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Krause promised Mihm that we would draft him, and we did! We’ll only to trade him. Ah I miss Krause aggressiveness. Granted it oft turned out poorly it was still a plan. Foolish in optics but trying to get t,ac, hill and Duncan was forward thinking. The twin towers reach failed so bad but at least a good thought. Krause would have wheeled and dealed so much. It would have been much like Ainge. Not saying better but more decisive.

Imo, Krause>>>Garpax>>>>>>>AKME. Krause may have had the people skills of a feral cat, but he GM'd how I play fantasy. Aggressive, dopamine chasing, and fun as hell.

When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

He was THE guy who went all-in simultaneously on cap space and high lottery picks, back when those things were actual options that you could kinda control.

[Jcool0]

Imo, Krause>>>Garpax>>>>>>>AKME. Krause may have had the people skills of a feral cat, but he GM'd how I play fantasy. Aggressive, dopamine chasing, and fun as hell.

When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

He was THE guy who went all-in simultaneously on cap space and high lottery picks, back when those things were actual options that you could kinda control.

Which worked out very well...

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When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

He was THE guy who went all-in simultaneously on cap space and high lottery picks, back when those things were actual options that you could kinda control.

Which worked out very well...

Nobody said it did. The claim was that it was exciting with very big swings. Krause's strategy was also hurt IIRC by the introduction of the individual player max. Without that we very well may have had a second dynasty. I'm not a Krause fan btw, just saying.

[Peelboy]

Krause promised Mihm that we would draft him, and we did! We’ll only to trade him. Ah I miss Krause aggressiveness. Granted it oft turned out poorly it was still a plan. Foolish in optics but trying to get t,ac, hill and Duncan was forward thinking. The twin towers reach failed so bad but at least a good thought. Krause would have wheeled and dealed so much. It would have been much like Ainge. Not saying better but more decisive.

Imo, Krause>>>Garpax>>>>>>>AKME. Krause may have had the people skills of a feral cat, but he GM'd how I play fantasy. Aggressive, dopamine chasing, and fun as hell.

When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

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Krause picked up Tex Winter to run the triangle, exceptionally creative and forward thinking.
Krause drafted Pippen as a long-term guy.
Krause traded Oakley for Cartwright, which was a pretty aggressive and creative move at the time (fit with the triangle).
Krause picked Phil Jackson out of the CBA.
Krause traded for Rodman, a known head case figuring the Bulls could keep him in line between PJ/MJ.
Krause identified the right kind of PG to play with an MJ/Pip team in BJ/Pax/Kerr.

Then, while it flopped, Krause tanked and acquired cap space. He was hit by the loss of Jay Williams, but he was tanking before tanking was a thing.

As much as folks want to slam Krause for the ending of the dynasty and period afterwards, he was a pretty creative and forward thinking GM in building the dynasty.

[Dominator83]

Given Essengue was mocked generally above the Bulls it doesn't seem likely that he would need a promise to ditch his team in Germany. Given he would make $1M more by being drafted even one slot higher, I find it hard to believe he would sabotage his draft process to make less money.

That said, same is true of Maluach whom also has no reason to want to go to the Suns vs being drafted earlier and making more money, so who knows. I suppose it wouldn't be shocking if under some circumstances there is some under the money table being offered to draft prospects in some way that would make up for such a thing.

I'd also guess that the Bulls strike me as exceedingly unlikely to participate in under the money negotiations as they're cheap as hell, but maybe that's what we used that extra 2nd round pick cash for

FWIW, the idea that we locked in on him early and made him a promise isn't crazy from a "would we do this" perspective. I could totally see us doing that which would also be really stupid on our part.

Krause promised Mihm that we would draft him, and we did! We’ll only to trade him. Ah I miss Krause aggressiveness. Granted it oft turned out poorly it was still a plan. Foolish in optics but trying to get t,ac, hill and Duncan was forward thinking. The twin towers reach failed so bad but at least a good thought. Krause would have wheeled and dealed so much. It would have been much like Ainge. Not saying better but more decisive.

Imo, Krause>>>Garpax>>>>>>>AKME. Krause may have had the people skills of a feral cat, but he GM'd how I play fantasy. Aggressive, dopamine chasing, and fun as hell.

Yep. And he was the complete opposite of AKME.... He knew that being a low seed .500ish team was the worst thing to be in this league. Krause had the right all-or-nothing attitude

[boundbymusic]

Imo, Krause>>>Garpax>>>>>>>AKME. Krause may have had the people skills of a feral cat, but he GM'd how I play fantasy. Aggressive, dopamine chasing, and fun as hell.

