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Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC

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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#121 » by madvillian » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:27 pm

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This is great news on the medical front - the fact they're confident that there's no structural issues. This means that Lavine probably won't need an arthroscopy for a diagnosis.

I guess just rest up and see if the swelling can be managed moving forward.


Who can forget Joakim's "routine scope" that turned into the beginning of the end for him as an impact player. Really hoping that Zach's knee is just sore from the usual wear and tear of being a pro athlete playing on a surgical reconstruction.

Hopefully the swelling and pain goes down quite a bit with rest, otherwise whatever the MRI is telling them isn't the entire story. For now I think we can be cautiously optimistic.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#122 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:41 pm

Apparently it’s locking and clicking. I can’t make sense of that, other than I’m sure a lot of us have experienced that too. I just honestly cannot stomach an injury. This is too painful as a fan.

FWIW when I experienced this, I was told by my PT it’s probably coming from the back injury I was rehabbing. So there’s that? Idk what’s worse.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#123 » by umfan83 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:13 pm

Google search of "tightness and clicking in knee" and found this:

What are the possible causes of clicking and catching of the knee?
• Cavitation. Sometimes the noise you hear is due to tiny air bubbles inside the joint fluid, which build up with changes in the joint pressure. When the bubbles burst, this is called cavitation. Cavitation is typically something that is not worrisome – as long as it is unaccompanied by other symptoms (like swelling or severe pain).

• Ligaments and tendons. Another possible cause of clicking and catching of the knee is when the ligaments and tendons catch as they go over a bony lump – and pop as they snap back into place. Like cavitation, this is also not considered to be a serious problem if unaccompanied by other symptoms.

• Soft tissue. Clicking (and popping) may also be caused by the catching on soft tissue or scar tissue within the knee. Most of the time, these noises are natural and do not necessarily mean that you’ll develop other issues (including arthritis).

• Meniscus tear. If you feel some pain as the clicking/popping occurs, it could be a sign of a meniscus tear, which means there is a small piece of loose cartilage caught in the knee. Treatment for a torn meniscus commonly includes rest, pain relievers and physical therapy. Less commonly, surgery may be required.

• Osteoarthritis. If you’re experiencing painful and persistent clicking/popping, it could indicate osteoarthritis, in which the smooth cartilage has worn down and the bones cause friction when they rub against one another.

• Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome. Another common problem that results in the clicking and catching of the knee is roughness on the undersurface of the patella, which is also referred to as “runner’s knee.” With this syndrome, you may often feel the popping, grinding, clicking or crunching more than you can hear it.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#124 » by ShouldaPaidBG » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:22 pm

I've had a clicky knee that went away after they cleared some BS out of there. To throw my anecdotal hat in there.

I think Zach is experiencing slight discomfort and just needs a couple weeks of rest. He'll be able to play out the season and then do a full scope in the offseason. Zach keeps himself in great shape so I doubt it's strength/fitness related. This is the first issue he's had in the knee since he came back when we first debuted for us.

I think the Olympic stint threw off his normal recovery/workout offseason cycle - the one that turned him into an all star caliber player. A guy with a prior ACL tear needs to be extra careful with their workout consistency and overall fitness. I think his thrown off summer routine is the root of these issues, and they can be reconciled with a return to normalcy. I think the move with him is take a month off (or whatever the best balance between rest time/sharpness is), do the playoff run, and get back his normal offseason horse.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#125 » by Jello Biafra » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:58 pm

ShouldaPaidBG wrote:I've had a clicky knee that went away after they cleared some BS out of there. To throw my anecdotal hat in there.

I think Zach is experiencing slight discomfort and just needs a couple weeks of rest. He'll be able to play out the season and then do a full scope in the offseason. Zach keeps himself in great shape so I doubt it's strength/fitness related. This is the first issue he's had in the knee since he came back when we first debuted for us.

I think the Olympic stint threw off his normal recovery/workout offseason cycle - the one that turned him into an all star caliber player. A guy with a prior ACL tear needs to be extra careful with their workout consistency and overall fitness. I think his thrown off summer routine is the root of these issues, and they can be reconciled with a return to normalcy. I think the move with him is take a month off (or whatever the best balance between rest time/sharpness is), do the playoff run, and get back his normal offseason horse.


