DuckIII wrote:League Circles wrote:DuckIII wrote:3. I think - I might be wrong - most people are not concerned with Giddey being on the Bulls as a general proposition. The concern is at what cost and in what role? There are a few posters who just flat out hate Giddey. But I think most think he'd made a fine 6th-7th man at a reasonable price reflecting that role.
To this last point, I also agree he could be a good bench leader type and occasionally provide a change of pace when a starting unit offense is struggling, but because the Bulls have no clear identifiable core pieces (top 3 guys on a contender), I think even if we could sign Giddey to a long term fair 6th man type deal, which I doubt we can, I doubt I'd want to because it puts the cart before the horse. Teams can't be doing long term commitments to non core guys when they suck and don't have those core guys already IMO. Only way I'd currently want to keep Giddey is to play a 6th man role but at like 9th man money, if that makes sense.
One of the things I noted earlier in the thread is that I would overpay Giddey to take a two year deal, assuming we are able to shed the veteran salaries we are trying to shed. That would permit us to evaluate him in a better context with no real long term risk. Its an option I could live with.
This sounds a lot more reasonable. My thought is there's no way at this present point to even evaluate his defense fairly, moving into an entirely new defensive system is not easy for young players. Having Vuc as the last line of defense makes it even worse, half of defense nowadays is forcing your defense into the help defense, not just staying in front of him. I keep seeing him playing in the NBa for 4 years basically means we should ignore his age, which doesn't make sense. NBA experience is great, but skills are learned over time and in practice, probably far more than 20-30 minutes of game time. That's when you use the skills, not learn them. His skill level should be compared to other 22 year olds, not just other 4 year vets. There are skills learned playing 2-4 years in college too.
It's just odd that people seem to think he's peaked already when he hasn't even come close to his physical peak yet, yet alone skill peak. If he had been putting up 8, 4, and 4 with bad defense for four years, I'd understand more, but he's put up some pretty impressive numbers, regardless of position. There are more efficient players putting up that 8, 4, and 4 with good defense, are they really more valuable? Especially long-term. Again, his defense, especially if he changes positions, is almost certainly going to be better than it is now. His offensive skills will almost inevitably improve as well, he's barely an adult. If we had judged Coby on his age 22 year, he might not be here. Most people here would definitely been against him getting mid-level. They would have been wrong. He's probably WORSE guarding 6'8 players than Giddey is guarding smaller players, lol. I know in todays NBA PF's are supposed to be able to guard point guards, but that's usually going to be a problem, and vice versa.
