Options to fix the PF hole

TheJordanRule · Post #1241 » by **TheJordanRule** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:54 am

Let's go get Brandon Clark. The front office is jonesing for an uber athlete who can hit it from deep. People who value defense and rebounding want a guy who can genuinely provide that at the PF spot. This is a match made in heaven. The best of both worlds. He's buried behind JJJ and Memphis' insane depth. How much could he possibly cost?

holv03 · Post #1242 » by **holv03** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 12:46 pm

If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

sco · Post #1243 » by **sco** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 2:07 pm

holv03 wrote:If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

So do you think Pat, Coby, DJJ plus POR 1st gets that done? Works $-wise. If so, sign me up.

FriedRise · Post #1244 » by **FriedRise** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 2:11 pm

holv03 wrote:If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

Why would they part with him? Looks like Atlanta is turning their season around after a slow start. There's plenty of games to play and they've been one of the hottest teams in the East these past several weeks. He's their 2nd leading scorer.

I think they have a shot to be in the top 6 and avoid the play-in altogether. Toronto already took over Brooklyn's spot in the top 6, and I think Atlanta and Boston could be next. If anything, I fear more for us to continue to slide down.

jacoby1us · Post #1245 » by **jacoby1us** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 2:49 pm

sco wrote:
holv03 wrote:If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

So do you think Pat, Coby, DJJ plus POR 1st gets that done? Works $-wise. If so, sign me up.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

Bulls trade: PW, DJJ, TBJ and 2022 1RP (via POR), and 2026 2RP
Bulls get: J.Collins

Works without Coby being added, not sure the Hawks would want him anyway as they already have a crowded backcourt and they have a young prospect in Cooper.

weneeda2guard · Post #1246 » by **weneeda2guard** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 2:57 pm

Can't see the hawks sending us Collins helping us in any way. We stand in their way. Especially for a package centered by Williams who the hawks know won't be any help to them immediately

sco · Post #1247 » by **sco** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 3:04 pm

I still like the idea of:

White/DJJ for Covington, Batum, Hartenstein or DJJ/Bradley/Marko for Covington/Hartenstein

ATRAIN53 · Post #1248 » by **ATRAIN53** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 3:06 pm

Collins was HUGE in that playoff series when they eliminated Philly.
I feel like he got hurt and wasn't as good v Milwaukee.

He's DJJ size.

Do I think 18/8 is Pat Williams NBA ceiling.....

4 more years on decent contract at $$$ @ 25 mil.

jacoby1us · Post #1249 » by **jacoby1us** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 3:18 pm

ATRAIN53 wrote:Collins was HUGE in that playoff series when they eliminated Philly.
I feel like he got hurt and wasn't as good v Milwaukee.

He's DJJ size.

Do I think 18/8 is Pat Williams NBA ceiling.....

4 more years on decent contract at $$$ @ 25 mil.

Collins is at least 6'9" as DJJ is listed at 6'5"

We could really use his height and athleticism down the stretch.

superdave · Post #1250 » by **superdave** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 6:59 pm

holv03 wrote:If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

I'm old enough to remember the #holv03 bomb's from the mid 2000's. I am hoping for Collins as well, he fits the current and near future timeline and is a perfect roster fit.

Wingy · Post #1251 » by **Wingy** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 9:35 pm

superdave wrote:
holv03 wrote:If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

I'm old enough to remember the #holv03 bomb's from the mid 2000's. I am hoping for Collins as well, he fits the current and near future timeline and is a perfect roster fit.

Why does no one care that he wants a bigger role? It's brought up constantly when Jerami Grant is discussed, but not once when people bring up Collins. I'd be up for either, but seems like it's a concern for both players...not just one.

Global Game · Post #1252 » by **Global Game** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:23 pm

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The front office missed a chance to max out this season by limiting competition on the roster for Patrick Williams' front court minutes.

The team needed specialist in the front court.
They needed long armed guys to rebound, block/alter shots, catch lobs, get to the free throw line.

At the least they can cut Matt Thomas and add one of these guys for the playoffs.

Post #1253 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:39 pm

holv03 wrote:If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

I get what you are saying and it isn't the worst choice considering what would "realistically" be available but I do not like John Collins at all. He is to me basically the best version of Marcus Fizer could have been. I just don't think he is meaningful although he can ball. Hawks wanted him gone honestly before the playoffs last year but he was a big part of the run, and he pulled an Austin Chroshere did with Indiana that one post season. Dude can ball I just don't think he moves a needle at all. Thats just my opinion though I have been wrong many times.

Post #1254 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:42 pm

Wingy wrote:
superdave wrote:
holv03 wrote:If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

I'm old enough to remember the #holv03 bomb's from the mid 2000's. I am hoping for Collins as well, he fits the current and near future timeline and is a perfect roster fit.