When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

?????

Krause picked up Tex Winter to run the triangle, exceptionally creative and forward thinking.
Krause drafted Pippen as a long-term guy.
Krause traded Oakley for Cartwright, which was a pretty aggressive and creative move at the time (fit with the triangle).
Krause picked Phil Jackson out of the CBA.
Krause traded for Rodman, a known head case figuring the Bulls could keep him in line between PJ/MJ.
Krause identified the right kind of PG to play with an MJ/Pip team in BJ/Pax/Kerr.

Then, while it flopped, Krause tanked and acquired cap space. He was hit by the loss of Jay Williams, but he was tanking before tanking was a thing.

As much as folks want to slam Krause for the ending of the dynasty and period afterwards, he was a pretty creative and forward thinking GM in building the dynasty.

Yea he was nothing if not always trying stuff. He also agreed to the deal to send Pippen to Seattle for Kemp before Jordan had it killed.

[Jcool0]

Imo, Krause>>>Garpax>>>>>>>AKME. Krause may have had the people skills of a feral cat, but he GM'd how I play fantasy. Aggressive, dopamine chasing, and fun as hell.

When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

?????

Krause picked up Tex Winter to run the triangle, exceptionally creative and forward thinking.
Krause drafted Pippen as a long-term guy.
Krause traded Oakley for Cartwright, which was a pretty aggressive and creative move at the time (fit with the triangle).
Krause picked Phil Jackson out of the CBA.
Krause traded for Rodman, a known head case figuring the Bulls could keep him in line between PJ/MJ.
Krause identified the right kind of PG to play with an MJ/Pip team in BJ/Pax/Kerr.

Then, while it flopped, Krause tanked and acquired cap space. He was hit by the loss of Jay Williams, but he was tanking before tanking was a thing.

As much as folks want to slam Krause for the ending of the dynasty and period afterwards, he was a pretty creative and forward thinking GM in building the dynasty.

You listed almost all 1980s moves. And none of them were aggressive or dopamine chasing. Most of them outside of the 86 draft weren't even that good. Oakley for Cartwright was a wash. It was nice to have a compliment center but they still win without him. I am not giving him credit for getting nonathletic combo guards playing next to Jordan and not completely flopping. The aggressive move in 1989 (BJ draft #18) was the trade up to #14 and take Tim Hardaway up one spot for someone he almost traded for Shawn Kemp. It was great he found Phil but then hated him so much at the end even 82-0 he wasn't coming back. Rodman worked out but it was a low stakes win/win move for Krause. Cost him nothing to trade for him and if he didn't work he could be easily cut.

[Michael Jackson]

When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

?????

Krause picked up Tex Winter to run the triangle, exceptionally creative and forward thinking.
Krause drafted Pippen as a long-term guy.
Krause traded Oakley for Cartwright, which was a pretty aggressive and creative move at the time (fit with the triangle).
Krause picked Phil Jackson out of the CBA.
Krause traded for Rodman, a known head case figuring the Bulls could keep him in line between PJ/MJ.
Krause identified the right kind of PG to play with an MJ/Pip team in BJ/Pax/Kerr.

Then, while it flopped, Krause tanked and acquired cap space. He was hit by the loss of Jay Williams, but he was tanking before tanking was a thing.

As much as folks want to slam Krause for the ending of the dynasty and period afterwards, he was a pretty creative and forward thinking GM in building the dynasty.

You listed almost all 1980s moves. And none of them were aggressive or dopamine chasing. Most of them outside of the 86 draft weren't even that good. Oakley for Cartwright was a wash. It was nice to have a compliment center but they still win without him. I am not giving him credit for getting nonathletic combo guards playing next to Jordan and not completely flopping. The aggressive move in 1989 (BJ draft #18) was the trade up to #14 and take Tim Hardaway up one spot for someone he almost traded for Shawn Kemp. It was great he found Phil but then hated him so much at the end even 82-0 he wasn't coming back. Rodman worked out but it was a low stakes win/win move for Krause. Cost him nothing to trade for him and if he didn't work he could be easily cut.

Gutting for a superteam was forward thinking, it didn't happen and we got ron mercer. Trying to rtrade for Kemp and TMac (both veto'd) were agressive. Twin Towers was agressive. Not saying it worked.... but he was more than willing to swing for the fences, the opposite of what is going on today. Krause was hands down so unlikable, his hubris literally ruined his plans (ie his hubris landed him Mercer) just all around failed but he was at least going after it. Can't say AKME ever did that.

