coldfish wrote:dougthonus wrote:coldfish wrote:And 2/3 did not. If someone presents an opinion that is in the 1/3 area, they would be misleading the public if they didn't present it as such. It would almost be like they were . . .. lying.
Presumably, 1st world countries, such as this one, with the wealth and distribution networks to manage vaccination of their entire populations and do boosters would be the 1/3rd area wouldn't they?
Also, if you agree with the above statement, then why didn't you provide that context? Isn't your point then misleading?
83% of blood donors having anti-bodies is also ignoring the idea that almost none of them had Delta specific anti-bodies. If there is a new dominant variant every year, then I agree it will probably stick around. I just don't think it's a given Delta will be replaced in 6 months or that there will be a new variant every year that we can't keep ahead of with vaccines.
What you are saying to me is also totally viable and reasonable to me. Just not the only viable outcome IMO.
Please don't mix conversations that I'm having with Dresden. He isn't interested in serious conversations and is just trying to play for "gotcha" type moments. Anyone who is even vaguely aware of our pandemic response is aware that authorities have intentionally lied at times with the intent of manipulating the public.
The "malaria" type outcome isn't one that I have ever read for covid. That doesn't happen for rhinovirus / influenza / coronavirus type diseases where they stay localized.
Again, I really don't think we are on the same page and I'll take a lot of the blame for that because I'm organizing my thoughts poorly. I think there is a STRONG chance that we will be able to stay in front of this with vaccines if people choose to participate. I highly recommend that everyone get vaccinated.
Even in absence of that, eventually everyone is going to get natural immunity to covid. Coronaviruses mutate slowly so once you have that immunity, you tamp down severity.
This is an older article but it covers a lot of the scientific basics:“By far the most likely scenario is that the virus will continue to spread and infect most of the world population in a relatively short period of time,” says Stöhr, meaning one to two years. “Afterwards, the virus will continue to spread in the human population, likely forever.” Like the four generally mild human coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 would then circulate constantly and cause mainly mild upper respiratory tract infections, says Stöhr. For that reason, he adds, vaccines won’t be necessary.
Some previous studies support this argument. One10 showed that when people were inoculated with the common-cold coronavirus 229E, their antibody levels peaked two weeks later and were only slightly raised after a year. That did not prevent infections a year later, but subsequent infections led to few, if any, symptoms and a shorter period of viral shedding.
The OC43 coronavirus offers a model for where this pandemic might go. That virus also gives humans common colds, but genetic research from the University of Leuven in Belgium suggests that OC43 might have been a killer in the past11. That study indicates that OC43 spilled over to humans in around 1890 from cows, which got it from mice. The scientists suggest that OC43 was responsible for a pandemic that killed more than one million people worldwide in 1889–90 — an outbreak previously blamed on influenza. Today, OC43 continues to circulate widely and it might be that continual exposure to the virus keeps the great majority of people immune to it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01315-7
There is a lot of hedging at points in that article but a lot of people point to the section I just quoted as a likely long term outcome. That was May 2020 btw and Nature is a highly regarded scientific publication.
Anyone who has been reading this thread for awhile knows that I am very much into having serious discussions on the topic. But I have a low tolerance for condescending know it alls. I can't help but defend Fauci and our other health care officials when someone without a public health background, or a medical degree, arrogantly and without a factual basis claims they are lying to the american public and have done so repeatedly throughout the pandemic. And when I ask you for proof of your statements, then it's crickets...
