2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably)

[StunnerKO]

Watch on YouTube

Need


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[StunnerKO]

Read on Twitter

?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Dresden]

Read on Twitter

?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

The kid is flashy. He'll definitely be a marketing bonanza.

[The Box Office]

If we luck into the Top 4 picks then that means that LaMelo is in play depending on which team is ahead of us.

I'm VERY sure that Coby White will not become the facilitator/distributor. As in a guy consistently averaging 7 assists per game. That's simply not his game. Right now, to me, White is a shot jacking ball hog. He comes in the game and panics looking for his own shot. I definitely wouldn't pass him the ball if I was his teammate. His 2.7 rookie assists average is putrid. He actually has no business being the point guard. His shot jacking ball hoggin' ways is bench player status. He wants the ball back? He better get steals and rebounds.

I'm not comparing. This is just reference. John Stockton was a bench guy during his rookie year. And he managed to average 5.1 assists anyway. If White was averaging 4 assists per game, from the bench, then I wouldn't have said anything because that's a great sign for Coby to become this team's play maker.

If we luck into LaMelo/Killian/Haliburton (especially LaMelo), take him regardless of Coby and Zach LaVine's status. This draft is guard heavy. The Basketball Gods are trying to tell us something with that.

We do not have a reliable facilitator. Our front court sucks, too.

It comes down to new management's opinion on BPA when we draft. I draft the guard with crazy court vision. Always. Those types are hard to land. Disagree? Try finding a Stockton, Kidd, Mark Jackson, Magic, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Westbrook, Rondo, Nash, Penny, Luka, Isiah Thomas, Trae, and hell, even Rod Strickland. It's difficult.

We can always land a big. However, a big with guard skills and defense? That's when I choose the big over the guard.

LaMelo is a great fit. His passing is crazy sick. It's actually really extraordinary. He's demonstrating passes that no one else in this draft class AND last year's draft class can do. The interesting thing about LaMelo is he's also a natural scorer (despite his shooting), but he rather pass the ball and see his teammates happy. He can put on 30+ points if he wanted. He's also pretty good at tapping out rebounds to keep the offense alive, which is unique, too.

His defense? Yes, he needs to work on it. Comes down to effort.
Injuries? That's unpredictable as hell and I don't want to speculate. All players go through this.

I can tell you did not watch a bulls game this year or do not understand basketball well. White has a lot to learn but he’s definitely not a ball hog. You actually just described somebody like Antonio Blankley. He actually tried to run an offense. But he fell into the same problem that Lavine had. Most of the time he played with guys like Sato who sucked ass at getting there own shot and was scared as hell to shoot. White started to come on at the end of the season before everything was canceled. He might not ever be an elite passer but he was starting to distribute the ball pretty well at the end of the season. Bulls don’t need a pass first point guard. There’s hardly any of those starting in the NBA right now anyway.

I agree- the pg who is primarily a distributor is a dying breed in the nba. You don't need to average 7 assists a game. Derick Rose only did that twice in his career. His career average is 5.6. Coby could definitely do that.

Not that I would frown upon having a great passer at pg, but I think a bigger need are guys who can make shots, and create for themselves.

Coby White's chances of improving from 2.7 assists average to average 6 assists per game are low. I give the kid only 2.7 percent chance. We need bigger guys who can make shots? It's gonna be hard for them to get shot attempts when they don't get the ball.

I think it's too late for Coby though. His 2.7 assists average is too abysmal when he got 26 minutes of game time per game. It's too detrimental for me. Face it, Coby is a ball hog at the point guard position. For reference, John Paxson, coming from the bench averaged 21 minutes a game and he still got 3.7 assists in the slow down half court big man camp in 1985-1986.

Pass first point guards are a dying breed? Then who are these guys currently?

Kyle Lowry
Malcolm Brogdon
Ricky Rubio
Luka Doncic
Ben Simmons
Lonzo Ball
Devonte' Graham (2nd round, Pick #34)

Trae Young has to pass somewhere to average 9.3 assists.

Even BJ Armstrong didn't come in and hurried up shots in limited minutes. He wasn't a dynamic play maker, but he definitely didn't hog the ball.

Also, Ben Gordon. He averaged only 2 assists per game in his rookie year, which is bad. I should have known at the time. I know NOW. He was never a play making point guard. He had no chance to over take Kirk Hinrich. Gordon didn't improve that much with his passing. This looks like Coby White's trajectory. You know what's sad? Coby White couldn't beat Sato for the starting point guard position. What does that show you?

Devonte' Graham is a super interesting player. During his rookie year, he averaged 2.6 assists. Laughable, right? Yeah. Until you look at his minutes. He averaged 14.7 minutes per game. So Devonte' averaged nearly as much as Coby White with only 14.7 minutes of action. Yikes. What is Coby's excuse?

It's no wonder why Graham is blowing up right now with 18.2 points per game and 7.5 assists with starter minutes. Coby White being compared to Gilbert Arenas is lame. I don't know why some mock drafts were doing that. One scout said it and the rest of the internet ran with it. That's why comparisons are ridiculous. I try not to do it.