[Jcool0]

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Krause picked up Tex Winter to run the triangle, exceptionally creative and forward thinking.
Krause drafted Pippen as a long-term guy.
Krause traded Oakley for Cartwright, which was a pretty aggressive and creative move at the time (fit with the triangle).
Krause picked Phil Jackson out of the CBA.
Krause traded for Rodman, a known head case figuring the Bulls could keep him in line between PJ/MJ.
Krause identified the right kind of PG to play with an MJ/Pip team in BJ/Pax/Kerr.

Then, while it flopped, Krause tanked and acquired cap space. He was hit by the loss of Jay Williams, but he was tanking before tanking was a thing.

As much as folks want to slam Krause for the ending of the dynasty and period afterwards, he was a pretty creative and forward thinking GM in building the dynasty.

You listed almost all 1980s moves. And none of them were aggressive or dopamine chasing. Most of them outside of the 86 draft weren't even that good. Oakley for Cartwright was a wash. It was nice to have a compliment center but they still win without him. I am not giving him credit for getting nonathletic combo guards playing next to Jordan and not completely flopping. The aggressive move in 1989 (BJ draft #18) was the trade up to #14 and take Tim Hardaway up one spot for someone he almost traded for Shawn Kemp. It was great he found Phil but then hated him so much at the end even 82-0 he wasn't coming back. Rodman worked out but it was a low stakes win/win move for Krause. Cost him nothing to trade for him and if he didn't work he could be easily cut.

Gutting for a superteam was forward thinking, it didn't happen and we got ron mercer. Trying to rtrade for Kemp and TMac (both veto'd) were agressive. Twin Towers was agressive. Not saying it worked.... but he was more than willing to swing for the fences, the opposite of what is going on today. Krause was hands down so unlikable, his hubris literally ruined his plans (ie his hubris landed him Mercer) just all around failed but he was at least going after it. Can't say AKME ever did that.

He sent Benny the Bull to get TMac and the airport like this was a circus and ended up with none of the big names... Almost none of the post champ years were aggressive, he wasn't stock-piling picks like Presti. Bulls were just bad and had high picks. The one aggressive thing he did was burning down a somewhat interesting team to go all in on HS players. Yet they were the completely wrong ones... Not sure what he saw in Eddie Curry... A guy in HS who couldn't average 10 RPG when he was 5" and 50lbs bigger then anyone else... That hould of been a red flag....

[HomoSapien]

?????

Krause picked up Tex Winter to run the triangle, exceptionally creative and forward thinking.
Krause drafted Pippen as a long-term guy.
Krause traded Oakley for Cartwright, which was a pretty aggressive and creative move at the time (fit with the triangle).
Krause picked Phil Jackson out of the CBA.
Krause traded for Rodman, a known head case figuring the Bulls could keep him in line between PJ/MJ.
Krause identified the right kind of PG to play with an MJ/Pip team in BJ/Pax/Kerr.

Then, while it flopped, Krause tanked and acquired cap space. He was hit by the loss of Jay Williams, but he was tanking before tanking was a thing.

As much as folks want to slam Krause for the ending of the dynasty and period afterwards, he was a pretty creative and forward thinking GM in building the dynasty.

You listed almost all 1980s moves. And none of them were aggressive or dopamine chasing. Most of them outside of the 86 draft weren't even that good. Oakley for Cartwright was a wash. It was nice to have a compliment center but they still win without him. I am not giving him credit for getting nonathletic combo guards playing next to Jordan and not completely flopping. The aggressive move in 1989 (BJ draft #18) was the trade up to #14 and take Tim Hardaway up one spot for someone he almost traded for Shawn Kemp. It was great he found Phil but then hated him so much at the end even 82-0 he wasn't coming back. Rodman worked out but it was a low stakes win/win move for Krause. Cost him nothing to trade for him and if he didn't work he could be easily cut.

Gutting for a superteam was forward thinking, it didn't happen and we got ron mercer. Trying to rtrade for Kemp and TMac (both veto'd) were agressive. Twin Towers was agressive. Not saying it worked.... but he was more than willing to swing for the fences, the opposite of what is going on today. Krause was hands down so unlikable, his hubris literally ruined his plans (ie his hubris landed him Mercer) just all around failed but he was at least going after it. Can't say AKME ever did that.

