Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[fleet]

I'm sure there's probably a Knick fan somewhere complaining about having to give up both Iman and THJ.

The Bulls board is a place where posters fell in love with a charlatan named MoneyMitch. We used to be good.

[molepharmer]

I find that extremely hard to believe.

Windhorst said on ESPN radio last week that he strongly doubts Love will sign with a team if traded. Financially, it makes no sense.

I can understand that from Love's POV, but it also makes him a severe D-bag.

If it is straight up about the money, you don't force your way out a year early.
Then again, it was also Minny's fault on his last contract.....

It would make him a bit of a d bag. My uneducated guess is, he probably is a bit of a d bag.

If true, Lakers are probably enjoying this, sitting out there with all that prospective cap space next summer.

[Stratmaster]

So to summarize:

1. I want out of Minnesota.
2. i want out of Minnesota before my contract with them is up.
3. I only want to go to a team with a chance at a championship.
4. I see only 3 teams I am interested in. GSW, Bulls, Cavs
5. But I won't sign an extension with any of them. I want them to give up their most prized future assets, and then I'll decide next season if I still want to play for them. Even if I do still want to play for them, I will leverage free agency to get the biggest contract available, and if they don;t give in to my demands i am gone.

The more i see this farce unfold, the less interested I am. I say run away as fast as you can from this guy. If you can be a 3rd party in a trade that sends him elsewhere and allows you to get the wing you need...go for it.

This guy is a total egomaniac.

[DRoseCantStop]

This guy is a total egomaniac.

Him and Melo.

[Future Coach]

You all realize that under the current CBA it makes no sense for a player to sign an extension as he can't sign for as many years? The way the CBA works is that the player must become a free agent to sign for a longer, more lucrative, deal. It is the exact same thing Aldridge is doing.


But you all also realize that he won't be traded for at least another 2 weeks right?

[Mech Engineer]

So to summarize:

1. I want out of Minnesota.
2. i want out of Minnesota before my contract with them is up.
3. I only want to go to a team with a chance at a championship.
4. I see only 3 teams I am interested in. GSW, Bulls, Cavs
5. But I won't sign an extension with any of them. I want them to give up their most prized future assets, and then I'll decide next season if I still want to play for them. Even if I do still want to play for them, I will leverage free agency to get the biggest contract available, and if they don;t give in to my demands i am gone.

The more i see this farce unfold, the less interested I am. I say run away as fast as you can from this guy. If you can be a 3rd party in a trade that sends him elsewhere and allows you to get the wing you need...go for it.

This guy is a total egomaniac.

One thing we have seen with frustrated superstars is the amount of failure on their original teams. LeBron, Melo, Garnett, Howard etc... atleast made the playoffs, lost in the playoffs to get frustrated. I don't even know where Love is in that part of the process. He has not even made the playoffs. He has to understand what it takes to win in the second round/conf finals etc.. before winning a championship.

And, he has not even experienced getting swept in the first round. He is not a plug and play player for any team, IMO. You would need a lot of patience with this guy. If he is not even ready to commit, it is a big problem for a franchise.

And, Minnesota probably shouldn't care to get junk pieces either. Toronto got back on track after losing Bosh for nothing.

[TheJordanRule]

Waiters: He has had a PER of 13.7 and 14.0. TS% of 49.2% and 50.8%. He is a known headcase. As he plays now, you don't want him on your team.

He does have some skills that might be able to get polished into a productive NBA player but as a Tyrus Thomas type headcase, you have to strongly question if that is going to happen.

Can people see why some posters aren't too enthralled about trading for him?

Right now Waiters is like a poor man's version of Lance Stephenson. You get the attitude problems but none of the helpful team playmaking (rather more selfish attitude on offense actually) nor the high efficiency scoring.

For me, I'd far rather have had Stehpenson and Taj than Waiters and Gasol.

But Waiters is 22, so you'd have to bet on that he would make that same next progression that Stephenson made his last season at 23. I think that's a dubious thing to count on, a gamble, when the team is already in a gamble position with McDermott and Mirotic this year, to provide the needed offense.

CF and Re, the two of you have changed my mind. I was one of the few people supporting a move for this guy, but you're right... the character concerns are much larger with Waiters and the skill and upside is way smaller. Would the two of you be against a deal where we flip Taj for Tristan Thompson and Waiters, then flip Waiters + Dunleavy for a good SG (JJ Reddick, Jamal Crawford, Gerald Green, or even Kevin Martin)?

A line up of
Noah / TT
Gasol / Mirotic
Butler / McBuckets
Reddick / Snell
Rose / Brooks

We consolidate talent, turning Taj into a genuine playmaking SG, while adding Tristan to replace Taj.

