Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play?

[Magilla_Gorilla]

N.Y. is saying they won't take Boozer back in a sign-and-trade deal.
Sound familiar? It's what Cleveland's mantra was, right
up until they did it.
They'll take Boozer, and LIKE IT!

Right. What are they going to say? "Ughhh yeah, for sure, we'll take Boozer". This is exactly what they HAVE to say. It means nothing.

Its not about Boozer its about being under the apron and taking boozer and his salary puts us way over the cap, I doubt Dolan is going to want to pay his salary and what ever else due to that, you're talking 30 million plus in total....not happening

Chicago would have to take back salary - either Smith or Pablo Pringles to keep NY below the apron an possibly the lux tax line.

[danzou]

Yes. You can only have cap space or the Exception, but not both (except the Room MLE).

So Rerisen's scenario of the "threat" of signing Melo outright by trading Gibson for space and replacing him with a PF signed with the full (i'm assuming you meant this Re?) MLE is not possible?

If we trade Gibson (and Snell) we could get to almost 24 million in cap space. We'd have enough for Melo and a PF and the RMLE.

Ok I get that. I thought he was referring to the full MLE, not the RMLE.

[pylb]

If we wanted to do a SnT with Boozer to stay over the cap and PhilJax was playing hardball, since Melo's a free agent, would it be possible to do the sign and trade with someone like Philly ?

Philly signs Melo, trades him to us, we send them Butler/Mirotic/Sac protected/portland 2nds/a future 1st.

Basically, can Melo do a sign and trade with somebody other than his old team ?

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Just hear on the sports radio here in LA Marc Stein is reporting that The Bulls and Rockets are out of the sweepstakes for Melo it's down to the Knicks and the Heat never expected Melo to come anyway


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Huh?? Is that a joke?

No joke I just read it on his tweet too


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Marc Stein hasn't tweeted anything close to that. Wheres the Ban Hammer?

[danzou]

If we wanted to do a SnT with Boozer to stay over the cap and PhilJax was playing hardball, since Melo's a free agent, would it be possible to do the sign and trade with someone like Philly ?

Philly signs Melo, trades him to us, we send them Butler/Mirotic/Sac and portland pick/maybe another pick.

Basically, can Melo do a sign and trade with somebody other than his old team ?

No. Has to be the knicks.

[Hardfoul]

Question re Houston's situation. Can Houston sign Melo or other free agent based on cap space available calculated assuming Parsons' cap hold only, then subsequently sign Parsons and exceed cap because they are signing their own free agent? Seems like this must be the case, otherwise how can Houston keep Parsons?

[Vince Strong]

N.Y. is saying they won't take Boozer back in a sign-and-trade deal.
Sound familiar? It's what Cleveland's mantra was, right
up until they did it.
They'll take Boozer, and LIKE IT!

Right. What are they going to say? "Ughhh yeah, for sure, we'll take Boozer". This is exactly what they HAVE to say. It means nothing.

Its not about Boozer its about being under the apron and taking boozer and his salary puts us way over the cap, I doubt Dolan is going to want to pay his salary and what ever else due to that, you're talking 30 million plus in total....not happening

I would assume we take back a bad contract like JR Smith and throw you guys a couple other bones (picks, Dunleavy, Butler, etc). No one in their right mind is saying "take Boozer, give us Melo".

[Magilla_Gorilla]

If we wanted to do a SnT with Boozer to stay over the cap and PhilJax was playing hardball, since Melo's a free agent, would it be possible to do the sign and trade with someone like Philly ?

Philly signs Melo, trades him to us, we send them Butler/Mirotic/Sac protected/portland 2nds/a future 1st.

Basically, can Melo do a sign and trade with somebody other than his old team ?

You can only S&T your own players, and they have to have been on last years roster (Keith Van Horn rule).

[Rerisen]

So Rerisen's scenario of the "threat" of signing Melo outright by trading Gibson for space and replacing him with a PF signed with the full (i'm assuming you meant this Re?) MLE is not possible?

I just called the amount of money the MLE, it doesn't need to technically be the exception to have the same effect.

We can start Melo at roughly 19m and still have a tad over 5m left if we clear everyone out beside Doug McDermott and Jimmy.

[SteelerSpartan]

Stein didnt say we were definitively out of the running when he was on The Herd

He said the Bulls dont want to come right out and say it but that vibe hes getting from them is that their chances are dwindling and thats why they're going after Gasol

Basically hes just speculating on what the Gasol meeting means like the rest of here

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Question re Houston's situation. Can Houston sign Melo or other free agent based on cap space available calculated assuming Parsons' cap hold only, then subsequently sign Parsons and exceed cap because they are signing their own free agent? Seems like this must be the case, otherwise how can Houston keep Parsons?

Yes. Parsons counts for approx 2 million against the cap right now.

[RedBulls23]

I'll repeat this and type slowly so that it will sink in:

Serious sign and trade negotiations will not begin until after Melo has visited all the teams, including NY and made his intentions known.

