PG: 1-2-3 Cancun

[NecessaryEvil]

Take whatever you can get for Coby.

Same for Vuc.

We need to keep throwing draft picks at athletic, two-way wing players until we find one who's really good.

Take what you can get for Coby?!?

That’s wild wtf

Giddey and Coby are not a winning backcourt. They're just too unathletic/defensively deficient. It's fine for the regular season.

Between the two players, I think Giddey has more upside, so I would pick him.

Those two won 15 out of their last 22 games starting though.

[NecessaryEvil]

Reward us? We already have 3 franchise players, remember?

Never said that

Quit being silly bro

You said Giddey is a franchise player and implied Coby and Matas are too, if not outright stated it.

Do me a favor and show me

Giddey had a historic game, never done before in history after putting up damn near a triple double since all-star. He did indeed look like a franchise player, he’s 22. I made the statement after such game.

Now, Where oh where did I state Matas and Coby were franchise players. You a real weirdo.

Coby has been here 5 yrs and just got to 20ppg in a season. He is obviously not a franchise player.

Matas is a 20 yr old kid that has shown flashes of greatness. Even if he isn’t a franchise guy, he is unlikely to be traded in the forseeable future.

Again, you a real weirdo. Don’t mistake my optimism for delusion.

[yifsuibfe1]

Kings already fired their GM lol

[GoBlue72391]

Never said that

Quit being silly bro

You said Giddey is a franchise player and implied Coby and Matas are too, if not outright stated it.

Do me a favor and show me

Giddey had a historic game, never done before in history after putting up damn near a triple double since all-star. He did indeed look like a franchise player, he’s 22. I made the statement after such game.

Now, Where oh where did I state Matas and Coby were franchise players. You a real weirdo.

Coby has been here 5 yrs and just got to 20ppg in a season. He is obviously not a franchise player.

Matas is a 20 yr old kid that has shown flashes of greatness. Even if he isn’t a franchise guy, he is unlikely to be traded in the forseeable future.

Again, you a real weirdo. Don’t mistake my optimism for delusion.

You said Coby is literally unstoppable and one of the best players in the league right now. One of the best players in the league who is literally unstoppable is surely a franchise player.

As for the bolded, I think that's exactly what I'm doing, but how are you gonna fault me for taking you at your word?

All you do is insult me despite me never insulting you. I'm a real weirdo for talking to you on a public message board lol. Last week I was a miserable sarcastic aszhole for daring to suggest that just handing over money to Coby and Giddey for whooping on injured tanking teams for a month and a half might not be the best idea.

We don't have any franchise players. It would be great if we did, but we don't. I like these guys, they're very good players, but none of them are worth max or near max contracts.

We're a long way from being relevant. If Coby and Giddey are the core, then you have no core. Don't compound that by giving them the bag and crippling the franchise for the next 5 years because they had a great month and a half.

[GoBlue72391]

Take what you can get for Coby?!?

That’s wild wtf

Giddey and Coby are not a winning backcourt. They're just too unathletic/defensively deficient. It's fine for the regular season.

Between the two players, I think Giddey has more upside, so I would pick him.

Those two won 15 out of their last 22 games starting though.

And got blown out in the only game that mattered.

[Dan Z]

Kings already fired their GM lol

That was fast. He screwed up by getting DDR and later Zach. I wonder if getting Zach was something he wanted to do or if ownership told him to do...?

[GoBlue72391]

Take whatever you can get for Coby.

Same for Vuc.

We need to keep throwing draft picks at athletic, two-way wing players until we find one who's really good.

Take what you can get for Coby?!?

That’s wild wtf

Giddey and Coby are not a winning backcourt. They're just too unathletic/defensively deficient. It's fine for the regular season.

Between the two players, I think Giddey has more upside, so I would pick him.

I think in an ideal world, Giddey is the 3rd best player on a contender and the 4th leading scorer. Coby is the 3rd scorer as the 5th starter or 1st guy off the bench.

In our situation we would have to put elite defenders around them, but that's not likely to happen.

[RSP83]

Kings already fired their GM lol

That was fast. He screwed up by getting DDR and later Zach. I wonder if getting Zach was something he wanted to do or if ownership told him to do...?

Yeah, really weird move by McNair by signing DeMar then trade for Zach despite 4 years of data about the pair.

[Indomitable]

Kings already fired their GM lol

Their owner for all his faults cares. The Bulls are nothing but a money tree to Reinsdorf.

[Dan Z]

Kings already fired their GM lol

That was fast. He screwed up by getting DDR and later Zach. I wonder if getting Zach was something he wanted to do or if ownership told him to do...?

Yeah, really weird move by McNair by signing DeMar then trade for Zach despite 4 years of data about the pair.

This just reminded me...I wish the Bull has taken the 2031 swap with the Kings (along with Barnes) instead of getting SA involved in the deal.

However, if the Bulls took on Barnes would it effect any other moves going forward (because of his salary...I primarily mean the Zach trade)?

[eierluke]

This game had been a total disappointment, but let us try not to judge not everything as black or white.
We overall have a relative young roster, we further do have some young players. Their future outlook depends on
1) talent
2) will to improve
3) surrounding of the franchise, which could actively help or hinder further improvement (head coach, special assistend coaches, ... goes further until nutrionist, ...)
Matas is a rookie, who apparently has talent and will. Giddey even though in the NBA for some years is still young and if he really wants to, he should be able to improve.
White is on and off and everybody else is supporting cast.

