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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#121 » by 2weekswithpay » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:51 am

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2weekswithpay wrote:I think someone here already said it, but Ousmane Dieng would be another solid buy low opportunity. He's too good for the G-League but not good enough to crack OKC's rotation. OKC has potentially two FRPs in the upcoming draft, are 10M below the tax line, and already have 15 guys on the roster for next season. It might be in OKC's best interest to dump him and we could acquire him by using half of our MLE.


That wouldn't bother me. Our problem will be finding a roster spot.


If needed, we can just cut Carter. One year at 6.8M wouldn't hurt us much.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#122 » by Muzbar » Thu Apr 3, 2025 3:04 am

2weekswithpay wrote:I think someone here already said it, but Ousmane Dieng would be another solid buy low opportunity. He's too good for the G-League but not good enough to crack OKC's rotation. OKC has potentially two FRPs in the upcoming draft, are 10M below the tax line, and already have 15 guys on the roster for next season. It might be in OKC's best interest to dump him and we could acquire him by using half of our MLE.


I mentioned him earlier. I was told we don't need him (along with the other players I mentioned).

I think he'd be a solid pick up for the right price. Could be another hidden OKC gem.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#123 » by Dan Z » Thu Apr 3, 2025 3:38 am

Muzbar wrote:
2weekswithpay wrote:I think someone here already said it, but Ousmane Dieng would be another solid buy low opportunity. He's too good for the G-League but not good enough to crack OKC's rotation. OKC has potentially two FRPs in the upcoming draft, are 10M below the tax line, and already have 15 guys on the roster for next season. It might be in OKC's best interest to dump him and we could acquire him by using half of our MLE.


I mentioned him earlier. I was told we don't need him (along with the other players I mentioned).

I think he'd be a solid pick up for the right price. Could be another hidden OKC gem.


Before we traded Caruso I thought Dieng was someone the Bulls should've asked about (plus picks...picks being the main part).

Now...I'm not sure what OKC would want from the Bulls. Picks? Maybe, but they have so many of them. A player? Who?

He's an interesting idea.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#124 » by 2weekswithpay » Thu Apr 3, 2025 4:04 am

Muzbar wrote:
2weekswithpay wrote:I think someone here already said it, but Ousmane Dieng would be another solid buy low opportunity. He's too good for the G-League but not good enough to crack OKC's rotation. OKC has potentially two FRPs in the upcoming draft, are 10M below the tax line, and already have 15 guys on the roster for next season. It might be in OKC's best interest to dump him and we could acquire him by using half of our MLE.


I mentioned him earlier. I was told we don't need him (along with the other players I mentioned).

I think he'd be a solid pick up for the right price. Could be another hidden OKC gem.


We aren't good enough to have that kind of thinking, and with how Zach Collins and Huerter have played, the value of buying low should be evident. The other teams do it all the time.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#125 » by Donkedave » Thu Apr 3, 2025 8:18 am

Muzbar wrote:
2weekswithpay wrote:I think someone here already said it, but Ousmane Dieng would be another solid buy low opportunity. He's too good for the G-League but not good enough to crack OKC's rotation. OKC has potentially two FRPs in the upcoming draft, are 10M below the tax line, and already have 15 guys on the roster for next season. It might be in OKC's best interest to dump him and we could acquire him by using half of our MLE.


I mentioned him earlier. I was told we don't need him (along with the other players I mentioned).

I think he'd be a solid pick up for the right price. Could be another hidden OKC gem.


What be the value on him you think?
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#126 » by Muzbar » Thu Apr 3, 2025 8:37 am

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Muzbar wrote:
2weekswithpay wrote:I think someone here already said it, but Ousmane Dieng would be another solid buy low opportunity. He's too good for the G-League but not good enough to crack OKC's rotation. OKC has potentially two FRPs in the upcoming draft, are 10M below the tax line, and already have 15 guys on the roster for next season. It might be in OKC's best interest to dump him and we could acquire him by using half of our MLE.


I mentioned him earlier. I was told we don't need him (along with the other players I mentioned).

I think he'd be a solid pick up for the right price. Could be another hidden OKC gem.


What be the value on him you think?

Why did I read that as a pirate?

I'm not sure on his value, maybe Ayo is enough? But they probably have too many guards as it is. I'm not sure I'd give up a first if I could avoid it.

If you can get away with a few 2nds that would be good, OKC is going to run out of roster spots sooner or later.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#127 » by sco » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:44 pm

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Donkedave wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I mentioned him earlier. I was told we don't need him (along with the other players I mentioned).

I think he'd be a solid pick up for the right price. Could be another hidden OKC gem.


What be the value on him you think?

Why did I read that as a pirate?