[panthermark]

You all realize that under the current CBA it makes no sense for a player to sign an extension as he can't sign for as many years? The way the CBA works is that the player must become a free agent to sign for a longer, more lucrative, deal. It is the exact same thing Aldridge is doing.


But you all also realize that he won't be traded for at least another 2 weeks right?

We get that....but the difference is that LMA isn't trying to force his way out, nor is he longing to get back to souther Cali....where a certain popular team (Lakers) just so happens to have max cap room.

If wants the most money....stay in Minny.
If he wants out, sign the extension.

LMA has already stated he will opt out and re-sign, strictly for financial reasons. Unless Love publically states that regardless of the season, he WILL re-sign with whatever team he goes to...F him.

Plus LMA is already on the Blazers...they really have no choice in the matter, nor are giving up assets for him.

[cubd8]

I think that Love would resign with those teams, although the Dwight Howard situation makes you pretty leery of it. For the Bulls it is risky because without a healthy Rose, the Bulls aren't that great. It is also risky because Love doesn't exactly play defense the greatest, and Thibs is a hard ass for defense, so it's possible they wouldn't coexist very well. It would really suck to give up McDermott and MIrotic for a 1 year rental of Love. It would be nice to keep them both and give up Gasol and Gibson instead, along with Snell and picks (which I don't put much stock in since I assume they'd be late if the Bulls stay healthy). I'd prefer to keep the young guys, so if Love does bolt, we aren't out much long-term....just a couple old dudes and we'd still have McDermott and Mirotic to build around for the foreseeable future. Yes I know you can't trade Gasol until December.

I think it's a good guess that Love would sign long-term with Cleveland or Chicago, but the risk of trading for somebody who won't commit does set yourself potentially for a huge fall. What happens if Chicago trades McDermott, Mirotic and Gibson for Love, but the season doesn't go as expected? Does Love re-consider his options if he feels there's a better chance to win elsewhere and still get a max deal from another team (even if Chicago can pay the most)?

I wouldn't be too confident about Love re-signing in Cleveland. What if he doesn't like being Lebron's Chris Bosh?

Love is an exceptional shooter though, better than Bosh. He'd fit right into the offense, doing what he does best. Bosh evolved into a 3rd option, sitting in the corner. With James and Irving, Love would put up his usual numbers.

[organix85]

So to summarize:

1. I want out of Minnesota.
2. i want out of Minnesota before my contract with them is up.
3. I only want to go to a team with a chance at a championship.
4. I see only 3 teams I am interested in. GSW, Bulls, Cavs
5. But I won't sign an extension with any of them. I want them to give up their most prized future assets, and then I'll decide next season if I still want to play for them. Even if I do still want to play for them, I will leverage free agency to get the biggest contract available, and if they don;t give in to my demands i am gone.

The more i see this farce unfold, the less interested I am. I say run away as fast as you can from this guy. If you can be a 3rd party in a trade that sends him elsewhere and allows you to get the wing you need...go for it.

This guy is a total egomaniac.

I've not kept track here so thanks for this.

If #5 is true... his trade value will plummet. You are now talking trades without Klay or Wiggins.

[Mbrahv0528]

I can understand that from Love's POV, but it also makes him a severe D-bag.

If it is straight up about the money, you don't force your way out a year early.
Then again, it was also Minny's fault on his last contract.....

It would make him a bit of a d bag. My uneducated guess is, he probably is a bit of a d bag.

If true, Lakers are probably enjoying this, sitting out there with all that prospective cap space next summer.

Ummm why on earth would anyone listen to what Brian **** Windbag says?? Especially when it doesn't pertain to the Heat or Lbj? You all do know that he has no NBA sources, he stalks Lebron..but knows little of anything besides that, right?

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[panthermark]

I've not kept track here so thanks for this.

If #5 is true... his trade value will plummet. You are now talking trades without Klay or Wiggins.

Yup...the offers would basically be:

Golden State - Lee/Barnes

Cleveland - Bennett/Thompson

Chicago - Taj/MDJ/Snell

Have fun with that Minny.....

[TheStig]

So to summarize:

1. I want out of Minnesota.
2. i want out of Minnesota before my contract with them is up.
3. I only want to go to a team with a chance at a championship.
4. I see only 3 teams I am interested in. GSW, Bulls, Cavs
5. But I won't sign an extension with any of them. I want them to give up their most prized future assets, and then I'll decide next season if I still want to play for them. Even if I do still want to play for them, I will leverage free agency to get the biggest contract available, and if they don;t give in to my demands i am gone.

The more i see this farce unfold, the less interested I am. I say run away as fast as you can from this guy. If you can be a 3rd party in a trade that sends him elsewhere and allows you to get the wing you need...go for it.

