Josh Giddey Thread 2.0

[Jcool0]

Saw this on reddit.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6519192/2025/07/28/josh-giddey-nba-free-agency-bulls/





It seems many around the league seem to agree on the mid to low 20s range point.

Work in NBA front offices... So could be the summer intern.

16 summer interns?

You do know how many NBA team there are right?

[jnrjr79]

Dragging this out to save $5M per year is classic Bulls goofiness.

It’s the opposite of classic Bulls goofiness. Classic Bulls goofiness would be just handing out a generous contract and not making the player find an offer on the market.

But what was the bigger blunder? Overpaying for zach and pwil or letting Lauri go?


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Among those choices, PWill is the biggest blunder.

[Chi town]

So JK has been offered 2/40 by the Dubs. Bet he gets 3/75 from the Kings and they cough up Keon Ellis. Kings will overpay him and for him. Kangz.

Giddey wants 30 and has been offered 20-22 by the Bulls. Reports say 8-10M a part.

I think we get Giddey for max of 25 per. Probably more like 3/70.

[jnrjr79]

Work in NBA front offices... So could be the summer intern.

16 summer interns?

You do know how many NBA team there are right?

Sure, I'm just pointing out how hilarious it is to dismiss a report based on 16 sources by suggesting none of *16* people interviewed are "real" team employees that would have any sense of Giddey's value. You're working pretty hard to dismiss the apparent consensus!

[Red8911]

When the Bulls are paying P Will 18 mil a year, how the hell would they think Giddey would accept 20 mil ? He’s not only much better than P Will but also younger.

Got to look at Giddeys point of view as well. They really fkd up that P Will contract for a lot of reasons.

Unbelievable how PWill got so much respect and was overpaid as a RFA from day 1. The guy never deserved it.Yet they decide to play games with Giddey instead who is your top 2 player and is supposed to be a big part moving forward.

I am just not sympathetic to this line of argument, though you see it a lot on the board.

"The Bulls made a terrible financial decision, and therefore must do so again." No thanks.

I’m not saying they should make a bad financial decision. I think all of us would prefer to sign him to the cheapest deal possible so they can have more space to make better future moves.

Just pointing out one of the reasons why Giddey won’t accept anything in the low 20s.

Also find it odd and funny that they outbid themselves over a player who hasn’t proved anything in the league (PWill) but decide to play hard ball with a proven player.

I guess you can say they learned from their mistakes but at the same time this isn’t comparable to someone like P Will since Giddey is supposed to be one of your top players and trending towards an all star. The offense runs through him at this point.

Other teams are doing the same but Cam Thomas and Kuminga aren’t THAT important to their teams than Giddey is to the Bulls. Got to keep that in mind.

[Jcool0]

16 summer interns?

You do know how many NBA team there are right?

Sure, I'm just pointing out how hilarious it is to dismiss a report based on 16 sources by suggesting none of *16* people interviewed are "real" team employees that would have any sense of Giddey's value. You're working pretty hard to dismiss the apparent consensus!

Should i care if its a west coast scout contributing to this? FWIW i dont really want to be paying Giddey 30M+ but i also don't really think they Bulls should be fighting over a 15M over 4 years.

[Hangtime84]

When the Bulls are paying P Will 18 mil a year, how the hell would they think Giddey would accept 20 mil ? He’s not only much better than P Will but also younger.

Got to look at Giddeys point of view as well. They really fkd up that P Will contract for a lot of reasons.

Unbelievable how PWill got so much respect and was overpaid as a RFA from day 1. The guy never deserved it.Yet they decide to play games with Giddey instead who is your top 2 player and is supposed to be a big part moving forward.

I am just not sympathetic to this line of argument, though you see it a lot on the board.

"The Bulls made a terrible financial decision, and therefore must do so again." No thanks.

I’m not saying they should make a bad financial decision. I think all of us would prefer to sign him to the cheapest deal possible so they can have more space to make better future moves.

Just pointing out one of the reasons why Giddey won’t accept anything in the low 20s.

Also find it odd and funny that they outbid themselves over a player who hasn’t proved anything in the league (PWill) but decide to play hard ball with a proven player.

