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Re: PG:New York Minute 

Post#121 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:57 am

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islanders11040 wrote:great competitive game guys. would be an awesome 1st round matchup. something like u guys 3rd seed and us 6th(or 2vs7).


I hope not! Knicks are a bad matchup for the Bulls. Knicks are physical, Bulls have a real tough time with them. Plus we have no PF or big guys besides Vooch to guard Randle.



We SHOULD be up 3-0 on the Knicks on the season. I'm not worried about them.
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Post#122 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:01 am

The way our half court offense screeches to a halt when the defense clamps down is concerning. It’s a pattern. Once the opposing defense intensifies, we just stagnate and rely on DDR/Zach isos, and too often the rest of the team is just standing around watching. Then if we turn the ball over and they score, we’re 28th in the league in offense off a made basket, as Mike Breen said during the game.

I’m glad we won, it’s great to see our big three(especially Vuc) playing so well again, and it’s a good sign we were able to weather the storm, but this is something to continue watching going forward.
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Post#123 » by Ice Man » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:03 am

RSP83 wrote:Btw, Caruso with +21, others are single digits


He will never win 6th Man of the Year because he doesn't score a lot, but he may well be the most important 6th man in the league.
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Post#124 » by detlef_schrempf » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:06 am

I’m surprised to see lots of posts complaining about the Bulls giving up a big first half lead.

We haven’t had a good team in years so I feel like you guys don’t realize….it’s common in today’s NBA for most teams to go on runs when they are down. There’s a lot of offensive talent on a lot of teams.

We’ve done a good job weathering the storm despite giving up a lot of big leads this year. But for the first time in a long time we are good enough to get leads like that - a lot.
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Post#125 » by Mr. Tibbs » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:07 am

Also possibly an obviousville observation, but has there been a more entertaining viewing experience for a "role player" than Caruso? I don't know that I've enjoyed anyone this much since like Nate Robinson (for very different reasons) or Jimmy Butler's breakout season.
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Post#126 » by pipfan » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:15 am

Watching this game, are we a JGrant/HBarnes away from being a contender? A real PF like that, to match up with KD, Giannis, Tatum, Randle in the playoffs and I think we could get to the Finals.
Are we willing to send PWill for that? PWill/CWhite/TBrown for Grant or Barnes?
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Post#127 » by Chi town » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:17 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:
TheFinishSniper wrote:Yes, yes yes. I have no issues with Bulls playing close basketball. But I have issue where you 98% put team out misery and you allow them somehow someway to crawl back and almost beat you. Thank God we won. Because I hate losing games you won.



I realized today. They're still learning how to put teams away.

Vooch's ascension will help that. Coby's hopeful spark will help that also.

I thought well before the game we'd blow them out. Unfortunately, they blew the lead but still won. I figured, by their point differential atleast. Right again.

We're not dominant yet, but we're going to be.


We aren’t dominant because Lavine and DDR still take plays off and made dumb turnovers that compound and we lose our leads.

If we had more talent we could overcome event that but no PW and Coby doesn’t help.
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Post#128 » by Ice Man » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:18 am

Mr. Tibbs wrote:Also possibly an obviousville observation, but has there been a more entertaining viewing experience for a "role player" than Caruso?


I agree. It's not just that he's good, it's also that the game becomes more entertaining once he steps on the floor.
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Re: PG:New York Minute 

Post#129 » by The Force. » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:18 am

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:The way our half court offense screeches to a halt when the defense clamps down is concerning. It’s a pattern. Once the opposing defense intensifies, we just stagnate and rely on DDR/Zach isos, and too often the rest of the team is just standing around watching. Then if we turn the ball over and they score, we’re 28th in the league in offense off a made basket, as Mike Breen said during the game.

I’m glad we won, it’s great to see our big three(especially Vuc) playing so well again, and it’s a good sign we were able to weather the storm, but this is something to continue watching going forward.

The offense will definitely be an issue in the playoffs. Outside of our big three, there isn’t anyone who can create their own shot. And besides Lonzo we really don’t have any reliable spot up shooters.

This is why Coby, despite his lackluster play, is so vital to the team.


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Post#130 » by panthermark » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:19 am

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Post#131 » by weneeda2guard » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:21 am

detlef_schrempf wrote:I’m surprised to see lots of posts complaining about the Bulls giving up a big first half lead.

We haven’t had a good team in years so I feel like you guys don’t realize….it’s common in today’s NBA for most teams to go on runs when they are down. There’s a lot of offensive talent on a lot of teams.

We’ve done a good job weathering the storm despite giving up a lot of big leads this year. But for the first time in a long time we are good enough to get leads like that - a lot.


Alot of teams blow big leads. Happens almost every night actually

However I do think we seriously need to look to add a couple scorers off the bench. A solid 2nd unit would help maintain and or build leads while the starters rest. We had our starters doing a lot of carrying tonight. Love caruso but I'm sorry he has to give more than 6 pts.
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Post#132 » by kulaz3000 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:26 am

Right now, DeMar is not only the leader of this team, but he is our best player - which I'm at odds with. I mean it's great that we have him on our team, but it's also glaringly clear that Zach isn't ready to be the best player on a winning team, not just yet.