Why does no one care that he wants a bigger role? It's brought up constantly when Jerami Grant is discussed, but not once when people bring up Collins. I'd be up for either, but seems like it's a concern for both players...not just one.

Grant is really adamant about it though. Collins isn't as much by any means. That being said I think Grant is the better player personally. Grant also wants to play for a black coach and Donovan is anything but that. In a vacuum though I chose grant even though he isn't a perfect fit. Then again I love Harvey Grant

Macallan · Post #1255 » by **Macallan** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:06 pm

TheJordanRule wrote:Let's go get Brandon Clark. The front office is jonesing for an uber athlete who can hit it from deep. People who value defense and rebounding want a guy who can genuinely provide that at the PF spot. This is a match made in heaven. The best of both worlds. He's buried behind JJJ and Memphis' insane depth. How much could he possibly cost?

Brandon Clarke is a big part of Memphis' bench unit and I don't think they trade him unless they are blown away. I also don't know if he's as effective in a bigger role here. I love him as a player and definitely think someone in his mold would be a big boost for this squad though.

Ball4life32 · Post #1256 » by **Ball4life32** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:11 am

Michael Jackson wrote:
holv03 wrote:If I was the Bulls I would pay attention to the John Collins situation in Atlanta. I think he is the perfect fit. I feel like Chicago will make a deal to upgrade this team down low before the deadline.

I get what you are saying and it isn't the worst choice considering what would "realistically" be available but I do not like John Collins at all. He is to me basically the best version of Marcus Fizer could have been. I just don't think he is meaningful although he can ball. Hawks wanted him gone honestly before the playoffs last year but he was a big part of the run, and he pulled an Austin Chroshere did with Indiana that one post season. Dude can ball I just don't think he moves a needle at all. Thats just my opinion though I have been wrong many times.

Hawks offered him 4/90 (22.5m) the season before they went to the ECF and then he ended up getting 5/125 (25m) after their playoff run. I don’t think they offer that first contract if they wanted him gone.

PJSteven22 · Post #1257 » by **PJSteven22** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:14 pm

A bit of a hot take but the Bulls are better off with a guy like Grant as the third guy than Vuc. Especially if they can land a center like Holmes or Capella.

GoBlue72391 · Post #1258 » by **GoBlue72391** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:40 pm

Global Game wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

The front office missed a chance to max out this season by limiting competition on the roster for Patrick Williams' front court minutes.

The team needed specialist in the front court.
They needed long armed guys to rebound, block/alter shots, catch lobs, get to the free throw line.

At the least they can cut Matt Thomas and add one of these guys for the playoffs.

The answer to our PF problems isn't in the G League, and Thomas' contract is guaranteed now anyway.

ChettheJet · Post #1259 » by **ChettheJet** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:40 pm

I know those who react like their hair is on fore think they need to make 7 new moves to solve a nonexistent problem but. They have their PF his name is Patrick Williams. What they need are backups, probably 2 at the 4, 1 at the 3 and one at the 5.

You just saw two good candidates on CLE who are behind more expensive and signed longer term players. Dylan Windler and Dean Wade, both are tall, can run the floor, shoot the 3 ball and at this stage in their careers low cost.

Just like at the deadline I look at guys on teams who appear to have a logjam of similar front court players with none of them standing out of the crowd. PJ Washington in CHA, WASH has a big bunch of guys mostly signed, and if they were to trade Beal they would likely get back 2-3 players plus picks so they'd be even more overloaded. Kuzma they likely keep but Hachimura, Todd, Gill, After a couple of years in the league Avidija could be ready to come on strong, Bryant is an UFA. Mitchell Robinson with NYK. Some of these teams with extra draft picks might decide to move on from some of their veterans to give their rookies the playing time quickly.

I'm looking at players who don't think they have a significant role on a lottery team and would be agreeable to coming to a contender with a defined role off the bench to finish out their contracts and set themselves up for their next one. To me the Bulls mostly need front court players who are shooters. Ball, Caruso, Ayo, PWill and Green are all there on defense, find a defensive center but SF/PF need to be able to shoot whether they're in the game with Vuc, PWil, DeRozan or the defensive guards

When they Bulls start next year with

DeRozan Green
Williams
Vucevic
Lavine White
Ball Caruso Dosunmu

They fill in those holes
Their own FRP, maybe Simonovic a decision on Brown and Bradley. Likely Thompson wants too much money

Done with Thomas, Cook

They'll have DJJ as an expiring they could S&T

drosestruts · Post #1260 » by **drosestruts** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:41 pm

I think the hardest part of any significant upgrade at the 4 would be matching contract dollars, I wouldn't move any of our bigger contract guys which limited our ability to get a new 4.

One 4 who is on a smaller annual value deal and is playing really well this season as been Kyle Kuzma, and I have no idea what Washington's plan is there after trading for KP at the deadline.

And yes Kuzma has been good this year.