Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

Lexluthor · Post #1261 » by **Lexluthor** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:48 pm

dougthonus wrote:
fleet wrote:
Lexluthor wrote:I will say it again we should had drafted Mac Jones

Possibly. Judging by the “offense” Nagy likes, I would not be surprised to learn that Nagy wanted Jones, but was overruled by Pace. This year is irrelevant to that choice however. Whoever coaches and staffs this future offense will have done the job of creating a framework around Fields when a fair judgment can be rendered.

Imagine trying to justify to yourself that Fields is better than Mac Jones today.

I said this about three weeks ago on this thread .

Susan · Post #1262 » by **Susan** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:56 pm

Shill wrote:
Susan wrote:They'll beat the Niners and the Steelers. Those teams are ass. Worse than everybody we've faced besides the Lions.

Maybe, but the 9ers opened as a 3.5 road favorite.

We're way more talented than our record, but we are indeed playing sh*tty right now.

That's what they have after a bye week against the Colts? Mitchell tore the Colts up and they went away from him in a torrential downpour.

Two of the following will make the playoffs: Minnesota, Chicago, New Orleans, Carolina, Atlanta, SF, Seattle and maybe one of those garbage NFC East teams emerge.

I think Minnesota has been the best of this bunch but still we're talking about Kirk Cousins.

SF is lost and injured
Seattle is terrible on D and Russell is out
Darnold just got benched
Winston is Winston still
Atlanta has wins over the Giants, Jets and Dolphins

If I had to bet, I'd say Minnesota and NOLA get in but the Bears have owned Minnesota in the Nagy era so it's not cut and dry.

imagge · Post #1263 » by **imagge** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:59 pm

I am interested to know if there is anybody on here that would argue that Mac Jones would have had a better day yesterday than Justin Fields had in a Bears uniform? The answer in my opinion is no. Mac Jones looks the best out of all rookie QBs because of the support system he is afforded. He is under arguably the greatest HC of all time, has a good defense and a much better O-Line. If he would have been drafted here he would be struggling mightily.

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1264 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:10 pm

imagge wrote:I am interested to know if there is anybody on here that would argue that Mac Jones would have had a better day yesterday than Justin Fields had in a Bears uniform? The answer in my opinion is no. Mac Jones looks the best out of all rookie QBs because of the support system he is afforded. He is under arguably the greatest HC of all time, has a good defense and a much better O-Line. If he would have been drafted here he would be struggling mightily.

Completely agree. If anyone thinks our QB situation would look any different if we drafted Jones over Fields is dreaming. We would have ruined Mahomes career already.

TheAlanParsons · Post #1265 » by **TheAlanParsons** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:24 pm

imagge wrote:I am interested to know if there is anybody on here that would argue that Mac Jones would have had a better day yesterday than Justin Fields had in a Bears uniform? The answer in my opinion is no. Mac Jones looks the best out of all rookie QBs because of the support system he is afforded. He is under arguably the greatest HC of all time, has a good defense and a much better O-Line. If he would have been drafted here he would be struggling mightily.

I'm sorry, but this reminds me of all the people who said Tom Brady was only winning rings because of Belichek, then Brady switches teams (to one that hadn't even made the playoffs in YEARS), Brady wins the SB, and Belichek's team sucks ass.

biggestbullsfan · Post #1266 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:45 pm

On the plus side of this, Herbert looked like a true RB1 yesterday. Against one of the better run defenses. I’m happy about that. He and David will give us a punch when David gets back.

Dresden · Post #1267 » by **Dresden** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:20 pm

imagge wrote:I am interested to know if there is anybody on here that would argue that Mac Jones would have had a better day yesterday than Justin Fields had in a Bears uniform? The answer in my opinion is no. Mac Jones looks the best out of all rookie QBs because of the support system he is afforded. He is under arguably the greatest HC of all time, has a good defense and a much better O-Line. If he would have been drafted here he would be struggling mightily.

I do. If for no other reason that I doubt he would have lost 2 fumbles and thrown 3 picks. He may not have had any more passing yards or scored any more points, but he probably would not have kept giving Tom Brady a short field to work with either.