The good thing is that, many contracts are running out in 2026 and we still have one more year to evaluate White and all the other guys with ending contracts (Huerter, Collins, Terry, Phillips and Vucevic Ball and Carters contracts end as well to 26)
We have 2 relatively young players (Ayo, and Smith) on reliable short term (27) contracts. (Just finding a parking spot where PWill does not disturb will be difficult).
Overall this could be a good situation to build upon: Giddey and Matas, one more year to evaluate White, ayo and Smith on reliable short term contracts , yes 18 + mio anually wasted on PWill, but a lot of upcoming cap space.

So theory looks bright, but the bad thing is I still don't trust AKME and we have a mediocre coach. Superstar free agents want to join top coaches.

[Jeffster81]

This is the kind of performance that should relief BD of his job but it won't and the Bulls will continue on this treadmill of mediocrity.

[WesPeace]

I think the net positive is that the Bulls don't get over invested in this late season run. To me, the initial moves are clear...

1. Drop Vuc. You can't have a Giddey/Coby backcourt with Vuc at the 5. It's a disaster. He's not a starter anymore.

2. Trade Ayo or Ball. People are rushing to trade Coby, and I'd like to garner his value, but if you're sticking with Giddey, Coby is the best match on the roster. Perhaps more importantly, Ayo and Ball are not great fits.

3. Get bigger and more physical. The Bulls need a new PF and Center. Matas is a 3/4 but i like to imagine the Bulls as a big, running team and having Matas play 3 i think unlocks things.

Build through the draft, try to get more young undervalued guys like Giddey and Jones, and take your time. Don't make the mistake you did with Vuc and Demar.

Giddey and White are just bad for serious games, hard nosed playoff games.. they are maybe the worst defensive backcourt duo in the league and when also offensive doesnt go,its trainwreck to watch.
We need better defender alongside Giddey, period. I dont mind White as 6th man plug in scorer, but when shots arent falling he is almost useless, he aint good passer, he aint good defender, rebounder.. makes low IQ plays in a row.

We need Defense badly! New coach, new defensive center, new SG/SF starters who can play twoway basketball. Only Giddey and Matas should be fix for next season starting!

[WesPeace]

Giddey and Coby are not a winning backcourt. They're just too unathletic/defensively deficient. It's fine for the regular season.

Between the two players, I think Giddey has more upside, so I would pick him.

Well...Kyrie + Luka is a defensively worse backcourt, and they got to the Finals. Luka is significantly worse than anyone on the Bulls.
What happens on the P&R is the guard is screened off and the C has the bulk of the responsibility for preventing a score from the ballhandler, same as it was Jo's job to stop the P&R not Derrick's. Dallas got to the Finals because they had Gafford + Lively, Luka's atrocious D didn't stop them. Murray is also a terrible defender.

I mean it's 4Q, elimination game, Herro is going off all game mostly inside, and who the heck is Vuc even guarding on this possession where Herro gets a layup at the rim? His man Bam is by the 3P line but Vuc isn't there, and Vuc is nowhere near the rim either. He's guarding a space on the floor with no Heat player.



2 minutes earlier, Herro gets another shot at the restricted area 2' from the rim, Vuc doesn't even get a hand up he's just watching Herro shoot.



Vuc reminds me of when reporters asked Skiles what Eddy Curry could do to improve his rebounding. "Jump."

Yeah, Luka and Kyrie are both bad on D, but also they are few levels above Giddey and White as players. They are franchise players.. we have currently one starter level player and one 6th man level player and also being bad on D. Still big difference..

But when you combine that with bad defense C and unprepared coach for playoff match, then you get even in worse sh**hole lol

[samwana]

We have seen this so often, maybe our players aren't as good as we wish they are. But every time they go in these playin games they are unprepared, get schooled because of it, no in game adjustments, neither on defense nor on offense. Coach just isn't suited for serious games. Prepare your players to be come out on fire, when the season is on the line. Happens every single time. Miami is not more talented, just coached and prepared way better. No excuses anymore.

BD developing players isn't worth much if he can't get a game plan down and make adjustments in game.

[jc23]

Man, these guys fool me every year. Get my hopes up and then lay an egg in a play in game. i hope nobody gets paid, in fact pay me for watching that crap.

[coldfish]

Man, these guys fool me every year. Get my hopes up and then lay an egg in a play in game. i hope nobody gets paid, in fact pay me for watching that crap.

The AKME Bulls have been making a living recently on beating tanking teams or teams that are resting players to finish out the season and give both themselves and the fanbase false hope.

[Ice Man]

The AKME Bulls have been making a living recently on beating tanking teams or teams that are resting players to finish out the season and give both themselves and the fanbase false hope.

The Bulls didn't play like that when twice beating a Lakers team that was trying to win every game, and a Denver team (without Luka) that was doing the same, and a Kings team that is at least as good as Miami that was trying to do the same.

Last night's game doesn't invalidate the positive aspects of their previous 20 games, just as their previous 20 games doesn't invalidate the negative aspects associated with last night's debacle. The reality is decidedly mixed.

[Ccwatercraft]

Kings already fired their GM lol

Wow, that's lightning fast!

[yifsuibfe1]

Man, these guys fool me every year. Get my hopes up and then lay an egg in a play in game. i hope nobody gets paid, in fact pay me for watching that crap.

How in the hell is this franchise still getting your hopes up