Bulls trade Alex Caruso to OKC for Josh Giddey

[jacoby1us]

An offender for a defender.

you win the the thread

By far the funniest post on this thread!

[nomorezorro]

Makes me think they may well waive Lonzo or seek medical retirement.

envisioning the worst possible offseason in the wake of this move:

-waive and stretch lonzo instead of just taking the lump this year
-re-sign derozan to a 3 year, $90 million deal
-re-sign patrick williams to a 4 year, $100 million deal
-salary dump lavine to facilitate the above deals; get no picks or meaningful assets back in return
-draft kyle filipowski as a "pro ready rotation big who can space the floor"

[Jcool0]

Read on Twitter

[GoBlue72391]

Read on Twitter

Should be in jail? Yikes.

What a garbage post.

Me or the tweet? What exactly did he do? Dated a girl 2 to 4 years younger than him? How big is the actual age gap? I don't know a lot about the situation and Google isn't clear on the girl's current age.

[jnrjr79]

Why would we assume that Giddey starts? He very well may play off the bench.

Yeah, zero percent change of this happening, at least to start the season, IMO.

That's equivalent to saying that there is zero chance that Zach remains on our roster, which I jave a very hard time believing.

If we don't flip Giddey, I'm guessing he plays "point forward" to lead the bench unit. Both because that will probably help us most next year, and cause it will depress his value going into RFA next summer.

Definitely increases the chance that Patrick is traded IMO.

There is a roughly a zero percent chance of Zach being on the roster.

Giddey was brought in to be the starting PG.

[League Circles]

I've never watched this guy, but on highlights he looks like a homeless man's Luka who can't shoot. But still, a homeless man's Luka is something.

I see him as the primary ball handler with the 2nd team playing 20 mpg.

[MissileMike]

I'm very surprised by all the negative reactions in here. I like the trade for the Bulls... An expiring 30-year-old for a talented 21-year-old? Without the off-court issues, this trade never happens.

[League Circles]

Yeah, zero percent change of this happening, at least to start the season, IMO.

That's equivalent to saying that there is zero chance that Zach remains on our roster, which I jave a very hard time believing.

If we don't flip Giddey, I'm guessing he plays "point forward" to lead the bench unit. Both because that will probably help us most next year, and cause it will depress his value going into RFA next summer.

Definitely increases the chance that Patrick is traded IMO.

There is a roughly a zero percent chance of Zach being on the roster.

Giddey was brought in to be the starting PG.

Can he defend other PGs? Sure doesn't look quick enough to me. If he plays "point" for us I bet it's from the 4 position.

[DuckIII]

Where are the draft assets?
AC is a back to back All-NBA Defense, where is the rest of the complensation especially with Giddey's value being so low with his off the court situation last season.

We have the most incompetent management in the NBA besides the **** show in Detroit.

You think Bulls get a young starter and a pick for Caruso? Lol

I have to admit its a little curious seeing a board that generally was so opposed to trading this guy at multiple trade deadlines when he had far superior value, frustrated that his value is now lower when by every objective way a GM would look at it, it absolutely should be lower. This was all 100% predictable.

In an oddity for me, my grade on this transaction if you ignore letting AC's value rot on the vine for two years first, is a B+ in real time. Its better than I thought we'd get. Not by a lot. But better. So, kudos to AK? Feels wrong saying that since on the whole he still blew the AC situation.

[Ccwatercraft]

I'm sure this trade would be viewed differently if Giddey was never involved with that minor, but it doesn't change the fact that we're trading one of our best assets for a guy at his lowest trade value and aren't getting any sweeteners. For a team that's loaded with picks this is unacceptable.

We just traded away our best asset for a guy that on a good team is a backup guard. What are we doing? We're running in place but everybody else is actually running and we'll struggle to win 40 games again with this crap.

It's just more of the same crap. The same crap we've seen since AKME took over. There's no plan, they just make isolated move after isolated move and hope at the end of the day the **** they threw at the wall turns into a a Picasso.

Giddy started 80 games for okc.

Last I checked, they were a good team.