Zach is like an italian sports car. He is fantastic when he is running but spends a lot of time in the shop. His games played per season since joining the Bulls are 24, 63, 60, 58 and 47 so far this year. Not his fault but I guess you can count on him missing about a fourth of the season from jump. Hopefully DDR will continue to be durable.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

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Post#127 » by Ctownbulls » Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:57 am

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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#128 » by umfan83 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:33 am

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I’m not sure what this means. Were people speculating that LaVine and his agency were doing this against the Bulls will? And if they were why does Chip Schaefer being there mean that the Bulls Ok’d it? They could have been firmly against the move but since Zach insisted they decided to send Schaefer out with him to represent the Bulls and/or discuss their previous findings with the doctors in LA.
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Post#129 » by WestsideResider » Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:24 am

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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#130 » by FriedRise » Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:19 pm

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Guess he got good news


Either he’s hopeful to get good news, or he did get good news.

Don’t think he would’ve posted that if it was bad.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#132 » by RagingBull316 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:45 pm

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ShouldaPaidBG wrote:I've had a clicky knee that went away after they cleared some BS out of there. To throw my anecdotal hat in there.

I think Zach is experiencing slight discomfort and just needs a couple weeks of rest. He'll be able to play out the season and then do a full scope in the offseason. Zach keeps himself in great shape so I doubt it's strength/fitness related. This is the first issue he's had in the knee since he came back when we first debuted for us.

I think the Olympic stint threw off his normal recovery/workout offseason cycle - the one that turned him into an all star caliber player. A guy with a prior ACL tear needs to be extra careful with their workout consistency and overall fitness. I think his thrown off summer routine is the root of these issues, and they can be reconciled with a return to normalcy. I think the move with him is take a month off (or whatever the best balance between rest time/sharpness is), do the playoff run, and get back his normal offseason horse.


Zach is like an italian sports car. He is fantastic when he is running but spends a lot of time in the shop. His games played per season since joining the Bulls are 24, 63, 60, 58 and 47 so far this year. Not his fault but I guess you can count on him missing about a fourth of the season from jump. Hopefully DDR will continue to be durable.
That's kind of unfair to him, two of those seasons were shortened seasons and he has been in Covid protocols the past two seasons, so not really injury related.

In the previous season's the Bulls were trying to tank and Him, Lauri and others were shut down with "injuries" for the final handful of games.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#133 » by VolumePoster » Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:33 pm

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I facepalm so hard whenever an internet docs sidles into the spotlight to offer a diagnosis over twitter. Just stop, man. You are not on the treatment team. You did not review the MRI. You did not perform the physical, or obtain the history.

Sounds like it, eh? Good thing medical diagnoses follow logically from our original assumptions and observations. Only experienced practitioners have learnt that lesson!
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#134 » by MalagaBulls » Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:35 pm

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I facepalm so hard whenever an internet docs sidles into the spotlight to offer a diagnosis over twitter. Just stop, man. You are not on the treatment team. You did not review the MRI. You did not perform the physical, or obtain the history.

Sounds like it, eh? Good thing medical diagnoses follow logically from our original assumptions and observations. Only experienced practitioners have learnt that lesson!
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#135 » by BeatDaCavs420 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:54 pm

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Guess he got good news

Last time he got good news he posted something like this too...So hopefully it's a good sign!
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#136 » by khufure » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:50 pm

I remember MJ & Scottie always icing up their knees. Guess Zach is gonna be doing the same now.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#137 » by erlim » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:12 pm

khufure wrote:I remember MJ & Scottie always icing up their knees. Guess Zach is gonna be doing the same now.


Wow I totally forgot about that, Longley too. I haven’t seen any NBA players do that in the modern game.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#138 » by cool007 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:55 pm

Please hopefully it's nothing and he just needs rest - 1-2 weeks at most and be back for good and healthy for the rest of the season and playoffs.

That tweet from Lavine, makes me feel sigh of relief but still need confirmation.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#139 » by Ctownbulls » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:58 pm

It's crazy to me that he is even thinking about participating in all-star weekend.
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Re: Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC 

Post#140 » by terry » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:31 pm

Ctownbulls wrote:It's crazy to me that he is even thinking about participating in all-star weekend.


Yeah why hasn't it been announced yet that he's out for the All star game? Because at least Vooch could have a chance to replace him lol

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