's too.

These are interesting comps for another reason: they were both 22 years old as rookies and are now just blossoming as 23 year olds.

Willy’s last 3 games were hot trash. Most troublesome about them was his defense which just has not been there. But if you can’t see the tools, and appreciate his place on the pecking order so early in the season, I didn’t know what to tell you. Regardless, he needs to be playing better defense. Yes, even though he seemingly gets a star matchup nearly every night.[/quote
Agree 100% Pat last three games has been garbage this kid going to have his up's and down's I expected that from PWill he has the tools it's all about effort on Defense. The growing pains of being a rookie this offseason is going to be key for PWill putting the work I still like this kid.

[Andi Obst]

Williams is the youngest player in the entire NBA

Reported for Poku slander.

[DASMACKDOWN]

He just had 13/8 a game ago

This was the first game he had foul trouble early and Billy decided the bench had the best night. That was on ALL our starters by the way besides Zach.

[madvillian]

He looks easily discouraged. Hard to be 19 going against grown men every night. Baptism by fire, I don't mind it. This team is going nowhere fast anyways.

[Bulliever2020]

The interesting thing to me is where all this indecisiveness has come from on offense all of the sudden. Early in the year he was making quick decisions. Either making the quick pass or driving. Now he looks like a deer in headlights every time he catches the ball. He's thinking too much right now and looks overwhelmed.

[HomoSapien]

Williams is the youngest player in the entire NBA, didn't get a full NCAA season, didn't get a summer league, didn't get a proper pre-season experience.

Yes. So why is he starting? The number of games that Scottie Pippen started as a rookie: 0. The number that Jimmy Butler started: 0. Was their development stifled?

If the guy isn't ready, and he is not ready, hell he is 3 years younger than either of those guys were as rookies, don't start him. It's better for the team and it's better for the player. This one is on BD.

I think they're doing this because it's easier to keep Porter's minutes restricted off the bench. That said, I don't mind bringing Williams off the bench, but I'm also okay throwing him into the fire. He's certainly getting schooled (in a good way) simply by having to guard guys like Leonard and James so early in his career. And while he's not blowing anyone's socks off he's averaging 10 points in 25 minutes and nailing 44% of his three's. Not exactly awful for a 19-year-old.

[HomoSapien]

Williams is the youngest player in the entire NBA

Reported for Poku slander.

Looks like Williams is the 2nd youngest! I was just repeating the lies that others have been spewing on this forum. Just awful, guys. Let's get it together.

[PaKii94]

Williams is the youngest player in the entire NBA

Reported for Poku slander.

Looks like Williams is the 2nd youngest! I was just repeating the lies that others have been spewing on this forum. Just awful, guys. Let's get it together.

I think the caveat was "youngest AMERICAN in the draft class"