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1268 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:34 pm

TheAlanParsons wrote:
imagge wrote:I am interested to know if there is anybody on here that would argue that Mac Jones would have had a better day yesterday than Justin Fields had in a Bears uniform? The answer in my opinion is no. Mac Jones looks the best out of all rookie QBs because of the support system he is afforded. He is under arguably the greatest HC of all time, has a good defense and a much better O-Line. If he would have been drafted here he would be struggling mightily.

I'm sorry, but this reminds me of all the people who said Tom Brady was only winning rings because of Belichek, then Brady switches teams (to one that hadn't even made the playoffs in YEARS), Brady wins the SB, and Belichek's team sucks ass.

And if Brady signed here everyone would be singing a different tune about that situation.

Post #1269 » by **fleet** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:10 pm

Susan wrote:
fleet wrote:Play action still underused in this offense. You might think with Herbert doing business there are opportunities for better play design. Every week.

Not against that pass rush, they'll be better next week but Tampa is a really bad matchup for Justin right now.

They'll beat the Niners and the Steelers. Those teams are ass. Worse than everybody we've faced besides the Lions.

Last night Tony Romo was tearing this offense up. He said they should be doing play action, boots, and running the ball. Only once in a while go empty. Then when he saw the Bears with a play that had tight ends blocking he was like… Now thats what the Bears should be doing. Said they were running too many different plays. They should run a few plays that all look the same out of the backfield. in other words heavy play action. And He also said that they are asking too much from Fields to be scanning the entire field with these protections.

They keep running Nagy plays. Lazor has been neutered.

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1270 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:31 pm

Bulls69 wrote:I just heard On NFL Network that Matt Nagy tested positive for Covid as much as I dislike him as a coach I’m prying for him.

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Yeah hoping he gets through it safe and quick.

The Evidence · Post #1271 » by **The Evidence** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:36 pm

Fields has only 16 designed runs this year, while statues like Darnold have 18, Stafford 15, Carr 13, Herbert 12, Burrow 11.

Lamar (who isnt even running as much this year) has 48 attempts. Hurts 37, Murray 31.

:banghead:

Susan · Post #1272 » by **Susan** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:48 pm

Outside of the games against the Bears, their opponents outside of the Lions are a combined 30-5.

They're middle of the pack but they've had a hellish schedule.

chicagoballer · Post #1273 » by **chicagoballer** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:40 pm

I think people should be careful giving Herbert or our RBs too much credit. All opposing teams know the bears can’t score. The opposing defensive game plans allow for the run and take away the long plays. Their offense will score 25 plus points while ours will sputter as seen over the last three years

chicagoballer · Post #1274 » by **chicagoballer** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:42 pm

Susan wrote:Outside of the games against the Bears, their opponents outside of the Lions are a combined 30-5.

They're middle of the pack but they've had a hellish schedule.

That doesn’t make me feel better at all. The goal is to be a good team, justifying our record this way is no comfort

Kurt Heimlich · Post #1275 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:52 pm

Herbert looks like the real deal. Matt Nagy (well wishes for a quick recovery from the virus) and the offensive line that Ryan Pace built continue to make it patently obvious they are still in fact not the real deal. Too bad we have absolute dinosaurs entrenched in ownership that will continue to be predictably glacierly slow to act.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #1276 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:32 pm

It was a rough weekend for Bears fans (and more accurately year + at least stuck with the current reigme). But I've found the ingenious, outside the box mind the NFL and more specifically the charter franchise Chicago Bears need to reinvigorate the game. At least the 2018 Bears might have been a completely different story under Commissioner David.

Watch on YouTube

bullsnewdynasty · Post #1277 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:16 am

jmajew wrote:I didn't get to watch the game yesterday as I was at a wedding, but what is happening is the same thing that happened with Mitch in this system.

The Andy Reid system is great if you have a good O-Line, good position players, and a good QB. AKA you need good drafting because you can't afford to sign that many of those. Hence, the reason KC is now struggling offensively. If you do not have all three of those the system will fail.

It is time to blow this up and bring in Brian Daboll or Greg Roman. Those are the two OCs that can work with Fields. Sadly, Daboll is going to work wonders with Mitch. I could see him getting a HC gig next year and bring Mitch with him to be his starter.

