2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

Dan Z · Post #1261 » by **Dan Z** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:06 pm

This mock has the Bulls taking Johnny Davis. I generally see him in mocks going higher than 18, but if he was available what do you think?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-all-but-locked-in-for-magic-at-no-1-just-before-picks-are-made/

MrSparkle · Post #1262 » by **MrSparkle** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:07 pm

Coby was such a raw player. Kind of disappointed in his development, but I believe he'll put it together in the next year or two. I can see why no one wants him, and AK isn't going to dump value in a trade... so I see a decent chance he stays.

I do think one of the 10-14th pick teams would make off really well in a Coby trade back. I see the Wendell/Gafford new-team, wake-up effect happening entirely, with Coby.

Have no idea who's on their draft radar, so it's pointless speculating beyond that.

Almost Retired · Post #1263 » by **Almost Retired** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:16 pm

Bulldog23 wrote:3 point shooting and rebounding are big needs…maybe using the 18th pick on Baldwin is worth the investment. His health may be a factor in the lack of mobility. Spend a year rehabbing and see what he looks like after that. Rookie’s rarely contribute the first year any way. He can be a small 5 and play 4 with his measurements.

Baldwin is definitely not worthy of a 1st Round pick. I'm not sure he even gets drafted in the 2nd round. His combine measurements were terrible. Immobile and can't jump. Unless his perfomance was due to underlying injuries I don't see where he could crack a G-League position let alone find a spot on an NBA Roster.

Stratmaster · Post #1264 » by **Stratmaster** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:17 pm

Jvaughn wrote:Okay BR just dropped their last mock before the draft, and Wasserman also has Branham dropping down to us too. Maybe I was wrong, and he's been slipping DeRozan would definitely help him with his development.

A lot of talk about players training with DDR, and DDR developing players. I am just not sure what a high volume mid-range shooter who is poor defensively is going to teach anyone in today's NBA. He had an unbelievable season and is the best at what he does offensively. The problem is what he does really doesn't translate unless you are absolutely elite. Like the best in the world elite.

DDR can certainly show them some moves to free up for 10-15' range jump shots. I am not sure that is really what we want the young guys focusing on.

SfBull · Post #1265 » by **SfBull** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:21 pm

Chi town wrote:https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

No way I’m taking Ogbaji over Dieng.

I'd draft Ogbaji over Dieng as he'll probably more ready to play being a senior and playing for Kansas.He can be good backup for Zach.There will be interesting prospects available at #18 . That's why I don't like the idea of trading it even for Gobert.

Post #1266 » by **fleet** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:22 pm

GoBlue72391 wrote:What a relief it is to not have to follow the draft prospects so closely this year.

No comprende

Almost Retired · Post #1267 » by **Almost Retired** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:24 pm

Dan Z wrote:This mock has the Bulls taking Johnny Davis. I generally see him in mocks going higher than 18, but if he was available what do you think?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-all-but-locked-in-for-magic-at-no-1-just-before-picks-are-made/

We don't need another guard unless it's clear to AKME that Ball is not coming back any time soon with a knee that won't heal. Even then we could probably pry the rights to MIcic from the Thunder, he'd be ready to play on Day #1 and I don't think he would cost much. OKC has an ungodly number of picks in the next 5 years. He's not going to leave his comfort zone in Europe to warm the bench in OKC that has Giddy, Tre Mann, Theo Maladon and SAG...and who knows who OKC might add with the #12 Pick tomorrow. (I think Holmgren goes there with the #2 Pick). If the Bulls don't trade the pick then they have to improve the front court depth at the "4" (Eason or Liddell) or add a defensive "5" (like Marc Williams if he drops).

SfBull · Post #1268 » by **SfBull** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:24 pm

Dan Z wrote:This mock has the Bulls taking Johnny Davis. I generally see him in mocks going higher than 18, but if he was available what do you think?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-all-but-locked-in-for-magic-at-no-1-just-before-picks-are-made/

I like him,another good option for developing off the bench as Zach's backup.