Don't forget the drafting of Toni Kukoc. To draft a player from Europe was pretty forward thinking back then. I also think there are smaller moves that go unnoticed. First he rebuilt the entire 2nd three-peat team essentially from scratch. Guys like Longley, Kerr, and Harper don't really get a lot of credit but they proved to be pivotal championship-level role players. There were also small tweaks like signing Brian Williams mid-season, or trading for Scott Burrell that helped our depth heading into the playoffs. Finally, the Rodman trade was pretty bold and something that no one else in the league was willing to do.

Of course, Krause was his own worst enemy and shot himself in the foot over and over again, but there's a reason he was called the Sleuth. I think to section off the question to be about Krause strictly in the 90s is disengenuous. A lot of the moves he made in the 80s started to blossom in the 90s.

[CROBulls]

Krause was modern GM in old school era. Guy was trading picks for future picks. And doing deals 25 years ahead of league. Yes, rebuild failed. Okay, rebuild started slow Bulls picked high in ne of worst one in retrospective league history, 2000 draft. Best player in draft was drafted #43 by random chance and it was Micheal Redd.

Next year picking Chandler with #2 over Pau Gasol in restrospect looks very bad. But young kids today need to understand that European players back then were viewed as soft and Chandler was viewed as next Garnett coming from HS. He was also 3 years younger than Pau. And Krause philosophy was he wanted to build twin tower team. So with next pick at #4 he picked Eddy Curry.

League was still dominated back then by big man and centers. And picking two HS american big man kids meant long rebuild and developing. Its just sad none of his big mans he drafted never worked out for Bulls, but this goes through late 80's and 90's.
You can maybe blame Krause for not having real talent to recognize big man talent. This started long time ago when Bulls wasted #6 pick in 1989 on Stacey King for example. And had alot more success drafting forwards and guards in draft. But guy did try get big man because he knew in era of prime Shaq, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett you need such guy to compete. And you would never get past them without one, unless you had by miracle next Jordan on your roster. So he drafted by analytics, something modern Bulls offfice can only dream.

Ill take Krause and rebuild and maybe fail any day over staying in play in over next decade. Failing means you tried. And most teams fail until they get it right. It's why proactive GMs are good. You never know where the deal is to get better, but you need find it. It will not fall on your lap. You need to have vision what you want to build, not just get day by day.

[Jcool0]

Krause was modern GM in old school era. Guy was trading picks for future picks. And doing deals 25 years ahead of league. Yes, rebuild failed. Okay, rebuild started slow Bulls picked high in ne of worst one in retrospective league history, 2000 draft. Best player in draft was drafted #43 by random chance and it was Micheal Redd.

Next year picking Chandler with #2 over Pau Gasol in restrospect looks very bad. But young kids today need to understand that European players back then were viewed as soft and Chandler was viewed as next Garnett coming from HS. He was also 3 years younger than Pau. And Krause philosophy was he wanted to build twin tower team. So with next pick at #4 he picked Eddy Curry.

League was still dominated back then by big man and centers. And picking two HS american big man kids meant long rebuild and developing. Its just sad none of his big mans he drafted never worked out for Bulls, but this goes through late 80's and 90's.
You can maybe blame Krause for not having real talent to recognize big man talent. This started long time ago when Bulls wasted #6 pick in 1989 on Stacey King for example. And had alot more success drafting forwards and guards in draft. But guy did try get big man because he knew in era of prime Shaq, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett you need such guy to compete. And you would never get past them without one, unless you had by miracle next Jordan on your roster. So he drafted by analytics, something modern Bulls offfice can only dream.

Ill take Krause and rebuild and maybe fail any day over staying in play in over next decade. Failing means you tried. And most teams fail until they get it right. It's why proactive GMs are good. You never know where the deal is to get better, but you need find it. It will not fall on your lap. You need to have vision what you want to build, not just get day by day.

Jerry was the GM of 6 NBA titles and that can never be taken away and he found and drafted Pippen which was pretty important to the Bulls success. But when looking at his entire career with Chicago it was mostly failure. Failure to really properly build this team after getting Pippen and Grant. Jordan not surprisingly could cover up a lot. In the moment you don't notice but looking back you can just see how many not good players played important roles for the Bulls. Failure to get out of the way and let it keep going as long as it could. Failure to rebuild when he was so sure he could. He wasn't a good GM, maybe time had passed him. Maybe he just got lucky... 1986 does seem like an outlier in a long draft history. Hindsight is easy but you can see the correct path looking back and it wasn't out of reach for him but he never was able to take it.

