Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

[MalagaBulls]

Need to clean house and start over.

Clearly nobody in the building has a clue.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/draft.htm

Look at Pace's draft history and realize how comically bad it is.

This is the key element of Pace's failure. He has whiffed on so many FRP's and mortgaged the future by trading away draft capital when a better GM could have gotten better value. He has also resigned the wrong FA's all too often & crippled our future CAP by endless restructures due to mind blowing F'ups.

[Jeffster81]

Let's hope the Bulls can stay entertaining and keep winning because between the Bears and the Hawks, Chicago sports will be very uninteresting this season.

[Tetlak]

I have zero faith in Justin Fields to even give us average play this year. He's not ready.

And yes, I thought this way before the Bucs game.

Good thing we rushed him on to the field!

[dougthonus]

I will say it again we should had drafted Mac Jones

Possibly. Judging by the “offense” Nagy likes, I would not be surprised to learn that Nagy wanted Jones, but was overruled by Pace. This year is irrelevant to that choice however. Whoever coaches and staffs this future offense will have done the job of creating a framework around Fields when a fair judgment can be rendered.

Imagine trying to justify to yourself that Fields is better than Mac Jones today.

[fleet]

I will say it again we should had drafted Mac Jones

Possibly. Judging by the “offense” Nagy likes, I would not be surprised to learn that Nagy wanted Jones, but was overruled by Pace. This year is irrelevant to that choice however. Whoever coaches and staffs this future offense will have done the job of creating a framework around Fields when a fair judgment can be rendered.

Imagine trying to justify to yourself that Fields is better than Mac Jones today.

I know you’re not talking to me. I was admonished earlier in this thread for talking about how good Mac Jones is.

[dougthonus]

Possibly. Judging by the “offense” Nagy likes, I would not be surprised to learn that Nagy wanted Jones, but was overruled by Pace. This year is irrelevant to that choice however. Whoever coaches and staffs this future offense will have done the job of creating a framework around Fields when a fair judgment can be rendered.

Imagine trying to justify to yourself that Fields is better than Mac Jones today.

I know you’re not talking to me. I was admonished earlier in this thread for talking about how good Mac Jones is.

Then it would be surprising for you to rip on someone saying they wished we him over Fields.

[fleet]

Imagine trying to justify to yourself that Fields is better than Mac Jones today.

I know you’re not talking to me. I was admonished earlier in this thread for talking about how good Mac Jones is.

Then it would be surprising for you to rip on someone saying they wished we him over Fields.

Is that what I did?

[dougthonus]

I know you’re not talking to me. I was admonished earlier in this thread for talking about how good Mac Jones is.

Then it would be surprising for you to rip on someone saying they wished we him over Fields.

Is that what I did?

Reading again, probably unfair of me. I am cantankerous in the morning apparently.

[jmajew]

I didn't get to watch the game yesterday as I was at a wedding, but what is happening is the same thing that happened with Mitch in this system.

The Andy Reid system is great if you have a good O-Line, good position players, and a good QB. AKA you need good drafting because you can't afford to sign that many of those. Hence, the reason KC is now struggling offensively. If you do not have all three of those the system will fail.

It is time to blow this up and bring in Brian Daboll or Greg Roman. Those are the two OCs that can work with Fields. Sadly, Daboll is going to work wonders with Mitch. I could see him getting a HC gig next year and bring Mitch with him to be his starter.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Justin will be fine if he can get a coaching staff that will coach him. Defenses are doing the same thing they did against us when Trubisky was here. Its just going to be another stretch where Nagy places blame on the QB if we let it happen again. Pace needs to fix this or another one of his top QB picks will be wasted.

[Dresden]

Justin will be fine if he can get a coaching staff that will coach him. Defenses are doing the same thing they did against us when Trubisky was here. Its just going to be another stretch where Nagy places blame on the QB if we let it happen again. Pace needs to fix this or another one of his top QB picks will be wasted.

I don't think you can know if Fields will be any good or not. Right now he's just plain terrible. But no Bears QB has looked good for a long time, and it's because you can't play QB behind a terrible line. They have had about 8 years to fix that, with no results. They somewhat tried this year, in the draft, but as we can see that hasn't paid off yet.

The Pats have a very good line, so does Dallas, and it's no surprise their QB's both look great most of the time.

Until the Bears get that line fixed, it's just going to be a waste of time and effort on offense.

[Dresden]

Play action still underused in this offense. You might think with Herbert doing business there are opportunities for better play design. Every week.

Not against that pass rush, they'll be better next week but Tampa is a really bad matchup for Justin right now.

They'll beat the Niners and the Steelers. Those teams are ass. Worse than everybody we've faced besides the Lions.

