OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[TimRobbins]

The bigger boards have what, 20-30 regular posters and they representative of entire fanbases?

If you had a product you want to market, would you want your product associated with Derrick Rose at this point?

Probably not, but that would be because of the injuries, not because he had sex.

Probably both.

[Revived]

It ain't fun unless the homies can have some

[ChosunX]

If you had a product you want to market, would you want your product associated with Derrick Rose at this point?

Probably not, but that would be because of the injuries, not because he had sex.

Probably both.

Harden says hi.

[TimRobbins]

Probably not, but that would be because of the injuries, not because he had sex.

Probably both.

Harden says hi.

Did Harden pimp his GF to his friends and was sued for sexual abuse?

[League Circles]

if your daughter or sister was drunk and drugged to the point of needing to be carried into the house by the cab driver just moments before this happened would you be ok with that? Because that is her story and it looks like she has a cab driver to back her up. she has one of the guys texting an apology a month later. Depending on the amount of alcohol and excatasy/molly one is drugged up on you can literally be out of your mind. and yeah, you're right. I dont think Rose ever cared one iota for this girl and I dont think one is capable of consenting when drugged up or drunk to the point of not being able to walk into your house.

If my daughter or sister were that intoxicated I would first and foremost be disappointed in them if it allowed them to misuse their judgement sexually. Id be disgusted by the guys she was screwing but I wouldn't claim they raped her by default.

To me, consent is given implicitly by performing an act unless made to do it by force. What if both parties are equally intoxicated? Can they both claim sexual assault?

Did she consent to the cab ride? If not, was it kidnapping? Rose's response said she was up early the next morning, met a friend for coffee before work, and was at work on time. Not sure it's likely she was all that crazy drunk.

i dont know...people drink...people experiment in drugs. it happens. lets hope your daughter and sister have sense enough to not hang with men that will gang bang them when they are intoxicated. if you have never tried molly, I have. I dont recommend it to anyone. And please dont try it. But, Let me explain how it works. You end up really really really incapable to feel anything but pure pleasure and joy for about 1-2 hours...and if you take enough combined with alcohol you end on the highest of cloud nine that you can imagine...every single idea sounds like a good idea...including possibly an orgy...even if you would never ever ever in a million years consent to it sober...if sober you know for sure its not your thing, you could still (perhaps likley?)go for it if drunk enough or on enough molly.

I don't really know what this anecdote is supposed to mean. I'll just say that a lot of people use these intoxicants and know about their effects, and a lot of other people don't and thus don't have to worrry about their effects. Of course there are things we'd consent to when we're in one mood that we wouldn't consent to in another mood. A mood that we elected to get ourselves into. If she was drugged it could have been voluntary or it might not have been. By the way your account of exstacy is not exactly what everyone feels on it.

And its easy to spike a drink or shot with molly, you cant see it nor really taste it in a shot and once you swallow a shot its down anyway even if you did taste it.

If I follow her allegations correctly, this girl alleges that that spiked her drink. She got sick and dizzy and knew they spiked it and then left. She went home in a cab/uber. She was so wasted the driver helped her into her house. The drugs set in for a while...seems like about an hour...Rose and his 4 friends then went to her house and gang raped her according to her.

I ask again, if this happened to your sister or daughter even with Derrick frickin rose would you blindly believe that your daughter or sister was just bitter about being cut off or motivated by money only...or would you want a full court press investigation?

That's not what you asked. You asked if I would be OK with her having sex with a group of guys while intoxicated. If anyone claimed rape ever, anywhere, I would advocate a full investigation and I would not blindly believe either party. I don't blindly believe either party here. Though if I had to bet I'd bet that it wasn't what I'd consider rape. The biggest reason for this is that she chose not to have an investigation by not reporting it to law enforcement.

And then the classness of Rose in his defense..."she was bitter because he wouldnt pay for a sex toy?" I mean come on...even if it wasn't rape on some level which i doubt, then there were certainly other things he promised her...perhaps even to pay for it which he is disguising as paying for a sex toy. I mean there's too much smoke here...there was once a fire.