[Mr. Tibbs]

Krause promised Mihm that we would draft him, and we did! We’ll only to trade him. Ah I miss Krause aggressiveness. Granted it oft turned out poorly it was still a plan. Foolish in optics but trying to get t,ac, hill and Duncan was forward thinking. The twin towers reach failed so bad but at least a good thought. Krause would have wheeled and dealed so much. It would have been much like Ainge. Not saying better but more decisive.

Imo, Krause>>>Garpax>>>>>>>AKME. Krause may have had the people skills of a feral cat, but he GM'd how I play fantasy. Aggressive, dopamine chasing, and fun as hell.

When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

The Tyson Chandler draft day trade remains the most shocking, exhilirating draft moment I can remember as a Bulls fan.

[MrSparkle]

Krause was onto something (3Cs and a farm), but between hiring a bad coach (and holding him way too long), striking out on the TMac pitch, having 3 successively bad drafts (all-around, 00-02 were pretty rough), the Jalen trade… and then winning some games in March 2003, to put us out Lebron/Wade/Melo… just a clinic of “right idea at the wrong time” or just falling short in the execution.

Overall, I think the winning plan in 1999 was to get ahead of the curve (with training, analytics, player culture/development, foreign scouting… ala Mark Cuban), and they stopped doing that, despite drafting the first Euro star in Kukoc, having the best staff with Tex, Phil and MJ’s trainers.

The reliance on MJ left a void in a new era that the org wasn’t ready for.

It wasn’t exactly in his hand, but just drafting Pau instead of Curry would’ve made a real difference. Hell, having a coach who could tame Artest, and see the talent in Brad Miller.

Example of why organizations can lose basketball games.

[Mr. Tibbs]

Krause was modern GM in old school era. Guy was trading picks for future picks. And doing deals 25 years ahead of league. Yes, rebuild failed. Okay, rebuild started slow Bulls picked high in ne of worst one in retrospective league history, 2000 draft. Best player in draft was drafted #43 by random chance and it was Micheal Redd.

Next year picking Chandler with #2 over Pau Gasol in restrospect looks very bad. But young kids today need to understand that European players back then were viewed as soft and Chandler was viewed as next Garnett coming from HS. He was also 3 years younger than Pau. And Krause philosophy was he wanted to build twin tower team. So with next pick at #4 he picked Eddy Curry.

League was still dominated back then by big man and centers. And picking two HS american big man kids meant long rebuild and developing. Its just sad none of his big mans he drafted never worked out for Bulls, but this goes through late 80's and 90's.
You can maybe blame Krause for not having real talent to recognize big man talent. This started long time ago when Bulls wasted #6 pick in 1989 on Stacey King for example. And had alot more success drafting forwards and guards in draft. But guy did try get big man because he knew in era of prime Shaq, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett you need such guy to compete. And you would never get past them without one, unless you had by miracle next Jordan on your roster. So he drafted by analytics, something modern Bulls offfice can only dream.

Ill take Krause and rebuild and maybe fail any day over staying in play in over next decade. Failing means you tried. And most teams fail until they get it right. It's why proactive GMs are good. You never know where the deal is to get better, but you need find it. It will not fall on your lap. You need to have vision what you want to build, not just get day by day.

Jerry was the GM of 6 NBA titles and that can never be taken away and he found and drafted Pippen which was pretty important to the Bulls success. But when looking at his entire career with Chicago it was mostly failure. Failure to really properly build this team after getting Pippen and Grant. Jordan not surprisingly could cover up a lot. In the moment you don't notice but looking back you can just see how many not good players played important roles for the Bulls. Failure to get out of the way and let it keep going as long as it could. Failure to rebuild when he was so sure he could. He wasn't a good GM, maybe time had passed him. Maybe he just got lucky... 1986 does seem like an outlier in a long draft history. Hindsight is easy but you can see the correct path looking back and it wasn't out of reach for him but he never was able to take it.

If mostly failure includes 6 titles and some of the greatest teams ever assembled sign me up for that plz.

Also thank you for mentioning Pippen. I was only 3 months old so I can't say definitively, but seems pretty bold and aggressive to me.

[Dominator83]

Krause was modern GM in old school era. Guy was trading picks for future picks. And doing deals 25 years ahead of league. Yes, rebuild failed. Okay, rebuild started slow Bulls picked high in ne of worst one in retrospective league history, 2000 draft. Best player in draft was drafted #43 by random chance and it was Micheal Redd.