I guess you can say they learned from their mistakes but at the same time this isn’t comparable to someone like P Will since Giddey is supposed to be one of your top players and trending towards an all star. The offense runs through him at this point.

Other teams are doing the same but Cam Thomas and Kuminga aren’t THAT important to their teams than Giddey is to the Bulls. Got to keep that in mind.

Yesterdays price is NOT todays price. This will cause a snow ball effect to other players on the team. And you get a sitaution where contracts are too large to do any real moves. Only 7 guys this season signed contracts longer than 3 years out of 70+ free agents. This CBA has everyone now shook.

[MAQ]

If I had to guess, I dont think they are related, but I do wonder if the Bulls hadn't agreed to pay Pat Will the same price they want to pay Giddey, would Giddey be more open to agreeing.

[GetBuLLish]

You do know how many NBA team there are right?

Sure, I'm just pointing out how hilarious it is to dismiss a report based on 16 sources by suggesting none of *16* people interviewed are "real" team employees that would have any sense of Giddey's value. You're working pretty hard to dismiss the apparent consensus!

Should i care if its a west coast scout contributing to this? FWIW i dont really want to be paying Giddey 30M+ but i also don't really think they Bulls should be fighting over a 15M over 4 years.

The west coast scout would almost certainly have way more knowledge about Giddey and his value than you and nearly every one of us on this board.

So, yes, it's probably something to care about, even if just a little.

[Jcool0]

Sure, I'm just pointing out how hilarious it is to dismiss a report based on 16 sources by suggesting none of *16* people interviewed are "real" team employees that would have any sense of Giddey's value. You're working pretty hard to dismiss the apparent consensus!

Should i care if its a west coast scout contributing to this? FWIW i dont really want to be paying Giddey 30M+ but i also don't really think they Bulls should be fighting over a 15M over 4 years.

The west coast scout would almost certainly have way more knowledge about Giddey and his value than you and nearly every one of us on this board.

So, yes, it's probably something to care about, even if just a little.

What are you basing that on?

[Red8911]

I am just not sympathetic to this line of argument, though you see it a lot on the board.

"The Bulls made a terrible financial decision, and therefore must do so again." No thanks.

I’m not saying they should make a bad financial decision. I think all of us would prefer to sign him to the cheapest deal possible so they can have more space to make better future moves.

Just pointing out one of the reasons why Giddey won’t accept anything in the low 20s.

Also find it odd and funny that they outbid themselves over a player who hasn’t proved anything in the league (PWill) but decide to play hard ball with a proven player.

I guess you can say they learned from their mistakes but at the same time this isn’t comparable to someone like P Will since Giddey is supposed to be one of your top players and trending towards an all star. The offense runs through him at this point.

Other teams are doing the same but Cam Thomas and Kuminga aren’t THAT important to their teams than Giddey is to the Bulls. Got to keep that in mind.

Yesterdays price is NOT todays price. This will cause a snow ball effect to other players on the team. And you get a sitaution where contracts are too large to do any real moves. Only 7 guys this season signed contracts longer than 3 years out of 70+ free agents. This CBA has everyone now shook.

Maybe you’re right. Seems like this new CBA doesn’t benefit teams,players or anyone else.

That’s Adam Silvers NBA, since he came he’s made the league worse than what it was when he first became commissioner.

[Stratmaster]

Players become malcontents when they want a contract and a team won't offer one, but I don't think I've seen it when some guy signs a 4-5 year deal and then is immediately angry about it.

And as a couple have stated, I think maybe even you, the current situation is pretty much unprecedented. The rules have changed. There is maybe 1 team in the league who could make a push for Giddey other than the Bulls. Have you ever seen a situation where a player was forced to take 33% less than his counterparts with the same or less credentials and upside because no one in the league has money to spend? Again. It has already been reported that Giddey is frustrated. He isn't showing up for summer league. The negotiations are described as "contentious". You say he isn't, and they aren't based on what?

He should be mad at himself. If he came through vs Dallas 2 years ago. He would be able to write his own check.

Oh please. And FFS. And any other astonished sideways glance I can give you.