I see this idea being floated around a lot of places and I truly don't get it.

Trubisky is still a terrible starting quarterback. Accuracy has nothing to do with your HC or offensive coordinator yet Trubisky was consistently ranked as one of the least accurate starting QB's in the NFL from a clean pocket.

Nagy has very little to do with Fields being bad. He's just clearly not ready to play. Unfortunately, guys like Watson, Mahomes, and Herbert are the exception, not the norm. It is very rare for rookies to come in and be successful immediately.

The issue with Trubisky is that he was still overthrowing open receivers and making rookie type mental mistakes in years 3 and 4 when he was supposed to start figuring stuff out, despite the training wheels/pass he would get due to the fact that he started 10 games in college or whatever.

Caught up in the QB discussion is the fact that the defense hasn't been able to stop anybody since 2018.

mmmmmbeeer · Post #1278 » by **mmmmmbeeer** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:36 pm

imagge wrote:I am interested to know if there is anybody on here that would argue that Mac Jones would have had a better day yesterday than Justin Fields had in a Bears uniform? The answer in my opinion is no. Mac Jones looks the best out of all rookie QBs because of the support system he is afforded. He is under arguably the greatest HC of all time, has a good defense and a much better O-Line. If he would have been drafted here he would be struggling mightily.

Uh, no.

As a huge SEC fan who watched Jones and Fields (including at tOSU), I can tell you without question that Mac Jones was NFL ready on day 1. Justin Fields, to anyone who actually watched him play, was always going to be a project. Mac may not be mobile but he makes reads, makes them quickly, and is very accurate. Fields has all the athletic talent in the world but he's just not a QB yet...he doesn't read defenses well, is easily fooled, often caught between making the next read or running with the ball.

The problem is the Chicago media running with Fields as being the savior when Andy Dalton was doing just fine as a game manager. Fields shouldn't be starting this season. He's not out there learning, he's out there trying to stay alive.

Dresden · Post #1279 » by **Dresden** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:00 pm

mmmmmbeeer wrote:
imagge wrote:I am interested to know if there is anybody on here that would argue that Mac Jones would have had a better day yesterday than Justin Fields had in a Bears uniform? The answer in my opinion is no. Mac Jones looks the best out of all rookie QBs because of the support system he is afforded. He is under arguably the greatest HC of all time, has a good defense and a much better O-Line. If he would have been drafted here he would be struggling mightily.

Uh, no.

As a huge SEC fan who watched Jones and Fields (including at tOSU), I can tell you without question that Mac Jones was NFL ready on day 1. Justin Fields, to anyone who actually watched him play, was always going to be a project. Mac may not be mobile but he makes reads, makes them quickly, and is very accurate. Fields has all the athletic talent in the world but he's just not a QB yet...he doesn't read defenses well, is easily fooled, often caught between making the next read or running with the ball.

The problem is the Chicago media running with Fields as being the savior when Andy Dalton was doing just fine as a game manager. Fields shouldn't be starting this season. He's not out there learning, he's out there trying to stay alive.

This is the reality about Fields that is starting to sink in- he may just be lacking some of the fundamental knowledge/skills/experience you need to be an nfl quarterback. He was able to get away with a lot in college, but now that style of play doesn't translate well to the nfl. I'm not going to say he's bust or anything, but he's got a long, long way to go perhaps, and it is possible 2-3 years from now we'll be looking once more for our QB. I was very excited about drafting him, but now reality is starting creep in. And I agree, we should have given Dalton more of a chance.

ATRAIN53 · Post #1280 » by **ATRAIN53** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:12 pm

This is what rookie QB looks like. This is why they didn't want to start him so he didn't look bad.

So what - we just got pasted by 2 HOF, totally expected. I EXPECT a Tampa/GB NFC title game.
He's getting the experinece now, which is what we all wanted.

He tried a little too hard Sunday and made bad mistakes.
Some of that was on him, but that is the defense I expect to win the SB he was up against.
I expect (hope, pray) that Tampa D stops Aaron Rodgers in January.

I just hope he doesn't get hurt, otherwise I still love everything I've seen out of the kid, esp his moxie!