I'm not sure on his value, maybe Ayo is enough? But they probably have too many guards as it is. I'm not sure I'd give up a first if I could avoid it.

If you can get away with a few 2nds that would be good, OKC is going to run out of roster spots sooner or later.

A straight-up deal for Ayo would be fine. To free-up a roster spot, maybe we add Phillips.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#128 » by boozapalooza » Thu Apr 3, 2025 9:06 pm

What does Memphis say if we call up with the following offer:

Ja for Coby, Lonzo, & our 2025 1st?

Maybe they hang up the phone or maybe they want to move on from Ja and give it some thought. People forget Coby & Ja are the same age. Sure Ja has the higher ceiling but Coby has been able to stay on the floor more consistently and shown promise, especially without Zach. Taking games played into account, its not at all a stretch to say Coby has had the better season this year.

Not as important but Memphis also expressed Lonzo interest at the deadline.

The proposal might not be as far off as people think.

Also wonder if we actually could work up a reasonable offer for Zion.

I think Ja and Zion will be far more available this offseason than people think, and we should offer anyone except Matas in a deal. Some times a change of scenery is best case for a young guy and Ja and Zion are definitely in that camp.

The new CBA will force teams to make superstar players available if they arent willing to commit $200-300M+ guaranteed to them, as seen with the Luka trade.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#129 » by Dez » Thu Apr 3, 2025 10:32 pm

boozapalooza wrote:What does Memphis say if we call up with the following offer:

Ja for Coby, Lonzo, & our 2025 1st?

Maybe they hang up the phone or maybe they want to move on from Ja and give it some thought. People forget Coby & Ja are the same age. Sure Ja has the higher ceiling but Coby has been able to stay on the floor more consistently and shown promise, especially without Zach. Taking games played into account, its not at all a stretch to say Coby has had the better season this year.

Not as important but Memphis also expressed Lonzo interest at the deadline.

The proposal might not be as far off as people think.

Also wonder if we actually could work up a reasonable offer for Zion.

I think Ja and Zion will be far more available this offseason than people think, and we should offer anyone except Matas in a deal. Some times a change of scenery is best case for a young guy and Ja and Zion are definitely in that camp.

The new CBA will force teams to make superstar players available if they arent willing to commit $200-300M+ guaranteed to them, as seen with the Luka trade.


Memphis hang up the phone, set it on fire and piss on the ashes.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#130 » by DropStep » Fri Apr 4, 2025 1:33 am

Mmm... I don't think they set the phone on fire. There's a reason they just fired their coach. They may not bite, but they will listen.

Ja games per season: 67, 63, 57, 61, 9, 46 (with 6 games left). So he's played enough games to qualify for all-NBA once, in his rookie year.
3P%: 0.335, 0.303, 0.344, 0.307, 0.275, 0.300
3PA: 2.7, 3.8, 4.5, 4.9, 5.7, 5.4
eFG%: 0.509, 0.487, 0.53, 0.504, 0.512, 0.500
FTA: 3.6, 4.3, 5.5, 6.1, 5.8, 5.3
PPG: 17.8, 19.1, 27.4, 26.2, 25.1, 22.7
Reb: 3.9, 4, 5.7, 5.9, 5.6, 4.2
Ast: 7.3, 7.4, 6.7, 8.1, 8.1, 7.4
Min: 31, 32.6, 33.1, 31.9, 35.3, 30.2

I don't know. If the Mavs don't want to pay Luka 300 million or whatever... do you want to pay Ja, and try to win a title with JJJ and Bane? It's not a no-brainer imo.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#131 » by Infinity2152 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 3:09 am

Ja is extremely talented, but has been warned twice in a week about doing "gun gestures" on the court. Wish the best for the young man, but he doesn't seem like the brightest guy and is risky in a different way than say Zion, but still pretty risky. Given he's already been suspended 8 games and 25 games for posting guns on social media, plus the drama with his dad, not hard to see why the Grizzlies would trade him. Not like he's on a super bargain contract, is the headache worth the talent, depending on what you can get back in trade? Will he be a good team leader, which a max/super max player needs to be?
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#132 » by pipfan » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:01 am

I like Dieng as a target as well
Dieng/#19 for JCarter/#10
We lose a useless salary and add a high potential 4 man (He and Matas would be a huge forward combo) to move back 9 spots
OKC can buy out Carter, and they move up in the draft
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#133 » by WesPeace » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:23 am

boozapalooza wrote:What does Memphis say if we call up with the following offer:

Ja for Coby, Lonzo, & our 2025 1st?