SfBull · Post #1269 » by **SfBull** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:28 pm

Almost Retired wrote:
Dan Z wrote:This mock has the Bulls taking Johnny Davis. I generally see him in mocks going higher than 18, but if he was available what do you think?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-all-but-locked-in-for-magic-at-no-1-just-before-picks-are-made/

We don't need another guard unless it's clear to AKME that Ball is not coming back any time soon with a knee that won't heal. Even then we could probably pry the rights to MIcic from the Thunder, he'd be ready to play on Day #1 and I don't think he would cost much. OKC has an ungodly number of picks in the next 5 years. He's not going to leave his comfort zone in Europe to warm the bench in OKC that has Giddy, Tre Mann, Theo Maladon and SAG...and who knows who OKC might add with the #12 Pick tomorrow. (I think Holmgren goes there with the #2 Pick). If the Bulls don't trade the pick then they have to improve the front court depth at the "4" (Eason or Liddell) or add a defensive "5" (like Marc Williams if he drops).

Well said but we still need to upgrade our backcourt even keeping Coby,we need more shooters coming off the bench.

Dan Z · Post #1270 » by **Dan Z** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:50 pm

SfBull wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:
Dan Z wrote:This mock has the Bulls taking Johnny Davis. I generally see him in mocks going higher than 18, but if he was available what do you think?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-all-but-locked-in-for-magic-at-no-1-just-before-picks-are-made/

We don't need another guard unless it's clear to AKME that Ball is not coming back any time soon with a knee that won't heal. Even then we could probably pry the rights to MIcic from the Thunder, he'd be ready to play on Day #1 and I don't think he would cost much. OKC has an ungodly number of picks in the next 5 years. He's not going to leave his comfort zone in Europe to warm the bench in OKC that has Giddy, Tre Mann, Theo Maladon and SAG...and who knows who OKC might add with the #12 Pick tomorrow. (I think Holmgren goes there with the #2 Pick). If the Bulls don't trade the pick then they have to improve the front court depth at the "4" (Eason or Liddell) or add a defensive "5" (like Marc Williams if he drops).

Well said but we still need to upgrade our backcourt even keeping Coby,we need more shooters coming off the bench.

I think the Bulls should draft the best available player regardless of position. Most rookies don't contribute much in their first year.

If the player they select shows some potential, and then in a year or two is quite good, then it's a good pick.

It's the 18th pick...in that range there's generally a player available who is good, but it's not easy to find said player.

These are the past picks at #18
2021: Tre Mann (Herb Jones was still available)
2020: Josh Green (Saddiq Bey, Tyrese Maxey, and Desmond Bane were still available).
2019: Goga Bitadze (Brandon Clarke, Grant Williams, Keldon Johnson and Nic Claxton were still available).
2018: Lonnie Walker (Kevin Huerter, Anfernee Simons, Robert Williams, Jalen Brunson and Mitchell Robinson were still available...Chandler Hutchison too. haha. ).

JohnnyTapwater · Post #1271 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:01 pm

I'm so late, but I love Dalen Terry. He's a damn winner!

Dresden · Post #1272 » by **Dresden** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:06 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:Okay BR just dropped their last mock before the draft, and Wasserman also has Branham dropping down to us too. Maybe I was wrong, and he's been slipping DeRozan would definitely help him with his development.

A lot of talk about players training with DDR, and DDR developing players. I am just not sure what a high volume mid-range shooter who is poor defensively is going to teach anyone in today's NBA. He had an unbelievable season and is the best at what he does offensively. The problem is what he does really doesn't translate unless you are absolutely elite. Like the best in the world elite.

DDR can certainly show them some moves to free up for 10-15' range jump shots. I am not sure that is really what we want the young guys focusing on.

There are tons of things a seasoned vet like DDR can teach a young player. Too numerous to name.

Dresden · Post #1273 » by **Dresden** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:08 pm

SfBull wrote:
Chi town wrote:https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

No way I’m taking Ogbaji over Dieng.

