OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[League Circles]

The girl. Obviously Rose isn't accusing anyone of raping him.

And I guess it's actually a foursome. I just find it hard to believe that any self-respecting man would want to **** his girlfriend with two of his boys. Obviously I'm not going on anything besides a gut feeling here, but it just feels really off to me.

She almost certainly was not his "girlfriend" or anything we'd remotely think of as that. These guys do some Eyes Wide Shut **** on the reg I think. She was just a prop. Once she was utilized, she was discarded. She didn't like that and lashed back. At least that's what seems to be a huge possibility and is Rose's story. There's no reason to think Rose ever cared anything about this girl, really.

if your daughter or sister was drunk and drugged to the point of needing to be carried into the house by the cab driver just moments before this happened would you be ok with that? Because that is her story and it looks like she has a cab driver to back her up. she has one of the guys texting an apology a month later. Depending on the amount of alcohol and excatasy/molly one is drugged up on you can literally be out of your mind. and yeah, you're right. I dont think Rose ever cared one iota for this girl and I dont think one is capable of consenting when drugged up or drunk to the point of not being able to walk into your house.

If my daughter or sister were that intoxicated I would first and foremost be disappointed in them if it allowed them to misuse their judgement sexually. Id be disgusted by the guys she was screwing but I wouldn't claim they raped her by default.

To me, consent is given implicitly by performing an act unless made to do it by force. What if both parties are equally intoxicated? Can they both claim sexual assault?

Did she consent to the cab ride? If not, was it kidnapping? Rose's response said she was up early the next morning, met a friend for coffee before work, and was at work on time. Not sure it's likely she was all that crazy drunk.

[League Circles]

Is there anything likable about Rose these days?

Maybe someone should keep Rose occupied w/ a coloring book and crayons and not let him play with others.

imo, no

Waited for this man, for years, while he rehabbed. Had his back. Every time he fell. We even supported his decision to SIT OUT for the rest of a season when he was fine.

He pays his city back by speaking of his next pay day.

TWO years from now. Unprovoked.

Nah, nothing likable about him at all imo either. That was a serious slap in the face to the fanbase.

He's done more for this city than most of the fans, that's for damn sure. Or have you forgot the very substantial acts of charityand compassion?

[League Circles]

Rose is #3 in jersey sales right now behind only Steph and Lebron.

[NecessaryEvil]

imo, no

Waited for this man, for years, while he rehabbed. Had his back. Every time he fell. We even supported his decision to SIT OUT for the rest of a season when he was fine.

He pays his city back by speaking of his next pay day.

TWO years from now. Unprovoked.

Nah, nothing likable about him at all imo either. That was a serious slap in the face to the fanbase.

He's done more for this city than most of the fans, that's for damn sure. Or have you forgot the very substantial acts of charityand compassion?

Haven't forgotten at all.

Unfortunately, I haven't forgotten everything else either.

[greenl]

Now we've got people saying that there's nothing likable about him because he made one comment about free agency, something that all players think about. All of the hard work he has put in, all the challenges he has overcome, all the things he has done for the community, that means nothing because of one gaffe.

You are clearly a passionate Rose fan- I see your handle in every thread where he is mentioned constantly defending him. However, I'd disagree with your characterization of some Bulls fans as flip flopping idiots. It's possible for reasonable people to interpret events as they unfold in different ways. While you may feel fans have 'turned their back on' Rose- I see fans who have grown tired of his aloofness and tone deaf comments to the media. While you see that all he has done means nothing because of one gaffe- I see multiple gaffes- the laundry list you are well cognizant of and have been hashed to death on this forum. Combine Rose's multiple media gaffes with some awful play last year- and it's not a surprise that fans are leery of listening to him speak. I'd guess that most fans are mostly agnostic towards Rose and would simply like to see him perform at a level his contract demands of him. That doesn't make us idiots- it simply means we aren't quite as fervent as you are.

[art_barbie]

She almost certainly was not his "girlfriend" or anything we'd remotely think of as that. These guys do some Eyes Wide Shut **** on the reg I think. She was just a prop. Once she was utilized, she was discarded. She didn't like that and lashed back. At least that's what seems to be a huge possibility and is Rose's story. There's no reason to think Rose ever cared anything about this girl, really.

if your daughter or sister was drunk and drugged to the point of needing to be carried into the house by the cab driver just moments before this happened would you be ok with that? Because that is her story and it looks like she has a cab driver to back her up. she has one of the guys texting an apology a month later. Depending on the amount of alcohol and excatasy/molly one is drugged up on you can literally be out of your mind. and yeah, you're right. I dont think Rose ever cared one iota for this girl and I dont think one is capable of consenting when drugged up or drunk to the point of not being able to walk into your house.

If my daughter or sister were that intoxicated I would first and foremost be disappointed in them if it allowed them to misuse their judgement sexually. Id be disgusted by the guys she was screwing but I wouldn't claim they raped her by default.

To me, consent is given implicitly by performing an act unless made to do it by force. What if both parties are equally intoxicated? Can they both claim sexual assault?

