2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[Jvaughn]

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[kodo]

I dunno, seeing Indiana, who has less top talent than NY still beat them because despite NY being an elite defensive team, they can still score do to shooting at all 5 spots…. and seeing Gobert again being a non-impact despite his paint anchoring due to OKCs threat to shoot from all 5 (though Hartenstein didn’t take any and Chet went 1/6 from 3)….

Really not interested in drafting non-shooters. Guys with form who actually project to be good shooters (high FT%, etc.)… like Matas looked and like Jakas in this draft… fine.

But a CMB who shoots 70% from FT (and overlaps with Giddey and Matas, where neither guy should be defending fast guys on the perimeter, for different reasons)…. no thanks unless the YouTube’s make one think superstar (which from the little I saw, wasn’t the case for me).

Honestly, where I the Bulls, I would try hard to move up to try to grab a guy who could be a legit lead scorer on a good team (VJ, maybe Johnson) to hedge on Coby. If Jakas falls enough and it only takes a small move up, would try to move up for him, too.

Beyond the obvious home runs with the Haliburton & Siakam trades which will be hard to replicate, what makes Indiana great is their depth and it's a huge boost to get a starting caliber PG from a 2nd round pick like Nembhard. Nembhard wasn't highly valued in the draft but he had excellent length for a PG and his standout pro was being a 90th percentile off the dribble shooter. Both have translated extremely well to the NBA.

We've got some guys with good physical profiles and can also hit stand still, set shots from 3 but outside of Giddey & Coby nobody can really do much off the dribble. I wince a bit if Patrick, Terry, or Philips start slow dribbling looking to make something happen in the half court.

Both Indiana & OKC are based off always having 4 guys who can shoot or attack off the dribble, and the 5th guy is a lob finisher & defensive anchor. We're so far away from that. We have 2 guys that can create off the dribble (and they have to be staggered so often don't play together) and 0 defensive anchors/lob finishers. It's not great that we look better when THT plays because he at least can shoot and/or attack the basket 1 on 1.

[sco]

Like this read of Queen. He really reminds me of a C version of THT. His passing is nice, but defensively he is more of a welcome mat to attacking the paint than Vuc. He's to short and too slow to be a legit NBA C.

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[kodo]

Like this read of Queen. He really reminds me of a C version of THT. His passing is nice, but defensively he is more of a welcome mat to attacking the paint than Vuc. He's to short and too slow to be a legit NBA C.

He strikes me as the kind of guy if he isn't your #1 option, your'e going to hate having him on this team. Low motor, zero defense, bad conditioning.
So anyone drafting him is gambling big he's good enough to be a #1.
Might be a poor man's Demarcus Cousins.

[nomorezorro]

i know this sounds like something that's true for a lot of prospects, but i think queen in particular is a guy who would be best served finding his niche as a reserve for a good team rather than being asked to take on a load-bearing role for a bad one

if he's got the talent to be a star it'll come through either way, but if he's not built to be a centerpiece, then a bad team is just going to waste a lot of time trying to give him the opportunity to fill that role and his development will be worse off for it

[Jvaughn]

Like this read of Queen. He really reminds me of a C version of THT. His passing is nice, but defensively he is more of a welcome mat to attacking the paint than Vuc. He's to short and too slow to be a legit NBA C.

He strikes me as the kind of guy if he isn't your #1 option, your'e going to hate having him on this team. Low motor, zero defense, bad conditioning.
So anyone drafting him is gambling big he's good enough to be a #1.
Might be a poor man's Demarcus Cousins.

Another pitfall to having Queen as your C (in addition to the defensive shortcomings) is that he scores primarily in an unorthodox way. While he's capable of scoring conventionally in the block, he scores a good majority of the time by taking his defender off the dribble. Which means he's going to be playing isoball a good portion of the time. With our new offense that is dependent on a lot of ball movement, it would be a huge stepback to try to run our entire offense through him while others stand around.

[Dan Z]

I dunno, seeing Indiana, who has less top talent than NY still beat them because despite NY being an elite defensive team, they can still score do to shooting at all 5 spots…. and seeing Gobert again being a non-impact despite his paint anchoring due to OKCs threat to shoot from all 5 (though Hartenstein didn’t take any and Chet went 1/6 from 3)….

Really not interested in drafting non-shooters. Guys with form who actually project to be good shooters (high FT%, etc.)… like Matas looked and like Jakas in this draft… fine.

But a CMB who shoots 70% from FT (and overlaps with Giddey and Matas, where neither guy should be defending fast guys on the perimeter, for different reasons)…. no thanks unless the YouTube’s make one think superstar (which from the little I saw, wasn’t the case for me).

Honestly, where I the Bulls, I would try hard to move up to try to grab a guy who could be a legit lead scorer on a good team (VJ, maybe Johnson) to hedge on Coby. If Jakas falls enough and it only takes a small move up, would try to move up for him, too.

I agree about moving up to get Kasaparas Jakucionis If it's only a small move up. However, I'm not sure if the Bulls have much to offer (Portland pick? A player...Ayo? Other?).

I generally don't think moving up is a good idea, especially when the team needs talent, but I remember the 2022 draft and many people here were disappointed that Tari Eason went one spot before the Bulls picked Terry.

[sco]

Like this read of Queen. He really reminds me of a C version of THT. His passing is nice, but defensively he is more of a welcome mat to attacking the paint than Vuc. He's to short and too slow to be a legit NBA C.

He strikes me as the kind of guy if he isn't your #1 option, your'e going to hate having him on this team. Low motor, zero defense, bad conditioning.
So anyone drafting him is gambling big he's good enough to be a #1.
Might be a poor man's Demarcus Cousins.