[Stratmaster]

Saw this on reddit.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6519192/2025/07/28/josh-giddey-nba-free-agency-bulls/

The Athletic recently polled 16 people who work in NBA front offices (including no one from Giddey’s incumbent Chicago Bulls), asking what they would deem a “fair” contract for each member of the restricted quartet: Giddey, Jonathan Kuminga, Quentin Grimes and Cam Thomas. They were granted anonymity in exchange for their candor.

Fourteen of the 16 participants proposed an average annual salary between $20 million and $25 million. (His mean average yearly value in the poll came to $22.3 million a year.) One executive pinned him as an $18 million player. Another, a front-office staffer who admitted he would be far lower than the consensus because he wasn’t a fan of Giddey’s game, suggested $50 million over four years, $12.5 million a year — less than the midlevel exception for a player who put up 14.6 points, 8.1 rebounds and 7.2 assists in 2024-25 and who averaged nearly a 20-point triple-double over his final 19 games.

It seems many around the league seem to agree on the mid to low 20s range point.

Wow. Front offices (employers) who have been trying to get salaries under control agree that Giddey (employee) should only make 23 mil. That makes me up my number from 25 to 27 lol. Now have them poll 16 players.

[Stratmaster]

16 summer interns?

You do know how many NBA team there are right?

Sure, I'm just pointing out how hilarious it is to dismiss a report based on 16 sources by suggesting none of *16* people interviewed are "real" team employees that would have any sense of Giddey's value. You're working pretty hard to dismiss the apparent consensus!

It is as hilarious as putting stock in a report that asked 16 employers to set the market for how much to pay a new employee. "how unions were invented".

[sco]

Saw this on reddit.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6519192/2025/07/28/josh-giddey-nba-free-agency-bulls/

The Athletic recently polled 16 people who work in NBA front offices (including no one from Giddey’s incumbent Chicago Bulls), asking what they would deem a “fair” contract for each member of the restricted quartet: Giddey, Jonathan Kuminga, Quentin Grimes and Cam Thomas. They were granted anonymity in exchange for their candor.

Fourteen of the 16 participants proposed an average annual salary between $20 million and $25 million. (His mean average yearly value in the poll came to $22.3 million a year.) One executive pinned him as an $18 million player. Another, a front-office staffer who admitted he would be far lower than the consensus because he wasn’t a fan of Giddey’s game, suggested $50 million over four years, $12.5 million a year — less than the midlevel exception for a player who put up 14.6 points, 8.1 rebounds and 7.2 assists in 2024-25 and who averaged nearly a 20-point triple-double over his final 19 games.

It seems many around the league seem to agree on the mid to low 20s range point.

Wow. Front offices (employers) who have been trying to get salaries under control agree that Giddey (employee) should only make 23 mil. That makes me up my number from 25 to 27 lol. Now have them poll 16 players.

Again, I feel like the jump from 12.2/7.1/6.4 34% 3pt% Pre-ASG to 21ppg/10.7rb/9.3ast/2.3stocks shooting above 38% from 3 Post-ASG is too big of a jump to give him contract credit for given that a good number of those games came against teams resting key guys or tanking teams. The pre-ASG numbers are probably worth the MLE. Too many here IMO are treating the questionable end-of-season numbers as rock-solid proof of his play level going forward.

[Muzbar]

Saw this on reddit.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6519192/2025/07/28/josh-giddey-nba-free-agency-bulls/

The Athletic recently polled 16 people who work in NBA front offices (including no one from Giddey’s incumbent Chicago Bulls), asking what they would deem a “fair” contract for each member of the restricted quartet: Giddey, Jonathan Kuminga, Quentin Grimes and Cam Thomas. They were granted anonymity in exchange for their candor.

Fourteen of the 16 participants proposed an average annual salary between $20 million and $25 million. (His mean average yearly value in the poll came to $22.3 million a year.) One executive pinned him as an $18 million player. Another, a front-office staffer who admitted he would be far lower than the consensus because he wasn’t a fan of Giddey’s game, suggested $50 million over four years, $12.5 million a year — less than the midlevel exception for a player who put up 14.6 points, 8.1 rebounds and 7.2 assists in 2024-25 and who averaged nearly a 20-point triple-double over his final 19 games.