The hope is that by the time that DeMar is on his last season of his contract, Zach has overleapt him as the best player, because it's almost a foregone conclusion now that Zach is going to get the max contract, but as of right now, he would be a max player based on potential of being a max player and eventually being the best player on the court.

With the way that Zach talks about DeMar, it's almost like he has conceded that DeMar is the go-to-player down the stretch and that DeMar is the player the team goes to, to keep things down, stay composed and make the right decisions down the stretch. Again, it's not a bad thing, for a player who has only known losing in the NBA, it's surely going to take some adjustment and experience for Zach to be a winning player and a leader, but it's evident that he isn't quite there yet.

Really, the DeMar signing has been such a huge blessing for this franchise, after much scepticism coming from the signing, it has done wonders for the team, and hopefully Zach in the long run, because there is so much he could learn from him and I don't doubt he does.
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Post#133 » by kulaz3000 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:28 am

Ice Man wrote:
RSP83 wrote:Btw, Caruso with +21, others are single digits


He will never win 6th Man of the Year because he doesn't score a lot, but he may well be the most important 6th man in the league.


You're not wrong, but that would be stupid to not have him contending as the 6th man of the year, ESPECIALLY if he remains in the conversation as a first team all defensive player, which as of right now he should be.

That would be extremely sweet to be the 6th man of the year, as the main attribute being on the defensive end. Has that ever happened?!
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Re: PG:New York Minute 

Post#134 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:31 am

weneeda2guard wrote:
detlef_schrempf wrote:I’m surprised to see lots of posts complaining about the Bulls giving up a big first half lead.

We haven’t had a good team in years so I feel like you guys don’t realize….it’s common in today’s NBA for most teams to go on runs when they are down. There’s a lot of offensive talent on a lot of teams.

We’ve done a good job weathering the storm despite giving up a lot of big leads this year. But for the first time in a long time we are good enough to get leads like that - a lot.


Alot of teams blow big leads. Happens almost every night actually

However I do think we seriously need to look to add a couple scorers off the bench. A solid 2nd unit would help maintain and or build leads while the starters rest. We had our starters doing a lot of carrying tonight. Love caruso but I'm sorry he has to give more than 6 pts.


6rebs, 6asts, 6pts, 4stls .... +21

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Post#135 » by Almost Retired » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:32 am

t-time wrote:DD is quickly becoming one of my fav bulls ever. Just a pleasure to watch.


DDR is playing at a superstar level. He is far and away exceeding the expectations that I had for him after we signed him. I hope all the posters who graded the signing as too expensive enjoy their crow. His production, his clutch play in the waning minutes with the game on the line....overall he is playing the best basketball of his career. So far after @ 1/4 of the season he is our own MVP. The 3 headed monster is waking up with Vooch rounding into shape. AK for GM of the Year.
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Post#136 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:33 am

Dan Z wrote:I wish his shot was a bit better, but I'm glad the Bulls signed Caruso. What a great defender!


He does so much else that he when 3 is falling that’s just a bonus. You still don’t to leave him wide open though.
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Post#137 » by DASMACKDOWN » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:33 am

Ice Man wrote:
RSP83 wrote:Btw, Caruso with +21, others are single digits


He will never win 6th Man of the Year because he doesn't score a lot, but he may well be the most important 6th man in the league.


I think he is a lock for first team All nba defense.
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Post#138 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:36 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Caruso and Demar saved us in the 4th. Caruso made CLUTCH defense and Demar was amazing down the stretch and made clutch free throws.

But man we have to stop with these lapses. It happened against the Hornets, it happened here against the Knicks. We were up 18 and up 21 in these games and nearly blew them both.I understand teams go on runs but those runs shouldnt have happened like that.

I know its a win, but we need to figure that part out.


Happened again at Portland too and we lost. Glad we won, but I’m really over this forgetting how to play basketball at all for 6 minutes stuff. It need to be addressed ASAP.
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Post#139 » by RSP83 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:38 am

Mr. Tibbs wrote:Also possibly an obviousville observation, but has there been a more entertaining viewing experience for a "role player" than Caruso? I don't know that I've enjoyed anyone this much since like Nate Robinson (for very different reasons) or Jimmy Butler's breakout season.


Was having the same thought. Can't remember the last time I'm rooting for a bench player, not because of novelty stuff like Scalabrine, but because of how they impact the team.

a good defensive play especially in tight games is always more hype than big dunk, IMO. Just like that Noah play vs. Celtics where he ran down the court after a turnover a dunk. Was such a classic moment. And Caruso is a guy that has a tendency to pull something like this from game to game.
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Post#140 » by RSP83 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:40 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:
Ice Man wrote:
RSP83 wrote:Btw, Caruso with +21, others are single digits


He will never win 6th Man of the Year because he doesn't score a lot, but he may well be the most important 6th man in the league.


I think he is a lock for first team All nba defense.


If he finish the season remain as Steal leader, he should be one of the frontrunners for DPOY, IMO. I mean c'mon, the impact he's having on our defense is almost Rodman-esque.

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