If Coby White does this again next year? I would present him in trade packages as "trade filler" as one executive said somewhere recently.

BTW, to not get ahead of ourselves...Coby White is not going to transform into an Allen Iverson/Trae Young type player. That's not happening.

[Andi Obst]

I think the "Can Coby be a true PG?"-discussion is and always was pretty pointless. To me, he never looked like he can be a lead ball handler on a good team, but like 95% of all NBA players can't. That doesn't mean Coby can't be a good NBA player. His shooting (in catch and shoot situations as well as off the dribble) can still be extremely valuable and he has the potential to be at least serviceable on defense IMO. In terms of creating shots for himself and others we should not forget that he a) is still a rookie and b) played with a poorly constructed team with a very bad coach. People here hate Jim Boylen - and I understand why - but also love to bash our young players when coaching is such an important part of their development. I don't understand that.

Coby played with a lot of bench lineups with absolutely 0 offensive potential and was asked to create something. The rookies who just go out there and do that efficiently don't get drafted at 7. Let's just be patient and hope that we get a new competent coaching staff.

[Dresden]

Coby averaged 4.5 assists his last 10 games when he was playing well and starting. So why is it such a leap of faith to think he couldn't go from that to 6 assists per game?

It's also hard comparing assists now to previous eras, because the scoring is up so much right now. If John Stockton were playing today, he'd be getting 15 a game.

[Dan Z]

Coby White's chances of improving from 2.7 assists average to average 6 assists per game are low. I give the kid only 2.7 percent chance. We need bigger guys who can make shots? It's gonna be hard for them to get shot attempts when they don't get the ball.

I think it's too late for Coby though. His 2.7 assists average is too abysmal when he got 26 minutes of game time per game. It's too detrimental for me. Face it, Coby is a ball hog at the point guard position. For reference, John Paxson, coming from the bench averaged 21 minutes a game and he still got 3.7 assists in the slow down half court big man camp in 1985-1986.

Pass first point guards are a dying breed? Then who are these guys currently?

Kyle Lowry
Malcolm Brogdon
Ricky Rubio
Luka Doncic
Ben Simmons
Lonzo Ball
Devonte' Graham (2nd round, Pick #34)

Trae Young has to pass somewhere to average 9.3 assists.

Even BJ Armstrong didn't come in and hurried up shots in limited minutes. He wasn't a dynamic play maker, but he definitely didn't hog the ball.

Also, Ben Gordon. He averaged only 2 assists per game in his rookie year, which is bad. I should have known at the time. I know NOW. He was never a play making point guard. He had no chance to over take Kirk Hinrich. Gordon didn't improve that much with his passing. This looks like Coby White's trajectory. You know what's sad? Coby White couldn't beat Sato for the starting point guard position. What does that show you?

Devonte' Graham is a super interesting player. During his rookie year, he averaged 2.6 assists. Laughable, right? Yeah. Until you look at his minutes. He averaged 14.7 minutes per game. So Devonte' averaged nearly as much as Coby White with only 14.7 minutes of action. Yikes. What is Coby's excuse?

It's no wonder why Graham is blowing up right now with 18.2 points per game and 7.5 assists with starter minutes. Coby White being compared to Gilbert Arenas is lame. I don't know why some mock drafts were doing that. One scout said it and the rest of the internet ran with it. That's why comparisons are ridiculous. I try not to do it.

If Coby White does this again next year? I would present him in trade packages as "trade filler" as one executive said somewhere recently.

BTW, to not get ahead of ourselves...Coby White is not going to transform into an Allen Iverson/Trae Young type player. That's not happening.

You already gave up on him? He just turned 20 in February.

Putting him in a trade as "filler" next year would be ridiculous. He has potential. Is he going to be a guard with high assist numbers?Probably not, but that doesn't mean he's a lost cause. If you do trade him at least get some value back.

[PaKii94]

Coby averaged 4.5 assists his last 10 games when he was playing well and starting. So why is it such a leap of faith to think he couldn't go from that to 6 assists per game?

It's also hard comparing assists now to previous eras, because the scoring is up so much right now. If John Stockton were playing today, he'd be getting 15 a game.

It's all about opportunity. Before the all star break he was used as a shooting guard/pure scorer. After the all star break he was a lead guard and was at 4.5 assists. When Lavine went down and Coby became THE lead guard (last 5 games) Coby was averaging 6 assists (and 2.0 a/to ratio)

He's shown a small snippet of the potential that is there. He just needs to be properly utilized.

[drosereturn]

I think the "Can Coby be a true PG?"-discussion is and always was pretty pointless. To me, he never looked like he can be a lead ball handler on a good team, but like 95% of all NBA players can't. That doesn't mean Coby can't be a good NBA player. His shooting (in catch and shoot situations as well as off the dribble) can still be extremely valuable and he has the potential to be at least serviceable on defense IMO. In terms of creating shots for himself and others we should not forget that he a) is still a rookie and b) played with a poorly constructed team with a very bad coach. People here hate Jim Boylen - and I understand why - but also love to bash our young players when coaching is such an important part of their development. I don't understand that.