Did she consent to the cab ride? If not, was it kidnapping? Rose's response said she was up early the next morning, met a friend for coffee before work, and was at work on time. Not sure it's likely she was all that crazy drunk.

i dont know...people drink...people experiment in drugs. it happens. lets hope your daughter and sister have sense enough to not hang with men that will gang bang them when they are intoxicated. if you have never tried molly, I have. I dont recommend it to anyone. And please dont try it. But, Let me explain how it works. You end up really really really incapable to feel anything but pure pleasure and joy for about 1-2 hours...and if you take enough combined with alcohol you end on the highest of cloud nine that you can imagine...every single idea sounds like a good idea...including possibly an orgy...even if you would never ever ever in a million years consent to it sober...if sober you know for sure its not your thing, you could still (perhaps likley?)go for it if drunk enough or on enough molly.

And its easy to spike a drink or shot with molly, you cant see it nor really taste it in a shot and once you swallow a shot its down anyway even if you did taste it.

If I follow her allegations correctly, this girl alleges that that spiked her drink. She got sick and dizzy and knew they spiked it and then left. She went home in a cab/uber. She was so wasted the driver helped her into her house. The drugs set in for a while...seems like about an hour...Rose and his 4 friends then went to her house and gang raped her according to her.

I ask again, if this happened to your sister or daughter even with Derrick frickin rose would you blindly believe that your daughter or sister was just bitter about being cut off or motivated by money only...or would you want a full court press investigation?

And then the classness of Rose in his defense..."she was bitter because he wouldnt pay for a sex toy?" I mean come on...even if it wasn't rape on some level which i doubt, then there were certainly other things he promised her...perhaps even to pay for it which he is disguising as paying for a sex toy. I mean there's too much smoke here...there was once a fire.

In response to all allegations of this on media day, Rose said, " I live in the moment and I am not going to stop living in the moment. I MADE A MISTAKE but I am going to just learn from it and move on and continue to live my life the way I want to live my life...I love my life."

Think about that.

[Keller61]

Now we've got people saying that there's nothing likable about him because he made one comment about free agency, something that all players think about. All of the hard work he has put in, all the challenges he has overcome, all the things he has done for the community, that means nothing because of one gaffe.

You are clearly a passionate Rose fan- I see your handle in every thread where he is mentioned constantly defending him. However, I'd disagree with your characterization of some Bulls fans as flip flopping idiots. It's possible for reasonable people to interpret events as they unfold in different ways. While you may feel fans have 'turned their back on' Rose- I see fans who have grown tired of his aloofness and tone deaf comments to the media. While you see that all he has done means nothing because of one gaffe- I see multiple gaffes- the laundry list you are well cognizant of and have been hashed to death on this forum. Combine Rose's multiple media gaffes with some awful play last year- and it's not a surprise that fans are leery of listening to him speak. I'd guess that most fans are mostly agnostic towards Rose and would simply like to see him perform at a level his contract demands of him. That doesn't make us idiots- it simply means we aren't quite as fervent as you are.

Multiple gaffes, whatever. All I know is that whatever he has said hasn't warranted nearly the level of hate that he has gotten. I'm not angry about skepticism or leeriness; I'm angry about character assassination and people trying to paint this guy like some sort of villain or jackass - this guy about whom all you ever hear from teammates and coaches is that he's one of the most hard-working and friendly people they've known.

In an ideal world, I would like to be able to fairly criticize Rose. I could say a lot about how unthoughtful some of his comments have been (though I've always thought he meant well with the things he said), but I would do so without condemning his character or forgetting about the reasons I'm his fan. It's the over-the-top, sweeping negative reactions that force me into the ardent defender role.

[SHO'NUFF]

I remember the days when Rose was seen as the humbled "good guy" who truly represents Chicago. He's no different than the average NBAer. There is nothing wrong with that. It's not like he tricked us. I'll respect the guy for keeping it real and saying what's on his mind. But he's not the person we all used to think he is. None of us knew him personally. But pulling a train on a woman (even with consent) is pretty low and disgusting even for the average NBAer. Unless that's common with the majority of professional athletes? I have too much self respect (for myself) to do sh*t like that. Of course if that's what they're referring to happened.

[ChosunX]

they aren't going to finals and the MVP ship has sailed. lets hope he just plays smart and gets everybody involved. I would be very happy with an efficient 18 and 7. but I have my doubts...

So why would 18 and 7 Rose after tasting the devil's threesome get worse endorsements compare to 18 and 7 Rose who never had that revealed about him? Were the moral guardians whinning even at Fox News? I had not seen anything on Grantland for example.

cuz it's not just that that he thought having a gang bang with his homies would be fun. it's the totality of things. I mean just look at this board. and these are hard core bulls fans. his act is wearing thin on even some of his most ardent supporters. adidas is moving on to lillard and wall and other younger players who are coming up. there is always pizza dough I guess.

The bigger boards have what, 20-30 regular posters and they representative of entire fanbases?

[TimRobbins]

The bigger boards have what, 20-30 regular posters and they representative of entire fanbases?

If you had a product you want to market, would you want your product associated with Derrick Rose at this point?