[Jcool0]

Read on Twitter

Should be in jail? Yikes.

What a garbage post.

Why does anyone follow that guy? He is the worst.

[jnrjr79]

We'll only know that once we see what happens with DDR.

AK might think of Giddey as a Lonzo replace and not so much as a youth movement.

Woj specifically said in one of his tweets that he was viewed as a replacement for the Lonzo playmaking they’ve been missing.

Makes me think they may well waive Lonzo or seek medical retirement.

They can try to seek medical retirement, but my guess is Lonzo wants to play and will make an attempt to do so before they can go in that direction.

Waive him...do you mean stretch out his salary? That would be a terrible move IMO. I guess that means AK will probably do it! haha. Sigh.

Lonzo isn’t even doing 5 on 5 regularly, so I have no idea if he’d pass a medical exam, but yep, it’s super uncertain that you could do it.

And yes, I mean waive and stretch, which I have noted in other threads would be foolish, but that makes me think AK will do it!

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Makes me think they may well waive Lonzo or seek medical retirement.

envisioning the worst possible offseason in the wake of this move:

-waive and stretch lonzo instead of just taking the lump this year
-re-sign derozan to a 3 year, $90 million deal
-re-sign patrick williams to a 4 year, $100 million deal
-salary dump lavine to facilitate the above deals; get no picks or meaningful assets back in return
-draft kyle filipowski as a "pro ready rotation big who can space the floor"

Scary how realistic this is.

[madvillian]

I've never watched this guy, but on highlights he looks like a homeless man's Luka who can't shoot. But still, a homeless man's Luka is something.

I see him as the primary ball handler with the 2nd team playing 20 mpg.

he's nothing like luka homless man's version of not. he gets hassled off the ball frequently. A lot of times OKC was not comfie with him as the primary handler.

this trade makes zero sense unless we're just going full tear down. but i think the franchise believes they can win 40 games around a Giddey/Vuc/Pat/Coby/Demar team.

They are fools if they believe that is anything worth aspiring to.

[Kurt Heimlich]

What is GIddey good at? He's pretty tall (with Jimmy G arms) and I guess is a decent ball handler/passing vision for the size? And I guess being his age 22 season is a plus? I'll try and find ways to convince myself there is upside here as I'm a glutton for punishment from this franchise.

[HoopsterJones]

I mean, they couldn’t get OKC to throw in one of their many FRPs? WTF AKME.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Should be in jail? Yikes.

What a garbage post.

Me or the tweet? What exactly did he do? Dated a girl 2 to 4 years younger than him? How big is the actual age gap? I don't know a lot about the situation and Google isn't clear on the girl's current age.

The tweet.

From what I've read during the big thread on the GB, Giddey was 19, and the girl he met was 16-17 with a fake ID in a club where you had to be +18 to enter. We have no idea where the relationship went. He was proven innocent, and we have fans calling him a pedo/groomer. Garbage.

[thelead]

Maybe this signals an actual rebuild? I’m hoping for you guys anyway

[kodo]

I actually really like Giddey, not being able to compete with SGA as the primary on-ball guy is something 98% of the league would fail at. Per 36 Giddey has been for 2 years now 18-19 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists. Shaky 3P shooting, but a 21 year old triple double guy with 40% 3P shooting isn't being traded for Caruso.

I don't hate it, which is saying a lot for an AK move.

Speculation: maybe there was another trade for Caruso with a pick coming back, but Caruso vastly preferred going to OKC over other teams. Sometimes FOs take a worse deal if they really like the player and want them in a good situation. Maybe the other destination was Detroit.

[LateNight]

This thread on giddey is terrifying: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/18ed0c0/serious_what_value_does_josh_giddey_have/

What's so terrifying?

“Ben Simmons, minus the defense”

“He’s a player that needs the ball in his hands to be effective but isn’t an efficient scorer and can’t beat his man or create advantage, add the fact that he’s awful on defense”

“too big and slow for quicker players yet is too small and soft for bigger players. He's not athletic enough to be a disruptive help defender, provides no rim protection”

“he needs to learn to be good without the ball in his hands”