And both of those teams are looking at the Bears and saying "Well, there's at least one game we should have no problem winning".

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Justin will be fine if he can get a coaching staff that will coach him. Defenses are doing the same thing they did against us when Trubisky was here. Its just going to be another stretch where Nagy places blame on the QB if we let it happen again. Pace needs to fix this or another one of his top QB picks will be wasted.

I don't think you can know if Fields will be any good or not. Right now he's just plain terrible. But no Bears QB has looked good for a long time, and it's because you can't play QB behind a terrible line. They have had about 8 years to fix that, with no results. They somewhat tried this year, in the draft, but as we can see that hasn't paid off yet.

The Pats have a very good line, so does Dallas, and it's no surprise their QB's both look great most of the time.

Until the Bears get that line fixed, it's just going to be a waste of time and effort on offense.

Of course we don't know if Fields will be good or not but you have to base the potential off what you see and you have to go into the development mode assuming this guy is going to be good otherwise whats the point. He has been terrible but just like any rookie that is getting blitzed and has no time to scan the field. We know the blitz is coming. Its not ALL on the oline to pick that up. Yes would be great to just fix the oline problems and have an oline like the Pats or the Cowboys . You don't just give up on developing and coaching or putting forth effort just because everybody's favorite easy fix is just replacing an oline.

We just need the coaches to teach through these times. We also need the coaches to adjust to what the defenses are doing. Throw out your genius game plan and adjust to what the opposition is doing. I don't want to see Justin sitting by himself on the sideline frustrated. I want someone over there teaching him. This isn't all on the coaching staff, I know. This also isn't all on the oline. Its not all on the QB either. Not one person can fix this. Its going to take work and time to get this going in the right direction but I do question the coaching staff atm. If I didn't see the Trubisky era I might not be so down on Nagy but I just hope history isn't repeating itself.

[Susan]

Play action still underused in this offense. You might think with Herbert doing business there are opportunities for better play design. Every week.

Not against that pass rush, they'll be better next week but Tampa is a really bad matchup for Justin right now.

They'll beat the Niners and the Steelers. Those teams are ass. Worse than everybody we've faced besides the Lions.

And both of those teams are looking at the Bears and saying "Well, there's at least one game we should have no problem winning".

Those teams have zero quality wins outside of Pittsburgh in Buffalo in week 1 where their defense played out of their mind. There's 5 elite teams in the NFC and the Bears have faced 3 of them already (2 on the road) and 2/4 Division leaders in the AFC.

Borom should be back soon, Montgomery is coming back, Herbert has emerged nicely - this is a team that can get ahead and hold another team down and look good albeit ugly in the process but they're very ugly when they get behind early. They looked that way with Dalton against LAR, they looked that way yesterday but you can't extrapolate that out to the upcoming games against SF/Pit because those teams very much so aren't in that elite class.

This team can still get the 6th or 7th seed while it being a developmental year for Fields.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Blow it up and get someone committed to doing this the right way. Build up in the trenches first.

[sco]

Meh, anyone who thought Fields would do well with this (n)O-line was delusional. Same for this season. How can you make the playoffs without an O-line? That said, I've been saying from the start that Fields needs to learn to get rid of the ball quicker. Let his motivation be getting crushed. I don't care if he has 100 TO's and loses every game in this throw-away season, if he can improve that one thing.

[Shill]

They'll beat the Niners and the Steelers. Those teams are ass. Worse than everybody we've faced besides the Lions.

Maybe, but the 9ers opened as a 3.5 road favorite.

We're way more talented than our record, but we are indeed playing sh*tty right now.

[Bulls69]

I just heard On NFL Network that Matt Nagy tested positive for Covid as much as I dislike him as a coach I’m prying for him.


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[Fl_Flash]

So hopefully Borom gets back soon. Any word on Teven Jenkins? I thought I read that he may be back sometime in November? I know you don't mess with back injuries and it's best to let him heal completely as opposed to rushing him back even if the O-line needs every warm body it can get.

Also - where's Tarik Cohen? All I read was he'd be ready for training camp. Then it was possibly he'd be ready for the season and since then I don't believe I've seen one sentence on what his status is or his expected timeline for returning.

[Bulls69]

So hopefully Borom gets back soon. Any word on Teven Jenkins? I thought I read that he may be back sometime in November? I know you don't mess with back injuries and it's best to let him heal completely as opposed to rushing him back even if the O-line needs every warm body it can get.

Also - where's Tarik Cohen? All I read was he'd be ready for training camp. Then it was possibly he'd be ready for the season and since then I don't believe I've seen one sentence on what his status is or his expected timeline for returning.

I say leave Jenkins out to next season this kid had zero training camp no need to risk his back.


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