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Re: Dennis Schroeder, Lonzo Ball, Reggie Jackson, Dinwiddie, Cameron Payne, Lowry, take your pick 

Post#121 » by dougthonus » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:52 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Why would Chicago agree to be a salary dump for mid-first pick. That’s awful for us and Wiggins is still one of the worst contracts in the league


If they aren't going to use cap room in 2022, then Wiggins is a valuable player, just not as valuable as his contract, and fills a need we presently have on the roster, and draft assets could be used to potentially fill another such need. I don't think Wiggins deal is that bad anymore. It has at most 20-30M in bad money on it relative to his ability as a player.
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Post#122 » by erlim » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:53 am

rtblues wrote:I would say that there are PGs out there that would cost considerably less than Lonzo Ball, and in the end the gap won''t be that substantial. Seems like people are buying into Ball's future upside, while I see him as WYSIWYG. He's not a great facilitator in the half court, and I don't think acquiring him for his 3-pt shooting is what they need.

Or, if they wanna spend some cash. get someone who does more than Ball, like Dinwiddie. Yeah, I know, here comes the, "but he had a partially torn ACL lat season" arguments. Seems like Zach came back pretty well from a worse, fully torn ACL, so you can't make that argument and acknowledge that Lavine did it. Durant looked pretty good last night after a torn Achilles too. You can't have it both ways. Besides, there would a physical to pass anyway, and that should alleviate any concerns.
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I am not sure about that injury. I’m no orthopedic surgeon but I’m pretty sure you can’t do anything with a partially torn ACL but monitor it—he might just be walking with an acl whose stability is compromised for his life...or until it fully breaks. Surgically repaired ACLs are usually really solid.
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Post#123 » by kodo » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:57 pm

Yeah Dinwiddie is a very interesting option. I think he's very gettable because most teams will be wary of his reconstructed ACL. The fact that he declined his player option indicates he's looking for at least $15M+ per year.

Even if he's fully back to his pre ACL form, he was never a great scorer. 41% FG career, and last few years he shot 30%-33% from 3. Recovering from ACL, I would also assume his defense will be bottom tier for a while.

So he's basically Dennis Schroder with an ACL risk?
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Post#124 » by sco » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:04 pm

kodo wrote:Yeah Dinwiddie is a very interesting option. I think he's very gettable because most teams will be wary of his reconstructed ACL. The fact that he declined his player option indicates he's looking for at least $15M+ per year.

Even if he's fully back to his pre ACL form, he was never a great scorer. 41% FG career, and last few years he shot 30%-33% from 3. Recovering from ACL, I would also assume his defense will be bottom tier for a while.

So he's basically Dennis Schroder with an ACL risk?

Did you mean to green font that first sentence? Everything you said after that would seem to contradict the point.
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Post#125 » by MrSparkle » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:19 pm

If I had to predict the 1 ‘major’ UFA pick up of the summer, I’d say Dinwiddie. He has a rapport with PW, it’s not going to be hard to beat his 12/1 option, and he should be healthy now. He very much fits the mold of Temple and Sato, and for the most part these 3-position point/utility/wing-guards fit the concept very well (so long you don’t ask them to run PG with a big, clunky front-court).
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Post#126 » by Almost Retired » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:42 pm

I would pass on Dinwiddie, the risk of re-injury would spook me into avoiding the type of long term deal > $15 Million a year he apparently is looking for. And Schroeder isn't worth what he thinks he's worth. So if we can't swing a S&T for Lonzo then Micic is our best bet for the money. If he doesn't work out we still have a First Round Pick in 2022.
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Post#127 » by Hold That » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:39 am

I definitely would be interested in Ball or Dinwiddie. Ball is the most intriguing due to age and his ability to see the floor. Dinwiddie is also nice because I wouldn’t mind bringing in a vet PG who can score but also isn’t a bad floor general. Overall Dinwiddie seems like a very good decision maker. Not concerned about reinjury. I doubt Dinwiddie will get anything beyond a 3 year deal.

Really could care less about the money side of it, it’s not like the Bulls have gone out there and gotten marquee free agents anyhow.
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Post#128 » by League Circles » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:45 am

I feel like settling for one of these guys will happen and will knock us out of contention for 5 years smh.

I think we need to think differently. These guys aren't the answer. Maybe a larger, jack of all trades defensive athlete might be available that would fit better than a "PG".
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Post#129 » by BullChit » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:31 am

Dw guys in a few days we will find out we got the #1 draft pick and this entire thread will be pointless...

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Post#130 » by Clint Eastwood » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:29 am

Dinwiddie declined his option because he wont get the playing time to put up the numbers needed to improve on the one year 12 mil deal. Not because he necessarily thinks he can get a multi-year deal over 12 mil per year.

Still annoys me cause we had him and I thought he looked great and should be kept, and we foolishly let him go.
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Post#131 » by WestsideResider » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:14 am

I could see us ending up with Ben Simmons
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Post#132 » by Clint Eastwood » Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:07 am

ChiKago wrote:I could see us ending up with Ben Simmons

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Post#133 » by BullChit » Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:01 am

ChiKago wrote:I could see us ending up with Ben Simmons


Yeah we will get our top 4 protected pick and trade it for him haha
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Post#134 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:27 am

Hold That wrote:I definitely would be interested in Ball or Dinwiddie. Ball is the most intriguing due to age and his ability to see the floor. Dinwiddie is also nice because I wouldn’t mind bringing in a vet PG who can score but also isn’t a bad floor general. Overall Dinwiddie seems like a very good decision maker. Not concerned about reinjury. I doubt Dinwiddie will get anything beyond a 3 year deal.

Really could care less about the money side of it, it’s not like the Bulls have gone out there and gotten marquee free agents anyhow.


A 3 year deal is huge problem if he sucks. We really cannot afford for our likely one major acquisition this Summer to be a bust.
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Post#135 » by Tetlak » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:32 pm

Please no to Dinwiddie. He's truly just an average player. Not a shooter, not a defender, inefficient scorer. This is not even considering the ACL.
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Post#136 » by Chi town » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:16 pm

It’s Lowry or bust. If AK is serious about winning he’s the guy. After seeing what CP3 has done for Booker and the Suns… identity, toughness, grit, teaching winning, defense… Lowry can do much of the same.

If we can’t get Lowry we are hoping Lonzo’s trend of improvement continues and he’s the 3D ball mover and passer we have been lacking.

Don’t see anyone else helping us win next season at PG.
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Post#137 » by Evil_Headband » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:14 am

Nightmare scenario is New Orleans matches on Ball after the market has dried up and the Bulls have renounced all their free agents. If they want Ball, they need to know ahead of time.
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Post#138 » by TheHrvReport » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:04 am

Lowry and only Lowry. Otherwise we're in trouble. No one else is moving the needle and/or significantly better than Coby.
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Post#139 » by Benedict Miller » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:26 am

Little Nathan wrote:Reggie Jackson?

REGGIE JACKSON?!

Only guys I‘d consider are Ball (depends on the money) and Lowry, who won’t come here.


Reggie Jackson has playoff experience has played and shot the ball well. I don't understand that reaction.
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Post#140 » by Andi Obst » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:52 am

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Little Nathan wrote:Reggie Jackson?

REGGIE JACKSON?!

Only guys I‘d consider are Ball (depends on the money) and Lowry, who won’t come here.


Reggie Jackson has playoff experience has played and shot the ball well. I don't understand that reaction.


He's been on fire ever since I posted that, that's true. Still doesn't change that he isn't the solution for this team, but good for him.

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