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Re: NBA Finals Thread / Around The NBA In The Offseason 

Post#1261 » by BR0D1E86 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:00 pm

MrSparkle wrote:First off, Boston is in prime position to SUCK next year. They should VERY slowly bring Rondo back onto the court. In fact, they might as well let him do a D-Rose.

If they come out with Parker or Wiggins, that's a good team looking forward. No Rondo trade necessary, because they'll be in the playoffs, unless someone wants to overpay for a PG with a torn ACL whose one of the worst shooters in the game.

Nobody's making note of this, but Brooklyn is sending 2016 and 2018 1sts to Boston, plus a 2017 swap. I'm sorry, but was Isiah Thomas not enough of a clinic to ever prevent a team from doing this again? I mean, KG/PP/Terry are going to be in their 40s by the time those picks are given away.. That's a pretty massive gamble. Sounds like the 2000s Knicks ALL over again.

This Nets team is going to have a 2-year window-- no, ONE and a HALF-- and honestly, they're about 2 good rotation players away from being competitive. They need some freaking speed and athleticism.. Miami is going to run them out the building.

I don't think the Nets are serious contenders, but I'll give them this. There's at least some thought behind that roster. I think that the impacts of Johnson and Pierce are greatly devalued without the ball in their hands. So in a way the team is less than the sum of its parts. But we've also seen you need at least a secondary ballhandler, and Pierce can still be that on a limited basis. I also think their age is going to catch up with them on the defensive side.

I got off on a tangent there, but the main point is that I think this is reckless spending, but it's not reckless spending on Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury and Crawford. At least these guys know how to play the game.
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Re: NBA Finals Thread / Around The NBA In The Offseason 

Post#1262 » by Ice the knees » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:20 pm

Bulls and Heat will be the only two contenders in the East.

Brodie, I think you nailed it, there are some old guys on that Nets roster that aren't going to want to play off the ball.

Indy is Indy. A 49 win team in the worst division in bball. Back to a 3-4 seed they go.
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Post#1263 » by kdapiton » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:30 pm

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Post#1264 » by TheStig » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:09 pm

Is it just me or with the Net's recent moves, does anyone think Howard will try to go there again? They can easily flip Lopez for him.
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Post#1265 » by Red Larrivee » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:16 pm

TheStig wrote:Is it just me or with the Net's recent moves, does anyone think Howard will try to go there again? They can easily flip Lopez for him.


The Nets are over the apron, they can't receive players in a sign/trade.
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Post#1266 » by TheStig » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:18 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
TheStig wrote:Is it just me or with the Net's recent moves, does anyone think Howard will try to go there again? They can easily flip Lopez for him.


The Nets are over the apron, they can't receive players in a sign/trade.

Oh opps, I guess thats why it hasn't been talked about.
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Post#1267 » by IWannaGoHIGHER » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:46 pm

Did I just read this right or did my eyes deceive me. Did Kieth Bogans get a 3 year 15 million dollar deal from the Celtics?! Man they shouldn't make their tank effort so obvious.
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Post#1268 » by kodo » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:49 pm

Polynice4Pippen wrote:No team has THREE top line perimeter defenders to handle Williams, Johnson and Pierce. Any mismatch they have (like a D Will vs. Chalmers) they can exploit one on one continuously. And Garnett and Lopez will control the defensive paint. But ALL of those guys get hurt all the time now. No way that team is fully healthy and fresh by next April/May.


Pierce is only a 15% isolation scorer, a real minority of his scoring now. He's moved to scoring more on spot up shooting. In isolation his FG% is 41%, not horrible I don't think coaches are staying up at night worrying about giving Brooklyn 41% 2 pointers all night.

Chalmers runs into mismatches virtually every night, it hasn't stopped the Heat ever before. The Heat play a ton of help defense; and you can't make them pay unless you have shooters hitting their shots like SAS did for 6 games.

KG & Lopez are possibly the worst rebounding pair in the entire EC. KG is a good rim defender still but he got abused badly by ballhandlers, his speed isn't there at all anymore. Lopez is even slower.

The lack of speed & modern (ie Pick & Roll switching) defense reminds me of the Lakers. Although i do think Kidd is going to be a helluva coach one day.

Anyway kudos to Brooklyn. Yes their championship window is 1-2 years max and they still aren't going to get past MIA. But without this move their championship window is nil. That's always going to be a good move by your FO to give your team a chance.
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Post#1269 » by BIGGIEsmalls 23 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:20 pm

PER WT
Pelicans Amongst More Than Six Teams Interested In Iguodala

The New Orleans Pelicans are extremely interested in signing Andre Iguodala in free agency, according to sources.

The Pelicans have already acquired his former teammate in Jrue Holiday in a draft-day trade.

Sam Amick of USA Today reports that the Atlanta Hawks, Detroit Pistons, Sacramento Kings, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Golden State Warriors are also interested in Iguodala.

The Denver Nuggets also want to retain him and will be able to offer the best contract.
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Post#1270 » by IWannaGoHIGHER » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:33 pm

What are they going to do with Gordon if they sign Iggy? Just play Iggy at SF? I don't think they are going to find anyone to take Gordon off their hand at this point IMO.