Another pitfall to having Queen as your C (in addition to the defensive shortcomings) is that he scores primarily in an unorthodox way. While he's capable of scoring conventionally in the block, he scores a good majority of the time by taking his defender off the dribble. Which means he's going to be playing isoball a good portion of the time. With our new offense that is dependent on a lot of ball movement, it would be a huge stepback to try to run our entire offense through him while others stand around.

Good points. I hadn't thought about the Cousins comp. That's probably the best one I've heard.

[Chi town]

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Coward would be a perfect fit between Coby and Giddey. Lockdown defender and elite shooter. Love the JDub comps. Similar athletic profile.

[sco]

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Coward would be a perfect fit between Coby and Giddey. Lockdown defender and elite shooter. Love the JDub comps. Similar athletic profile.

Yeah, the lack of play against good competition may be the "tainting" he needs to fall us. His highlights look electric.

[Jvaughn]

He strikes me as the kind of guy if he isn't your #1 option, your'e going to hate having him on this team. Low motor, zero defense, bad conditioning.
So anyone drafting him is gambling big he's good enough to be a #1.
Might be a poor man's Demarcus Cousins.

Another pitfall to having Queen as your C (in addition to the defensive shortcomings) is that he scores primarily in an unorthodox way. While he's capable of scoring conventionally in the block, he scores a good majority of the time by taking his defender off the dribble. Which means he's going to be playing isoball a good portion of the time. With our new offense that is dependent on a lot of ball movement, it would be a huge stepback to try to run our entire offense through him while others stand around.

Good points. I hadn't thought about the Cousins comp. That's probably the best one I've heard.

Yeah, definitely best comp I've seen. Obviously Cousins was stronger and more skilled as a prospect, but I can see the comparison.

[Red8911]

Another pitfall to having Queen as your C (in addition to the defensive shortcomings) is that he scores primarily in an unorthodox way. While he's capable of scoring conventionally in the block, he scores a good majority of the time by taking his defender off the dribble. Which means he's going to be playing isoball a good portion of the time. With our new offense that is dependent on a lot of ball movement, it would be a huge stepback to try to run our entire offense through him while others stand around.

Good points. I hadn't thought about the Cousins comp. That's probably the best one I've heard.

Yeah, definitely best comp I've seen. Obviously Cousins was stronger and more skilled as a prospect, but I can see the comparison.

Doesn’t he also have a similar skill set as Vuc ? Meaning no defense or athleticism but good offensively.

I’d be surprised if the bulls drafted another center like that no matter what happens with Vuc. Also strange how many fans that hate on Vuc would want someone like Queen as their center.

[TheJordanRule]

Is there any young talent that would be worth trading our lotto pick for?

Suggestions:
Deni Avdija
Stephon Castle
Derrick Lively
Mark Williams
Shaedon Sharpe
Andrew Nembhard
Donovan Clingan
Scoot Henderson
Bilal Coulibaly
Alexander Sarr

I'm telling you, these young guys are killers and best of all, proven commodities who would be instantly part of the core! If someone else wants to play beat the odds in the hopes of grabbing a franchise guy with our pick, let's let 'em.

[Muzbar]

Is there any young talent that would be worth trading our lotto pick for?

Suggestions:
Deni Avdija
Stephon Castle
Derrick Lively
Mark Williams
Shaedon Sharpe
Andrew Nembhard
Donovan Clingan
Scoot Henderson
Bilal Coulibaly
Alexander Sarr

I'm telling you, these young guys are killers and best of all, proven commodities who would be instantly part of the core! If someone else wants to play beat the odds in the hopes of grabbing a franchise guy with our pick, let's let 'em.

The only name there that would be remotely available, let alone for the 12th pick in the draft, is Mark Williams and he's injury prone.

[Muzbar]

Good points. I hadn't thought about the Cousins comp. That's probably the best one I've heard.

Yeah, definitely best comp I've seen. Obviously Cousins was stronger and more skilled as a prospect, but I can see the comparison.

Doesn’t he also have a similar skill set as Vuc ? Meaning no defense or athleticism but good offensively.

I’d be surprised if the bulls drafted another center like that no matter what happens with Vuc. Also strange how many fans that hate on Vuc would want someone like Queen as their center.

Agreed. Although, some of the people that want Queen also think Vuc isn't that bad of a center.

[TheSuzerain]

People seem to misunderstand Vuc's problem.

It's not his defense.

It's that he's not actually effective on offense.

[TheJordanRule]

Is there any young talent that would be worth trading our lotto pick for?

Suggestions:
Deni Avdija
Stephon Castle
Derrick Lively
Mark Williams
Shaedon Sharpe
Andrew Nembhard
Donovan Clingan
Scoot Henderson
Bilal Coulibaly
Alexander Sarr

I'm telling you, these young guys are killers and best of all, proven commodities who would be instantly part of the core! If someone else wants to play beat the odds in the hopes of grabbing a franchise guy with our pick, let's let 'em.

The only name there that would be remotely available, let alone for the 12th pick in the draft, is Mark Williams and he's injury prone.

The injury issues are there, but we're talking about a 24 year old center averaging 15 ppg, 10 rpg who plays good defense while shooting 60 % from FG, 80 % from FT. U right, Muzbar, IDK if ANY of these guys are available at that price, but let's find out if they are, homie. **** all this Hype Night draftin.

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[WindyCityBorn]

I hear Asa Newell’s draft stock is rising and he fits in Chicago…

If they want to shoot for the stars on potential they could draft Noa Essengue if he’s still available. He’s a 3 year project, but we are young so not a big deal. I don’t think he will be available though.

[othawhitemeat]

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I am confident he is going to be one of the top 5 players from this draft. He has some Jamaal Murray to him