If he was supposed to pay her for the gang bang then she's a prostitute. In that case he should pay her what was agreed on.

In response to all allegations of this on media day, Rose said, " I live in the moment and I am not going to stop living in the moment. I MADE A MISTAKE but I am going to just learn from it and move on and continue to live my life the way I want to live my life...I love my life."

Think about that.

He's likely referring to the mistake of getting involved with her at all. Making bad friends is a mistake.

[League Circles]

Abuse? We have no idea what happened or if he was even abusive. What if there is a woman in every marketing team? It's still about the cha-ching at the end of the day.

Yes, so to paraphrase, Derrick Rose is bad for the cha-ching and no sane person would his product to be associated with him.

Just FYI, Rose is currently #3 in jersey sales only behind Curry and Lebron. Hell, with news of the group sex confirmed, his popularity may explode further in Japan, for example.

[ChosunX]

Probably both.

Harden says hi.

Did Harden pimp his GF to his friends and was sued for sexual abuse?

She is just a hookup as far as i understand it, innocent till proven guilty. Also there is a bigger stigma about ''pimping'' your casual hookup compared to paying for sex?

[TimRobbins]

She is just a hookup as far as i understand it, innocent till proven guilty. Also there is a bigger stigma about ''pimping'' your casual hookup compared to paying for sex?

Yes.

[Red Larrivee]

imo, no

Waited for this man, for years, while he rehabbed. Had his back. Every time he fell. We even supported his decision to SIT OUT for the rest of a season when he was fine.

He pays his city back by speaking of his next pay day.

TWO years from now. Unprovoked.

Nah, nothing likable about him at all imo either. That was a serious slap in the face to the fanbase.

He's done more for this city than most of the fans, that's for damn sure. Or have you forgot the very substantial acts of charityand compassion?

It's funny because the loud minority on RealGM that dislikes Rose is a quiet minority overall. People just can't grasp how many people still love Rose, especially inner city kids and teens with hopes of getting out bad neighborhoods with their basketball skills.

"Yeah I hate that Derrick Rose. He has group sex and didn't come back from his injury on time. Get off my lawn!"

Top 5 in jersey sales and the highest non-Nike/Jordan affiliated shoe sales in the U.S...Rose's popularity is immense and this story hasn't been the attention grabber that his antagonists were hoping for.

[Red Larrivee]

IMO and opinions of others I've spoken with, this all makes him a cancer to this organization. If he really cared about his city, he'd walk away. Let this team tough it out with another point guard with dignity and without disturbing distractions.

It's his private life. It's so weird that people act like athletes need to be robots and adhere to some naive, goody two shoes image.

Rose is not any less of a person because he enjoys group sex. You are not any more of a person because you don't. As long as it was consensual, then why does it matter in your judgment of him? He's not here to preach and confirm morals to adults

[blumeany]

This whole situation is just another log in the fire. If this were the only thing about Rose, and his on-the-court and basketball life were fine and dandy, this wouldn't be as big of an issue. It would be another case of a pro athlete abusing his power, sadly.

[greenl]

Multiple gaffes, whatever. All I know is that whatever he has said hasn't warranted nearly the level of hate that he has gotten. I'm not angry about skepticism or leeriness; I'm angry about character assassination and people trying to paint this guy like some sort of villain or jackass - this guy about whom all you ever hear from teammates and coaches is that he's one of the most hard-working and friendly people they've known.

In an ideal world, I would like to be able to fairly criticize Rose. I could say a lot about how unthoughtful some of his comments have been (though I've always thought he meant well with the things he said), but I would do so without condemning his character or forgetting about the reasons I'm his fan. It's the over-the-top, sweeping negative reactions that force me into the ardent defender role.