Maybe they hang up the phone or maybe they want to move on from Ja and give it some thought. People forget Coby & Ja are the same age. Sure Ja has the higher ceiling but Coby has been able to stay on the floor more consistently and shown promise, especially without Zach. Taking games played into account, its not at all a stretch to say Coby has had the better season this year.

Not as important but Memphis also expressed Lonzo interest at the deadline.

The proposal might not be as far off as people think.

Also wonder if we actually could work up a reasonable offer for Zion.

I think Ja and Zion will be far more available this offseason than people think, and we should offer anyone except Matas in a deal. Some times a change of scenery is best case for a young guy and Ja and Zion are definitely in that camp.

The new CBA will force teams to make superstar players available if they arent willing to commit $200-300M+ guaranteed to them, as seen with the Luka trade.


Ja and Giddey, why?? And just bad fit.. also Ja's character isnt really what I want on Bulls!
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#134 » by Donkedave » Fri Apr 4, 2025 8:08 am

Read on Twitter
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Interesting only 1 shot from the 3, just noting that for all those that will not trade or pick a player because they can’t/don't shoot 3’s at a healthy clip.

Can still get the job done from elsewhere.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#135 » by ChettheJet » Fri Apr 4, 2025 2:36 pm

You see numbers like that and he looks like the total team player. Fortunately they won against a depleted 76er team. If he would stay inside the arc, have the offense run through him and he took the shots in mismatches and when wide open he'd be a force. Somehow though he has that bit of Vucevic in him where he doesn't want to get shut out of taking the 3's, when one pass would get the job done when he could cut for the basket which is the norm and stat lines like this one stand out so much.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#136 » by 2weekswithpay » Fri Apr 4, 2025 3:26 pm

Donkedave wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=dHcsOpeadRPZpWFbJ5MgfQ

Interesting only 1 shot from the 3, just noting that for all those that will not trade or pick a player because they can’t/don't shoot 3’s at a healthy clip.

Can still get the job done from elsewhere.


The Demar Derozan effect. Getting to the rim like Giannis or Zion is way more valuable than a midrange-oriented offense.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#137 » by Chi town » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:07 pm

DropStep wrote:Mmm... I don't think they set the phone on fire. There's a reason they just fired their coach. They may not bite, but they will listen.

Ja games per season: 67, 63, 57, 61, 9, 46 (with 6 games left). So he's played enough games to qualify for all-NBA once, in his rookie year.
3P%: 0.335, 0.303, 0.344, 0.307, 0.275, 0.300
3PA: 2.7, 3.8, 4.5, 4.9, 5.7, 5.4
eFG%: 0.509, 0.487, 0.53, 0.504, 0.512, 0.500
FTA: 3.6, 4.3, 5.5, 6.1, 5.8, 5.3
PPG: 17.8, 19.1, 27.4, 26.2, 25.1, 22.7
Reb: 3.9, 4, 5.7, 5.9, 5.6, 4.2
Ast: 7.3, 7.4, 6.7, 8.1, 8.1, 7.4
Min: 31, 32.6, 33.1, 31.9, 35.3, 30.2

I don't know. If the Mavs don't want to pay Luka 300 million or whatever... do you want to pay Ja, and try to win a title with JJJ and Bane? It's not a no-brainer imo.


Ja is not good enough with JJJ and Bane as his sidekicks.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#138 » by 2weekswithpay » Mon Apr 7, 2025 6:05 pm

Ochai Agbaji would be a nice fit on the team. 10/4/2 on 50/39/70 shooting splits as a 3&D wing. The Raptors traded for him at the deadline last season, and with how expensive their team will be next season, an extension would push them into the tax for 2026-27. This would be a sell-high moment for them.

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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#139 » by sco » Mon Apr 7, 2025 6:08 pm

2weekswithpay wrote:Ochai Agbaji would be a nice fit on the team. 10/4/2 on 50/39/70 shooting splits as a 3&D wing. The Raptors traded for him at the deadline last season, and with how expensive their team will be next season, an extension would push them into the tax for 2026-27. This would be a sell-high moment for them.

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I like the kid, what deal do you think could get done from both sides?
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#140 » by 2weekswithpay » Mon Apr 7, 2025 6:40 pm

sco wrote:
2weekswithpay wrote:Ochai Agbaji would be a nice fit on the team. 10/4/2 on 50/39/70 shooting splits as a 3&D wing. The Raptors traded for him at the deadline last season, and with how expensive their team will be next season, an extension would push them into the tax for 2026-27. This would be a sell-high moment for them.

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I like the kid, what deal do you think could get done from both sides?


POR pick and matching salary seem fair for both sides. The Raptors traded a 2024 FRP to get him and Olynyk so they'd get back similar value. Maybe we can keep the POR pick but trade 3 seconds. (2029, 2030, and 2031)

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