Coby played with a lot of bench lineups with absolutely 0 offensive potential and was asked to create something. The rookies who just go out there and do that efficiently don't get drafted at 7. Let's just be patient and hope that we get a new competent coaching staff.

How is it pointless when PG is the most imp position heart engine of your team? So your logic is since 95% sucks, we should keep someone who sucks and be happy with it?
Not being able to be a lead ball handler literally puts the entire team to hostage. We already have that kind of player you just described in Zach freaking Lavine making 20 and max soon. We dont need another guy doing the same thing thats not valued in the league and not fixing the most imp problem which is motion offense. White doesnt have to be Magic but Steph is a good standard for him.

[Andi Obst]

How is it pointless when PG is the most imp position heart engine of your team?

Your lead ball handler, "engine of your team", whatever you want to call it, doesn't have to be your point guard. In fact, that's the case for many, if not most, really good teams right now. I'm saying that Coby can be a nice complementary player because of his potential combination of shooting, defense and secondary creation.

So your logic is since 95% sucks, we should keep someone who sucks and be happy with it? Not being able to be a lead ball handler literally puts the entire team to hostage.

I'm not saying that 95% of all players suck, I'm saying they can't be lead ball handlers on good teams. That's not an insult. Not everyone can be LeBron, Giannis or Luka obviously. That doesn't mean that the other 95% of players can't be valuable to your team, though. The fact that we still lack a lead ball handler doesn't mean that Coby is holding the team back or anything. Some may have to adjust their expectations and we need to continue to search for that main guy, but that doesn't mean we should give up on Coby becoming a valuable part of our future.

[Dresden]

As far as generating assists, the two extremes, or two ways of getting assists, are 1) you are a gifted passer like Chris Paul who can break down defenses and have a knack for setting up your teammates. or 2) you are a good creator for yourself, and a dangerous scorer, which leads to defenses keying on you, or helping on you, which leaves other guys open, and then you are decent at finding those guys for good looks. This also in contingent on those other guys being able to shoot the ball. I put Lebron in this category. And I think Coby could function this way, too, and get 6 assists per game doing so.

The key is having a lot of guys on the floor who can space the floor and make defenses pay for leaving them open. We have far too few of these type of players right now, which is why I think a guy like Nesmith would be a good pick, if his shooting is as good as it appears to be.

[ChiSox]

Coby played the two guard on offense most of the season. His role was to get buckets. He played with Dunn, Arcidiacono and Satoransky. Heck even when he played with LaVine, he was off the ball. We really don’t know what Coby’s assist numbers would look like if he was on the ball, in a D’Antoni type system.

Some folks say you are who you defend. Coby did defended the point guard on defense most of the time.

[No-Man]

Would also love an additional mid-late 1st rounder with which we can draft Tyrell Terry.

Another small guard?

High IQ guard that is a potentially elite shooter (off dribble and spotting up).

We have zero of those.

One Coby White?

[No-Man]

I like Abdoulaye N'Doye. Not sure he'd get drafted, but a 6'7 long armed PG? I like that clay.

N'Doye isn't a PG whatsoever though

[JohnnyTapwater]

I like Abdoulaye N'Doye. Not sure he'd get drafted, but a 6'7 long armed PG? I like that clay.

N'Doye isn't a PG whatsoever though

No he isn't, but he does brings the ball up the court and has decent vision. With that size? That's skill I'd take a chance on...

[TheSuzerain]

Another small guard?

High IQ guard that is a potentially elite shooter (off dribble and spotting up).

We have zero of those.

One Coby White?

Coby can be a good shooter but Terry clearly looks superior there. 90% from the FT line is elite.

And White didn’t exhibit good IQ this year at all. He played like a mindless gunner. People here will say that was his role. But the point remains we didn’t see much evidence of White playing heady basketball.

[gobullschi]

High IQ guard that is a potentially elite shooter (off dribble and spotting up).

We have zero of those.

One Coby White?

Coby can be a good shooter but Terry clearly looks superior there. 90% from the FT line is elite.

And White didn’t exhibit good IQ this year at all. He played like a mindless gunner. People here will say that was his role. But the point remains we didn’t see much evidence of White playing heady basketball.

It’s way too early to define Coby White as a defender, facilitator, and scorer.

[jump]

It's also way to early to define him as a mindless gunner.

[sco]

One Coby White?

Coby can be a good shooter but Terry clearly looks superior there. 90% from the FT line is elite.

And White didn’t exhibit good IQ this year at all. He played like a mindless gunner. People here will say that was his role. But the point remains we didn’t see much evidence of White playing heady basketball.

It’s way too early to define Coby White as a defender, facilitator, and scorer.

Coby did what I look for in rookies...show flashes. That's not to say he'll be a star or even a starter, but it give me comfort he won't be a bust...a lot of realizing future potential is about IQ and work ethic. That said, he isn't enough of a sure thing to not draft a PG with our pick if that guy is the BPA.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I think Coby is at his best in gun mode...

Distributors and facilitators help unlock his potential even further.

I hope the new coaching staff casts Coby for the right role.