[ChosunX]

The bigger boards have what, 20-30 regular posters and they representative of entire fanbases?

If you had a product you want to market, would you want your product associated with Derrick Rose at this point?

Dennis Rodman still gets paid to wear shirts with certain brands after telling everyone that Kim is a cool cat and the kidnapped Americans can blame themselves.

[TimRobbins]

Dennis Rodman still gets paid to wear shirts with certain brands after telling everyone that Kim is a cool cat and the kidnapped Americans can blame themselves.

Dennis Rodman has Charisma and everybody knows he's a lunatic - I guess that has a market. What kind of market does Rose have? Sex abusers? Sex abuse is a very big no-no. I imagine there's a woman in every marketing team that's going to decide on endorsements. I'm pretty sure you're not going to see him associated with any major product (other than existing deals) any time soon.

[ChosunX]

Dennis Rodman still gets paid to wear shirts with certain brands after telling everyone that Kim is a cool cat and the kidnapped Americans can blame themselves.

Dennis Rodman has Charisma and everybody knows he's a lunatic - I guess that has a market. What kind of market does Rose have? Sex abusers? Sex abuse is a very big no-no. I imagine there's a woman in every marketing team that's going to decide on endorsements. I'm pretty sure you're not going to see him associated with any major product (other than existing deals) any time soon.

Abuse? We have no idea what happened or if he was even abusive. What if there is a woman in every marketing team? It's still about the cha-ching at the end of the day.

[TimRobbins]

Abuse? We have no idea what happened or if he was even abusive. What if there is a woman in every marketing team? It's still about the cha-ching at the end of the day.

Yes, so to paraphrase, Derrick Rose is bad for the cha-ching and no sane person would his product to be associated with him.

[ChosunX]

Abuse? We have no idea what happened or if he was even abusive. What if there is a woman in every marketing team? It's still about the cha-ching at the end of the day.

Yes, so to paraphrase, Derrick Rose is bad for the cha-ching and no sane person would his product to be associated with him.

Didn't Kobe reach a settlement instead of proving his innocence? Sports is big enough to ignore the culture war and politcal mobs sometimes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/sponsors-not-scared-nfl-controversy/404686/#disqus_thread

[TimRobbins]

Abuse? We have no idea what happened or if he was even abusive. What if there is a woman in every marketing team? It's still about the cha-ching at the end of the day.

Yes, so to paraphrase, Derrick Rose is bad for the cha-ching and no sane person would his product to be associated with him.

Didn't Kobe reach a settlement instead of proving his innocence? Sports is big enough to ignore the culture war and politcal mobs sometimes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/sponsors-not-scared-nfl-controversy/404686/#disqus_thread

Kobe took a hit on endorsements when that happened, but Kobe also had star power Rose never had (or will have) so eventually, people forgot and moved on. Rose's major endorsement deal is Adidas, and I'm not sure they can drop him, but I be all the others (Powerade, Skullcandy headphones, Wilson Sporting Goods Co., 2K Sports and Giordano's pizza) are going to drop him.

[ChosunX]

Yes, so to paraphrase, Derrick Rose is bad for the cha-ching and no sane person would his product to be associated with him.

Didn't Kobe reach a settlement instead of proving his innocence? Sports is big enough to ignore the culture war and politcal mobs sometimes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/sponsors-not-scared-nfl-controversy/404686/#disqus_thread

Kobe took a hit on endorsements when that happened, but Kobe also had star power Rose never had (or will have) so eventually, people forgot and moved on. Rose's major endorsement deal is Adidas, and I'm not sure they can drop him, but I be all the others (Powerade, Skullcandy headphones, Wilson Sporting Goods Co., 2K Sports and Giordano's pizza) are going to drop him.

So if he was dropped long term assuming he is innocent it will be because of his play not because of shared hanky panky. He was an MVP, this is not the thing that defines his career.

[pwrshft99]

Pretty clear to me, she wants the money. Why didn't she press charges? Wouldn't you want these guys in jail?

[SHO'NUFF]

Didn't Kobe reach a settlement instead of proving his innocence? Sports is big enough to ignore the culture war and politcal mobs sometimes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/sponsors-not-scared-nfl-controversy/404686/#disqus_thread

Kobe took a hit on endorsements when that happened, but Kobe also had star power Rose never had (or will have) so eventually, people forgot and moved on. Rose's major endorsement deal is Adidas, and I'm not sure they can drop him, but I be all the others (Powerade, Skullcandy headphones, Wilson Sporting Goods Co., 2K Sports and Giordano's pizza) are going to drop him.

So if he was dropped long term assuming he is innocent it will be because of his play not because of shared hanky panky. He was an MVP, this is not the thing that defines his career.

If you can lose endorsements for poking fun at nurses....you can definitely lose endorsements for doing what Rose did. We live in the land of the offended. #WomenLivesMatter (if they exist) will make sure of that.

[pylb]

The bigger boards have what, 20-30 regular posters and they representative of entire fanbases?

If you had a product you want to market, would you want your product associated with Derrick Rose at this point?

Probably not, but that would be because of the injuries, not because he had sex.