A starting 5 of Holiday, Gordon, Iggy, Davis, and Lopez with Anderson, Vausquez and Aminu off the bench would probably be a playoff team. If Davis can reach his potential then they could be a solid playoff team.
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Post#1271 » by pylb » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:37 pm

Pelicans are planning on making the playoffs. They gave up next year's pick (top 3 protected I think ?) to get Jrue.
Austin Rivers wasn't as terrible as people like to say near the end of the year, he might be able to help their bench too.
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Post#1272 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:29 pm

Looks like the Knicks are the favorites to trade for Bargnani. Giving up Camby, Novak, and a 1st and 2nd round pick.
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Post#1273 » by BIGGIEsmalls 23 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:38 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Looks like the Knicks are the favorites to trade for Bargnani. Giving up Camby, Novak, and a 1st and 2nd round pick.

We should have pulled the trigger with Boozer. It was one of the few opportunities to move him.

Now, we'll probably be forced to move Deng instead.
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Post#1274 » by TheStig » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:09 am

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Looks like the Knicks are the favorites to trade for Bargnani. Giving up Camby, Novak, and a 1st and 2nd round pick.

I don't get this move. Bariganni can't even hit 3's anymore efficiently. And they have Stat who doesn't play defense. I just have to ask why? And a 1st too.
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Post#1275 » by kingkirk » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:47 am

TheStig wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Looks like the Knicks are the favorites to trade for Bargnani. Giving up Camby, Novak, and a 1st and 2nd round pick.

I don't get this move. Bariganni can't even hit 3's anymore efficiently. And they have Stat who doesn't play defense. I just have to ask why? And a 1st too.


They are mental.

I have no clue either. Novak was huge for them.
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Post#1276 » by red222 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:48 am

BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:PER WT
Pelicans Amongst More Than Six Teams Interested In Iguodala

The New Orleans Pelicans are extremely interested in signing Andre Iguodala in free agency, according to sources.

The Pelicans have already acquired his former teammate in Jrue Holiday in a draft-day trade.

Sam Amick of USA Today reports that the Atlanta Hawks, Detroit Pistons, Sacramento Kings, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Golden State Warriors are also interested in Iguodala.

The Denver Nuggets also want to retain him and will be able to offer the best contract.

calling Gar please trade Deng Now :lol:
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Post#1277 » by TheStig » Mon Jul 1, 2013 1:08 am

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TheStig wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Looks like the Knicks are the favorites to trade for Bargnani. Giving up Camby, Novak, and a 1st and 2nd round pick.

I don't get this move. Bariganni can't even hit 3's anymore efficiently. And they have Stat who doesn't play defense. I just have to ask why? And a 1st too.


They are mental.

I have no clue either. Novak was huge for them.

Its a shame Gilbert Arenas isn't around anymore for them to trade for. I always felt he'd feel right at home on that team.
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Post#1278 » by MGB8 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 3:39 am

MrSparkle wrote:First off, Boston is in prime position to SUCK next year. They should VERY slowly bring Rondo back onto the court. In fact, they might as well let him do a D-Rose.

If they come out with Parker or Wiggins, that's a good team looking forward. No Rondo trade necessary, because they'll be in the playoffs, unless someone wants to overpay for a PG with a torn ACL whose one of the worst shooters in the game.

Nobody's making note of this, but Brooklyn is sending 2016 and 2018 1sts to Boston, plus a 2017 swap. I'm sorry, but was Isiah Thomas not enough of a clinic to ever prevent a team from doing this again? I mean, KG/PP/Terry are going to be in their 40s by the time those picks are given away.. That's a pretty massive gamble. Sounds like the 2000s Knicks ALL over again.

This Nets team is going to have a 2-year window-- no, ONE and a HALF-- and honestly, they're about 2 good rotation players away from being competitive. They need some freaking speed and athleticism.. Miami is going to run them out the building.


I don't really agree.

KG is still quick enough defensively at the PF spot. He averaged 15/8 in 30 minutes, and probably will do so again, especially since his supporting cast will improve. His impact on Lopez and even Derron Williams (who dogs it some times) shouldn't be underestimated, either. Johnson and Pierce will be fine off ball, and don't forget Terry off the bench - and Terry's play bumped up a lot last season.

They still aren't favorites over Miami, but they added the mental toughness that the team was lacking by adding the three old guys. Sure, two years from now we're talking about a very different situation, but they are likely contenders for the next two seasons. And that's not even taking into account other ring chasers who might sign on (guys who don't get signed by the Heat).

But right now, their depth chart looks nice:

pg: Derron, T. Taylor
sg: J. Johnson, J. Terry
sf: P. Pierce, (Johnson), Teletovic
pf: KG, Evans
cc: Lopez, Plumlee

They might bring back Blatche or add Collins. They'll likely get another backup wing chasing a ring who can play significant minutes on some minimum deal. A Delfino or Corey Brewer or Ronnie Brewer or Rip after he's cut. Given that, I wouldn't be too quick to poo-poo them. Miami may run, but, like Indiana, the Nets will score inside and make things hard for the Heat on defense.
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Post#1279 » by red222 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:09 am

@WojYahooNBA Y! Sources: Detroit meeting with free agent Josh Smith at 12:01 EST, planning to make substantial offer. tinyurl.com/mu7z4t2

Looks like Minny's gonna lose Chase Budinger. Flip's out looking for Mike Dunleavy Jr.

Splitter's gonna get $8-$9 mil a year

Darren Collison's now unrestricted
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-f ... 54522.html
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