It seems many around the league seem to agree on the mid to low 20s range point.

Wow. Front offices (employers) who have been trying to get salaries under control agree that Giddey (employee) should only make 23 mil. That makes me up my number from 25 to 27 lol. Now have them poll 16 players.

I'm not saying I agree with them, I was just sharing what I came across.

But to your point, players don't have to build a team that maintains some level of flexibility. They're out to get themselves paid (understandably).

I think the point is if multiple front office staff feel Giddey’s price range is around 20-25m, his leverage drops a tad as he's not necessarily going to get the dollar amount he's been after as other teams are also unwilling to meet his price point.

I have no doubts the Bulls will resign Giddey, but I doubt it's for his asking price.

[jnrjr79]

You do know how many NBA team there are right?

Sure, I'm just pointing out how hilarious it is to dismiss a report based on 16 sources by suggesting none of *16* people interviewed are "real" team employees that would have any sense of Giddey's value. You're working pretty hard to dismiss the apparent consensus!

It is as hilarious as putting stock in a report that asked 16 employers to set the market for how much to pay a new employee. "how unions were invented".

I don’t think this is a good analogy in a salary cap environment where teams are required to pay 51% of BRI to players.

If anything, their competitive interest would be better served by saying Giddey is worth $35M/year and the Bulls would be crazy not to lock him up.

[Muzbar]

Again, I feel like the jump from 12.2/7.1/6.4 34% 3pt% Pre-ASG to 21ppg/10.7rb/9.3ast/2.3stocks shooting above 38% from 3 Post-ASG is too big of a jump to give him contract credit for given that a good number of those games came against teams resting key guys or tanking teams. The pre-ASG numbers are probably worth the MLE. Too many here IMO are treating the questionable end-of-season numbers as rock-solid proof of his play level going forward.

100%.

At the same time, his pre-ASG numbers aren't an indicator that's he's that level of player either, IMO. I think it's somewhere in the middle as far as sustainability. I mentioned in your other thread that I don't think he'll be the 20ppg scorer he was after the LaVine trade, but I don't think his assist and rebound numbers will drop (I think his assist numbers may very well rise a bit).

If Giddey can maintain being a 36/37% 3pt shooter, even if it's just mostly open jumpers, whilst playing adequately defensively and rebounding and getting other guys the ball in their spots. What ever he scores after all that is just gravy.

[GoBlue72391]

It’s the opposite of classic Bulls goofiness. Classic Bulls goofiness would be just handing out a generous contract and not making the player find an offer on the market.

But what was the bigger blunder? Overpaying for zach and pwil or letting Lauri go?


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Among those choices, PWill is the biggest blunder.

Maybe in terms of pure stupidity, but of the three, it probably has the least long lasting impact. He sucks and is ridiculously overpaid for what he is, but he's not holding the team back from doing anything.

[GoBlue72391]

Sure, I'm just pointing out how hilarious it is to dismiss a report based on 16 sources by suggesting none of *16* people interviewed are "real" team employees that would have any sense of Giddey's value. You're working pretty hard to dismiss the apparent consensus!

Should i care if its a west coast scout contributing to this? FWIW i dont really want to be paying Giddey 30M+ but i also don't really think they Bulls should be fighting over a 15M over 4 years.

The west coast scout would almost certainly have way more knowledge about Giddey and his value than you and nearly every one of us on this board.

So, yes, it's probably something to care about, even if just a little.

Wasn't it "people who work in a front office?" A run-of-the-mill scout doesn't work in a front office.

People think of guys like AK and ME, but there's a whole team of people working under them and advising them. Hell, Paxson is still an advisor and a guy like Brian Hagen is in charge of player personnel.

Other teams have this, too. A summer intern would not have any knowledge of Giddey's worth, and no reporter would be interested in their opinions. Maybe of the 16 questioned, most or perhaps even none of them are the actual GMs, but there's plenty of people in the know and whose opinions matters besides the GM and Prez of BBall Operations.