Two thoughts on your response: 1) Nothing is forcing you to White Knight for Rose- you do it of your own volition. 2) Do you see the irony of condemning over-the-top reactions and concurrently claiming Bulls fans hate Rose and have assassinated his character?

[RememberLu]

Probably not, but that would be because of the injuries, not because he had sex.

Probably both.

Harden says hi.

Are those all 1's wrapped together?

[ChosunX]

This whole situation is just another log in the fire. If this were the only thing about Rose, and his on-the-court and basketball life were fine and dandy, this wouldn't be as big of an issue. It would be another case of a pro athlete abusing his power, sadly.

What other thing is about Rose? He wants play better to get max money, professional pride, nothing wrong with that.

[ChosunX]

She is just a hookup as far as i understand it, innocent till proven guilty. Also there is a bigger stigma about ''pimping'' your casual hookup compared to paying for sex?

Yes.

Why?

[pb-ceo]

Pretty clear to me, she wants the money. Why didn't she press charges? Wouldn't you want these guys in jail?

true. she wants the money. and you know what? she's going to get PAID. thanks to the lack of judgement by a certain mvp. not only that he damaged his own reputation, that of the bulls, and hurt his future earning power. i hope a good time was had by all because it may prove "costly".

[Red Larrivee]

This whole situation is just another log in the fire. If this were the only thing about Rose, and his on-the-court and basketball life were fine and dandy, this wouldn't be as big of an issue. It would be another case of a pro athlete abusing his power, sadly.

The worst thing you can say about Rose is that he has become overly cautious about his injuries. I don't blame him because people forget that in 2011-12, Rose gutted himself through turf toe, hamstring, ankle and back injuries. That all culminated with an ACL tear. Playing through injuries is not always a positive.

I don't find being cautious about your body to be some damning quality. So I fail to see this fire that Rose has supposedly created.

Rose wants to make as much money possible at his job.
Rose cares about the long term health of his body.
Rose enjoys a good gangbang every now and then.

What a terrible person.

[ChosunX]

Pretty clear to me, she wants the money. Why didn't she press charges? Wouldn't you want these guys in jail?

true. she wants the money. and you know what? she's going to get PAID. thanks to the lack of judgement by a certain mvp. not only that he damaged his own reputation, that of the bulls, and hurt his future earning power. i hope a good time was had by all because it may prove "costly".

When you have all that money you won't be able to recognize every predator. He is not a superhuman.

[ChosunX]

Waited for this man, for years, while he rehabbed. Had his back. Every time he fell. We even supported his decision to SIT OUT for the rest of a season when he was fine.

He pays his city back by speaking of his next pay day.

TWO years from now. Unprovoked.

Nah, nothing likable about him at all imo either. That was a serious slap in the face to the fanbase.

He's done more for this city than most of the fans, that's for damn sure. Or have you forgot the very substantial acts of charityand compassion?

It's funny because the loud minority on RealGM that dislikes Rose is a quiet minority overall. People just can't grasp how many people still love Rose, especially inner city kids and teens with hopes of getting out bad neighborhoods with their basketball skills.

I think a precious few of them get to be pro ballers or get paid well enough to get out, but it's nice for them to see someone who is acting like just another dude.

[pb-ceo]

IMO and opinions of others I've spoken with, this all makes him a cancer to this organization. If he really cared about his city, he'd walk away. Let this team tough it out with another point guard with dignity and without disturbing distractions.

It's his private life. It's so weird that people act like athletes need to be robots and adhere to some naive, goody two shoes image.

Rose is not any less of a person because he enjoys group sex. You are not any more of a person because you don't. As long as it was consensual, then why does it matter in your judgment of him? He's not here to preach and confirm morals to adults

well there are gray areas right? we don't know how consensual it was. we may find out soon though. not sure why the rose can do no wrong fan club are so up in arms that other people see it differently than they do. people have different morals, different opinions about what is right behavior and what is wrong. it may not sync up with yours. we all can make our own judgments. people are as free to look at him negatively as you are too look at everything he does positively.