I'd draft Ogbaji over Dieng as he'll probably more ready to play being a senior and playing for Kansas.He can be good backup for Zach.There will be interesting prospects available at #18 . That's why I don't like the idea of trading it even for Gobert.

Agree on both points. Ogbaji would definitely fill a need for a good defensive wing, and for a 3 pt shooter. Not to mention he's very athletic.

Rose2Boozer · Post #1274 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:10 pm

Jalen Williams and Nikola Jovic are my top two prospects at 18.

SfBull · Post #1275 » by **SfBull** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:39 pm

The Bulls aren't drafting a starter at #18 so AK will have the flexibility going for a combo guard or wing or some player for upgrading our frontcourt.He can go BPA but I don't know who's that player.

Jvaughn · Post #1276 » by **Jvaughn** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:48 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:Okay BR just dropped their last mock before the draft, and Wasserman also has Branham dropping down to us too. Maybe I was wrong, and he's been slipping DeRozan would definitely help him with his development.

A lot of talk about players training with DDR, and DDR developing players. I am just not sure what a high volume mid-range shooter who is poor defensively is going to teach anyone in today's NBA. He had an unbelievable season and is the best at what he does offensively. The problem is what he does really doesn't translate unless you are absolutely elite. Like the best in the world elite.

DDR can certainly show them some moves to free up for 10-15' range jump shots. I am not sure that is really what we want the young guys focusing on.

Seeing how Branham's biggest skill is his midrange game, is be utterly surprised if he couldn't learn how to have en effective career from the king of the midrange.

Also as Dresden pointed out, he's a long time vet and multiple All-star selection which means he's one of the best to play the game. Just learning to be a pro is a huge plus for a young player.

Brothaman33 · Post #1277 » by **Brothaman33** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:18 pm

I'm curious about Jovic...

AK seems to look at ceiling first.

Muzbar · Post #1278 » by **Muzbar** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:37 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:I'm so late, but I love Dalen Terry. He's a damn winner!

I love Terry also, if we don't pick him he's gone at 20, such a Spurs pick.

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #1279 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:39 pm

I have a strange feeling they’re going to take Josh Minott.

kodo · Post #1280 » by **kodo** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:56 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:Okay BR just dropped their last mock before the draft, and Wasserman also has Branham dropping down to us too. Maybe I was wrong, and he's been slipping DeRozan would definitely help him with his development.

A lot of talk about players training with DDR, and DDR developing players. I am just not sure what a high volume mid-range shooter who is poor defensively is going to teach anyone in today's NBA. He had an unbelievable season and is the best at what he does offensively. The problem is what he does really doesn't translate unless you are absolutely elite. Like the best in the world elite.

DDR can certainly show them some moves to free up for 10-15' range jump shots. I am not sure that is really what we want the young guys focusing on.

Seeing how Branham's biggest skill is his midrange game, is be utterly surprised if he couldn't learn how to have en effective career from the king of the midrange.

Also as Dresden pointed out, he's a long time vet and multiple All-star selection which means he's one of the best to play the game. Just learning to be a pro is a huge plus for a young player.

Yeah plenty to learn, because Derozan is top 3 in the league in the most effective scoring play in the game. Not the 3 pointer, not a post up. The shooting foul. A 35% 3P shooter generates 1.05 points per shot. A shooting foul on Derozan is worth 1.75 points, overwhelmingly more efficient. Derozan is top 3 in the league in FTs along with Embiid & Giannis.

Derozan is also the 2nd best isolation player in the league, behind Trae and ahead of Tatum, Embiid, and Joker. His best play isn't getting free for an open 15 footer like Joe Harris. Derozan's best game is attacking his defender's chest, getting his defender off balance and up in the air, and making contact for 2 easy ones.

If Branham becomes as good as Derozan with physical play and drawing fouls, as good as Derozan inside the arc, and maintains his 41% 3P shooting on more volume, he's probably the best guard in the league.

If Bulls keep the pick, who should they select?