All Chicago can do right now is the footwork on lining up teams.

This is what I said a while ago when Broussard stated the Bulls haven't asked about a sign and trade.

It just doesn't make sense at this point if the Bulls don't even know that he wants to come here.

[danzou]

Question re Houston's situation. Can Houston sign Melo or other free agent based on cap space available calculated assuming Parsons' cap hold only, then subsequently sign Parsons and exceed cap because they are signing their own free agent? Seems like this must be the case, otherwise how can Houston keep Parsons?

I'd love to know this as well. If that is the case it should be obvious that Parsons is only using other teams as leverage. I mean, he was the main recruiter when it came to Dwight, and it makes no sense for Houston to make him a RFA unless they had an understanding that any offer would be matched. Other teams should be able to see this, right?

[cubanKnick]

Right. What are they going to say? "Ughhh yeah, for sure, we'll take Boozer". This is exactly what they HAVE to say. It means nothing.

Its not about Boozer its about being under the apron and taking boozer and his salary puts us way over the cap, I doubt Dolan is going to want to pay his salary and what ever else due to that, you're talking 30 million plus in total....not happening

Chicago would have to take back salary - either Smith or Pablo Pringles to keep NY below the apron an possibly the lux tax line.

Yeah it's pretty much the only way, because I can see Phil tryig to dump Stat and/or Bargs and we need to be under for that to happen

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Question re Houston's situation. Can Houston sign Melo or other free agent based on cap space available calculated assuming Parsons' cap hold only, then subsequently sign Parsons and exceed cap because they are signing their own free agent? Seems like this must be the case, otherwise how can Houston keep Parsons?

I'd love to know this as well. If that is the case it should be obvious that Parsons is only using other teams as leverage. I mean, he was the main recruiter when it came to Dwight, and it makes no sense for Houston to make him a RFA unless they had an understanding that any offer would be matched. Other teams should be able to see this, right?

If we wanted to do a SnT with Boozer to stay over the cap and PhilJax was playing hardball, since Melo's a free agent, would it be possible to do the sign and trade with someone like Philly ?

Philly signs Melo, trades him to us, we send them Butler/Mirotic/Sac protected/portland 2nds/a future 1st.

Basically, can Melo do a sign and trade with somebody other than his old team ?

You can only S&T your own players, and they have to have been on last years roster (Keith Van Horn rule).

[Jimmy Forums]

Bulls supposedly think that if Melo wants to come they can make financials work. They've also been planning this for about 6 mo. So either a)they're stupid, or b)they have plans to get Melo in scenarios other than where he takes $16.6M

If we recall, way back in the season the Bulls were said to be 'extremely confident' regarding the scenario here, and that was even before the higher than expected cap figures came out.

If they were 'extremely confident' merely based on offering Melo 15m and him taking it, and that's it, then they would have duped everyone and indeed been moronic.

I have to think the Gasol stuff is possibly an alternative option in which we give up Taj Gibson and Dunleavy to get Melo more should it become necessary.

Then we can tell Phil that's what is going to happen if he doesn't want to do a S&T. Taj is going somewhere else, Melo will get his money, we'll get a PF with the MLE, and they will get nothing.

I would be so proud of GarPax if we're not only setting up back-up plans, but making them public so we can use them against Phil.

Now Phil, we can do this the easy way...or the hard way...

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I don't think its possible to clear cap to sign Melo outright and have the full MLE, right?

Melo would have to take a bit less than his max, but still plenty close enough 20m or so, that NY could not afford to believe its a bluff.

If Melo isn't willing to leave 1 or 2m a year on the table then this has all been a big waste of time and he will have re-signed in NY long since at that point.

Hopefully we made him well aware of the tax situation in Chicago compared to NY. But hopefully we also completely ignored the tax situation in Texas lol

If NY hit him with 20, it'd be similar to us hitting him with 19

[SteelerSpartan]

If we cant keep all of Taj,Jimmy,McD then I dont want melo anyway

[danzou]

So Rerisen's scenario of the "threat" of signing Melo outright by trading Gibson for space and replacing him with a PF signed with the full (i'm assuming you meant this Re?) MLE is not possible?

I just called the amount of money the MLE, it doesn't need to technically be the exception to have the same effect.

We can start Melo at roughly 19m and still have a tad over 5m left if we clear everyone out beside Doug McDermott and Jimmy.

Ok thanks for the clarification. If Pau is willing to take 5 mil to play with Melo, how could this not be in the bag!

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Its not about Boozer its about being under the apron and taking boozer and his salary puts us way over the cap, I doubt Dolan is going to want to pay his salary and what ever else due to that, you're talking 30 million plus in total....not happening

Chicago would have to take back salary - either Smith or Pablo Pringles to keep NY below the apron an possibly the lux tax line.

Yeah it's pretty much the only way, because I can see Phil tryig to dump Stat and/or Bargs and we need to be under for that to happen

Why do you need to be under the apron for that to happen?