Next year picking Chandler with #2 over Pau Gasol in restrospect looks very bad. But young kids today need to understand that European players back then were viewed as soft and Chandler was viewed as next Garnett coming from HS. He was also 3 years younger than Pau. And Krause philosophy was he wanted to build twin tower team. So with next pick at #4 he picked Eddy Curry.

League was still dominated back then by big man and centers. And picking two HS american big man kids meant long rebuild and developing. Its just sad none of his big mans he drafted never worked out for Bulls, but this goes through late 80's and 90's.
You can maybe blame Krause for not having real talent to recognize big man talent. This started long time ago when Bulls wasted #6 pick in 1989 on Stacey King for example. And had alot more success drafting forwards and guards in draft. But guy did try get big man because he knew in era of prime Shaq, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett you need such guy to compete. And you would never get past them without one, unless you had by miracle next Jordan on your roster. So he drafted by analytics, something modern Bulls offfice can only dream.

Ill take Krause and rebuild and maybe fail any day over staying in play in over next decade. Failing means you tried. And most teams fail until they get it right. It's why proactive GMs are good. You never know where the deal is to get better, but you need find it. It will not fall on your lap. You need to have vision what you want to build, not just get day by day.

Jerry was the GM of 6 NBA titles and that can never be taken away and he found and drafted Pippen which was pretty important to the Bulls success. But when looking at his entire career with Chicago it was mostly failure. Failure to really properly build this team after getting Pippen and Grant. Jordan not surprisingly could cover up a lot. In the moment you don't notice but looking back you can just see how many not good players played important roles for the Bulls. Failure to get out of the way and let it keep going as long as it could. Failure to rebuild when he was so sure he could. He wasn't a good GM, maybe time had passed him. Maybe he just got lucky... 1986 does seem like an outlier in a long draft history. Hindsight is easy but you can see the correct path looking back and it wasn't out of reach for him but he never was able to take it.

If mostly failure includes 6 titles and some of the greatest teams ever assembled sign me up for that plz.

Also thank you for mentioning Pippen. I was only 3 months old so I can't say definitively, but seems pretty bold and aggressive to me.

Yea i don't know how people can continue to hate on krause after seeing the garbage we've been seeing for years now. The current guys in charge are infinitely worse than Krause. The current clown show operates with "eff them picks" mentality... with a star-less team that hasn't won a playoff series in 10 years.

Its one thing to think like that when your the lakers, who everyone bends over backwards to funnel them players, or the Warriors who are trying to make one last push with Steph and Jimmy, or the Bucks with a generational star (they're in a bad spot now but still did win a chip with that mentality), or the Nuggets with Jokic, etc.

We are nothing like those situations. We have no stars, are a middling play-in team year after year, and we don't value draft picks. Can't think of a worse situation in the league. Hornets maybe?

[Indomitable]

He was THE guy who went all-in simultaneously on cap space and high lottery picks, back when those things were actual options that you could kinda control.

Which worked out very well...

Nobody said it did. The claim was that it was exciting with very big swings. Krause's strategy was also hurt IIRC by the introduction of the individual player max. Without that we very well may have had a second dynasty. I'm not a Krause fan btw, just saying.

I was the one who use to say that. It destroyed the Tmac strategy.

[Michael Jackson]

Which worked out very well...

Nobody said it did. The claim was that it was exciting with very big swings. Krause's strategy was also hurt IIRC by the introduction of the individual player max. Without that we very well may have had a second dynasty. I'm not a Krause fan btw, just saying.

I was the one who use to say that. It destroyed the Tmac strategy.

Yeah he was surely looking to overpay for the guys

[dougthonus]

When was Krause any of those things? He was never that creative during the dynasty years and most everything he did from the 90s on failed.

He was THE guy who went all-in simultaneously on cap space and high lottery picks, back when those things were actual options that you could kinda control.

Which worked out very well...

To be a bit fair to Krause, they changed the CBA to put in the max contract after he had this plan and to give current teams an extra year + bigger raises. If htey hadn't, he was just going to outbid SA on Tim Duncan.

[Jcool0]

He was THE guy who went all-in simultaneously on cap space and high lottery picks, back when those things were actual options that you could kinda control.

Which worked out very well...

To be a bit fair to Krause, they changed the CBA to put in the max contract after he had this plan and to give current teams an extra year + bigger raises. If htey hadn't, he was just going to outbid SA on Tim Duncan.

He did consider Orlando to play with Grant Hill and TMac, but he wasn't dumb enough to leave a good thing in SA. He was never in play for Chicago.