This guy is a total egomaniac.

He won't sign an extension this summer because next summer he is eligible for 30% of the cap instead of 25%. Why lose 5% right off the bat. I'm sure he will give strong assurances to whoever he gets traded too.

[Stratmaster]

So to summarize:

1. I want out of Minnesota.
2. i want out of Minnesota before my contract with them is up.
3. I only want to go to a team with a chance at a championship.
4. I see only 3 teams I am interested in. GSW, Bulls, Cavs
5. But I won't sign an extension with any of them. I want them to give up their most prized future assets, and then I'll decide next season if I still want to play for them. Even if I do still want to play for them, I will leverage free agency to get the biggest contract available, and if they don;t give in to my demands i am gone.

The more i see this farce unfold, the less interested I am. I say run away as fast as you can from this guy. If you can be a 3rd party in a trade that sends him elsewhere and allows you to get the wing you need...go for it.

This guy is a total egomaniac.

He won't sign an extension this summer because next summer he is eligible for 30% of the cap instead of 25%. Why lose 5% right off the bat. I'm sure he will give strong assurances to whoever he gets traded too.

Exactly. "I want out of my contract. I want to pick the team I go to. I want all the risk to be with everyone else involved and all the reward to be with me. I won't take a dime less than I would get if I actually HONORED my contract". Screw him.

[Jordan45822]

Got Sportscenter alert that Timberwolves are trying to acquire Thaddeus Young as a potential KL replacement.

I believe Sixers have interest in Waiters so probably some three way between Wolves/76ers/Cavs

[panthermark]

Got Sportscenter alert that Timberwolves are trying to acquire Thaddeus Young as a potential KL replacement.

I believe Sixers have interest in Waiters so probably some three way between Wolves/76ers/Cavs

I could see the 76'ers wanting Waiters. I can't see the T-Wolves actually thinking Young is some sort of replacement.

Probably more misdirection/leverage through media.

Fine by be as long as we get Martin for cheap (if a deal does go down and we don't get Love...and we keep Taj).

[cubd8]

I'm sure this is a huge hold up in all of the talks.

No committment?

No Klay
No Wiggins
No McD/Mirotic

I can understand it from the side of all 4 teams involved.

If I'm Minny, I'm not moving him for 3 cents on the dollar. I might as well keep him and see how the season goes.

If I'm one of the other teams, I'm not giving up major, major assets for a possible 1 year rental.

Love is being a bit of a d-bag here. If you are going to force your way out, be willing to commit to a new team. It sounds like what he wants is out of Minny, but only to certain teams, and he still wants the ability to be a free agent at the end of the season. I don't know if he wants it for max money, but with LA (and even NY) having tons of cap room....I would not trade major assets without that committment.

Exactly how I see it too. He might end up seeing himself in Minnesota this season at this rate. If I'm the Wolves, I hold onto him and hope that with Saunders as the coach now, and a pretty talented roster anyway if they stay healthy, the season will be a success and Love will be convinced to stay with the Wolves, especially considering they can give him a lot more money than anyone else can. That is, of course, if teams can't get a commitment from him and the offers for him are garbage. If you get the offer of McDermott, Mirotic and Gibson, I'd have to do that trade. A guaranteed option of those 3, versus the longshot of Love staying, it's kind of a no brainer. I did read that Mirotic was assured he wouldn't be traded by Chicago when he signed the contract, so I question if he'd be part of the trade deal anyway though.

I'm sure the Bulls told him they look forward to a long career in Chicago, and that they have no plans to trade him, but if a superstar player becomes available, things change.

I hope the Bulls wouldn't guarantee an unproven, NBA rookie that they wouldn't move him.

I think David Haugh has indicated that trading Mirotic is somehow dis-loyal, but that's a pretty ridiculous position to take.

[cubd8]

Putting on my conspiracy cap, I could see this being more of a ploy by Love's camp to push Minny into making a deal and not dragging their feet. They are basically devaluing him a smidge so that Minny can't justify its grandiose demands if Love doesn't commit to an extension.

I find that extremely hard to believe.

Windhorst said on ESPN radio last week that he strongly doubts Love will sign with a team if traded. Financially, it makes no sense.

I would have to think that neither Cleveland or Chicago would pull the trigger if they didn't at least have a verbal committment that Love would re-sign with them when he hits free agency for the max. It's pretty simple. The team that trades for him can give him the most money and he'd either want to sign with this team or not.

Why would they be satisfied with a verbal agreement? If Love wants to resign in Cleveland or Chicago for the max, why not sign it right away? It protects him in case of injury and he'd get the full Bird rights.

[Jordan45822]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11277 ... kevin-love

latest on KL

[DRoseCantStop]

Sigh.